Yes, Increasing CO2 Causes a Warming Tendency in the Climate System… So What?

[Deluge]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. They have produced accurate results.  Compelling is a personal and subjective opinion.  I think you've described the criteria you're looking for, and to it's not practical.

2. That wasn't my point.

3. My point was your name-calling reveals a lack of arguments.

4. You're revisiting an old point.  You said something like you want to wait until disaster is imminent before we act.

5. Not relevant.

1. Man-made climate change models is what's not practical. The entire science community has been hijacked by left-wing nutjobs. 

2. Your point is that violent weather is man's fault. I'm not buying it. 

3. Your point is the Left's point, and we're not buying it. 

4. It's a valid point, and yes, I am MORE than willing to wait things out and see what happens.  

5. Neither is man-made climate change. I suggest you pick up a new hobby. 

Edited August 25, 2025 by Deluge

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Man-made climate change models is what's not practical. The entire science community has been hijacked by left-wing nutjobs. 

2. Your point is that violent weather is man's fault. I'm not buying it. 

3. Your point is the Left's point, and we're not buying it. 

4. It's a valid point, and yes, I am MORE than willing to wait things out and see what happens.  

5. Neither is man-made climate change. I suggest you pick up a new hobby. 

We know you're not buying it, but you're not longer posting why that is.

Maybe every time you feel like posting an insult or name-call post an actual reason?

[Legato]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

We know you're not buying it, but you're not longer posting why that is.

Maybe every time you feel like posting an insult or name-call post an actual reason?

Cmon Mike here's a fact....

A conservative wouldn't post any of the points you're trying to push.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Legato said:

Cmon Mike here's a fact....

A conservative wouldn't post any of the points you're trying to push.

Stephen Harper speech in Berlin 2007:

"In the interests of time, allow me to focus my remarks this afternoon on the fight against climate change, perhaps the biggest threat to confront the future of humanity today.

Canada may be a small contributor to global warming – our greenhouse gas emissions represent just 2% of the earth’s total – but we owe it to future generations to do whatever we can to address this world problem".

https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2007/06/prime-minister-stephen-harper-calls-international-consensus-climate-change.html

 

[Deluge]

49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

We know you're not buying it, but you're not longer posting why that is.

Maybe every time you feel like posting an insult or name-call post an actual reason?

Because the sun is shining, the temperature is normal, and I don't see evidence of impending doom anywhere - I've never seen it. 

The only time I truly got freaked out is when it snowed so much here that there was threat of roofs caving in. But that isn't due to man-made climate change, is it. Unless you're trying to tell me that the Earth is cooling, not warming. 

Edited August 25, 2025 by Deluge

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Because the sun is shining, the temperature is normal, and I don't see evidence of impending doom anywhere - I've never seen it. 

The only time I truly got freaked out is when it snowed so much here that there was threat of roofs caving in. But that isn't due to man-made climate change, is it. Unless you're trying to tell me that the Earth is cooling, not warming. 

Ok.  I understand your position.

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok.  I understand your position.

No you don't lol. 

Poor Mike - so desperate to get "the message" out but it's falling on dead ears....

[Deluge]

We must deindustrialize the whole planet or everyone dies. 

-- The Left

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No you don't lol. 

Poor Mike - so desperate to get "the message" out but it's falling on dead ears....

Nothing new here.

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Because the sun is shining, the temperature is normal, and I don't see evidence of impending doom anywhere - I've never seen it. 

The only time I truly got freaked out is when it snowed so much here that there was threat of roofs caving in. But that isn't due to man-made climate change, is it. Unless you're trying to tell me that the Earth is cooling, not warming. 

Greater extremes in weather is ONE OF THE EFFECTS of climate change.

Like the Polar Vortex Collapse shifting cold weather South

 

 

33:15

 

 

YouTube · Paul Beckwith

 

Arctic Stratospheric Polar Vortex Collapse Greatly Increased ...

YouTube · Paul Beckwith

6 days ago

The Arctic stratospheric polar vortex collapsed in March of 2024. It amplified the extreme South China precipitation the next month.

 

 

38:11

 

 

YouTube · Paul Beckwith

 

Stratospheric Polar Vortex Disruption and Ozone Depletion ...

YouTube · Paul Beckwith

6 days ago

In this video I want to talk about a surprising factor that is influencing the radiative balance on the planet and has great potential to influence the ozone layer.

 

 

28:39

 

 

YouTube · Climate Emergency Forum

 

Polar Vortex Collapse

YouTube · Climate Emergency Forum

May 4, 2025

We're going to be talking about polar vortex collapse what that means what the implications are and a little bit about the science behind that.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Stephen Harper speech in Berlin 2007:

"In the interests of time, allow me to focus my remarks this afternoon on the fight against climate change, perhaps the biggest threat to confront the future of humanity today.

Canada may be a small contributor to global warming – our greenhouse gas emissions represent just 2% of the earth’s total – but we owe it to future generations to do whatever we can to address this world problem".

https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2007/06/prime-minister-stephen-harper-calls-international-consensus-climate-change.html

 

Stephen Harper acknowledged climate change was a serious, real problem facing humanity but focused on a cautious, economically driven approach, prioritizing the fossil fuel industry and opposing regulations like carbon taxes. While he made pledges for emissions targets and cap-and-trade systems, his government also faced criticism for weakening environmental regulations and undercutting climate science research.

n summary, Harper's position was complex: he recognized climate change as a significant global challenge but placed the economy and national energy interests at the forefront, often clashing with stricter environmental policies and the scientific consensus on the urgency of climate action. 

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Legato said:

Stephen Harper acknowledged climate change was a serious, real problem facing humanity  ...

Well that goes well beyond what I'm trying to push.

So can we close off on this point?

[Legato]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well that goes well beyond what I'm trying to push.

So can we close off on this point?

Not even close with the selective quote but yes.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

Not even close with the selective quote but yes.

Otherwise if you can quote me on something that I say beyond what Harper said, I'd be glad to look at that and even retract if I misspoke. Cheers.