anglo saxon countries

[rogue state]

why do always anglosaxon countries complain about lack of workers(slaves)?

e.g Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US.

you never heard of Japan, Russia, Congo, Croatia, european countries,China asking for more slaves.

it seems like always a issue for them, lack of labour.

is because always they brought slaves, first from Africa to work for them ?

With all due respects,

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

english international student

[BHS]

why do always anglosaxon countries complain about lack of workers(slaves)?

e.g Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US.

you never heard of Japan, Russia, Congo, Croatia, european countries,China asking for more slaves.

it seems like always a issue for them, lack of labour.

is because always they brought slaves, first from Africa to work for them ?

With all due respects,

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

english international student

I get the feeling that your questions are rhetorical, but I'll jump in with a few points of my own.

1) Why do Saudi Arabia and Kuwait import cheap labour from the PA and Bangladesh? They way they treat their guest workers is a good deal closer to actual slavery than the "slavery" of living and earning a paycheck in the West.

2) Russia, Congo, and Croatia don't bring in foreign labour because no one in their right mind would choose to move to those countries, when they have the option of moving to the Anglo countries instead. Moving to Russia, Congo or Croatia means lower pay prospects and unsafe working conditions combined with ethnic tension and an unstable political environment.

3) European countries like Germany and France do have populations of foreign guest workers, from North Africa and Turkey. There's a lot of ethnic tension in Germany and France because of their refusal to integrate these populations into their own. You might want to look it up.

4) China doesn't need any more slaves. They have too many as it is.

5) The last of the genuine slaves imported to the Anglo countries were freed 140 years ago. If you're concerned about slavery you should expend your efforts righting the wrongs perpetrated in Africa, where slavery is still in practice. Right near Congo, actually.

6) The Anglo countries are always looking for more immigrants because they've been so successful at integrating the immigrants that have come over in the past, unlike the other countries you've mentioned. A third generation American of Lebanese descent is more or less indistinguishable in manner and dress from any other American his or her age. A third generation Frenchman of Lebanese descent is as likely as not to be less integrated than his grandparents were when they arrived. America = acceptance and prosperity. France = marginalization and unemployment.

[rogue state]

that's my point exactly.

european economy is highly technologized, and organized, they just don't need slaves, that's why they don't integrate them. they have robots, they give "guests workers" welfare.

they value innovation, and technology.

anglosaxon economies are based on human, resources and other countries exploitation.

without constant immigration, they stop functioning.

europeans work less for more output.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

[Argus]

why do always anglosaxon countries complain about lack of workers(slaves)?

e.g Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US.

you never heard of Japan, Russia, Congo, Croatia, european countries,China asking for more slaves.

it seems like always a issue for them, lack of labour.

Anglo saxon nations are rich and succesful. This has led to a highly educated workforce which is also largely accustomed to not doing unpleasant or low paid work. Strong social safety nets also allow people to take their time about getting a job, to pick and choose what they do and do not want to do.

Meanwhile, India still has debt bondage, and slaves are still being bought and sold in Northern Africa, by countries defended by the rest of the Muslim world. North Korea and China still have massive systems of labour camps where political oppoents and their families are worked to death.

[Rue]

why do always anglosaxon countries complain about lack of workers(slaves)?

e.g Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US.

you never heard of Japan, Russia, Congo, Croatia, european countries,China asking for more slaves.

it seems like always a issue for them, lack of labour.

is because always they brought slaves, first from Africa to work for them ?

With all due respects,

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

english international student

Your question is inherently racist. While I hesitate to guess what you mean by "slaves" I will guess by slaves you mean unskilled labour. So lets talk bluntly Mr. Ghalehnoii. In the Middle East, Saudia Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and many other Islamic nationsm cheap labour or unpaid labour is imported from the Philippines, Indonesia, Pakistan and Africa and other third world nations.

In fact Mr. Ghalehnoii, slavery is alive and well in the Middle East and poor black Africans are being abducted from Africa and shipped to the Middle East daily.

So? Do you want me to hate all Muslims and all Islamic nations because of these practices? Are you suggesting only countries with "Anglo-Saxons" import or use cheap unskilled labour?

As for China, do you really need an explanation why they do not have to complain about shortages of unskilled labour or slaves? Say now do you blame Anglo Saxons for how the Chinese treat their own citizens who are used as slave labour?

And no I am not Anglo Saxon.

[BHS]

that's my point exactly.

european economy is highly technologized, and organized, they just don't need slaves, that's why they don't integrate them. they have robots, they give "guests workers" welfare.

they value innovation, and technology.

anglosaxon economies are based on human, resources and other countries exploitation.

without constant immigration, they stop functioning.

europeans work less for more output.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

The Nazis were the acme of European technological and organisational achievement in the early to mid 20th century. They also enslaved huge numbers of people. Your argument suggesting that achievement in one sphere necessarily negates the need for the other holds no water.

Anglo countries are among the most technologically advanced on Earth. There's nothing done in Continental Europe that isn't done in the Anglosphere.

Your contention that Anglo economies would "stop functioning" without immigration goes completely against actual historical events. During the Second World War North American immigration grounded to a halt, and yet military spending and the integration of women into the workforce pulled the economy out of what had been it's worst period of depression up until that point. The economy actually improved without immigration. Find me one example where decreased immigration caused attributable economic problems.

(Note: Let me reiterate that I'm actually in favour of increased immigration.)

Your final contention, that the European economy(ies) is/are more efficient is hogwash. Please provide the GNP data or whatever other analysis you can find that proves otherwise.

[Leafless]

rouge state

You wrote- " why do anglosaxon countries about lack of workers (slaves.)"

Actually we are all slaves as (most of us) are bound to some absolute form of obedience to our employer in order to continue with the life style we choose.

Pertaining to the shortage of workers is not an accurate statement as perhaps the real problem is that there are to many companies that pay marginal wages or provide temporary or seasonal work that create the illusion there is a shortage of work.

In reality though many workers for one reason or another believe these marginal wages to be insufficient to provide the lifestyle they are seeking considering just plain low wages or tempoary or seasonal work that drastically reduces their yearly income.

Alberta for instance has many good paying jobs but everthing else is high resulting in basically the same problem.

[rogue state]

these didn't answer my question.

why doesn't germany, france, sweden,japan complain about lack of workers?

there are different economic laws there?

they don't have companies that wanna make profits?

sorry for being such a pest.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student

[rogue state]

Your final contention, that the European economy(ies) is/are more efficient is hogwash. Please provide the GNP data or whatever other analysis you can find that proves otherwise.

here you are:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...d=1148378738831

During the Second World War North American immigration grounded to a halt, and yet military spending and the integration of women into the workforce pulled the economy out of what had been it's worst period of depression up until that point. The economy actually improved without immigration. Find me one example where decreased immigration caused attributable economic problems.

you're talking ancient history.

i'm speaking about current time, and the future.

let see, if US fails to rob Irani oil, what will happen. i suspect that all Mexican labourers won't save them.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student

[BHS]

rogue state:

You're talking through your hat. The article you linked to as "evidence" that Europe has a more efficient economy is nothing but short snippets of opinion from ordinary people who haven't given any thought to what the ecomonic repercussions of their dream work conditions would actually entail. Not only does it not prove your point, it makes you look ridiculous. It's like answering a serious question about public policy by saying you're in favour of yogic flying and group hugs.

The main reason that Europe is crying out for foreign labour is that the key countries typically have double digit unemployment. There aren't enough jobs to go around for the people who are already there. In France high unemployment is driven by the fact that employers face a strong disincentive to new hiring. France recently attempted to reform it's labour laws in an attempt to reduce youth unemployment. Riots ensued and the government backed down. Not only did this episode not fix the problem, it made it worse. The rioters know that their tactic works.

Furthermore, WWII is not "ancient history". The events of WWII have a direct, linear connection to the state of affairs in Europe and the Middle East today. As I pointed out, the low immigration levels during the war are the only existing example of the circumstances you're talking about, and if anything they prove the opposite of what you're saying. Dismissing the events of a mere five decades ago as "ancient history" does nothing to strengthen your argument. It makes your argument look weaker.

[rogue state]

since WWII, the history is going really fast.

in ten years, population is growing with 20%.

technology is advancing at a very speedy pace.

these 50 years are nothing between 1300 and 1350, and an enormous gap between 1950 and 2000

appeared the internet, computers, nasty weapons, (H Bomb)

we are witnessing the rise of new powers (China, India, EU, possibly Iran). all with atomic weapons.

so, 1950 is very ancient history.

and europe is not cring out loud foreign workers, i was speaking about anglosaxon countries.

France and Germany don't accept immigrants.

Unemployment is not so relevant, not without method used to report it.

In canada, umemploment counts only people receiving EI, so the real unemployment is much larger.

my 2 c.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student and humanist.

[BHS]

since WWII, the history is going really fast.

in ten years, population is growing with 20%.

technology is advancing at a very speedy pace.

these 50 years are nothing between 1300 and 1350, and an enormous gap between 1950 and 2000

appeared the internet, computers, nasty weapons, (H Bomb)

we are witnessing the rise of new powers (China, India, EU, possibly Iran). all with atomic weapons.

so, 1950 is very ancient history.

Whatever. Two years after my father (who is still alive) was born is ancient history to you. Such is the weight of your opinion.

and europe is not cring out loud foreign workers, i was speaking about anglosaxon countries.

France and Germany don't accept immigrants.

Agreed. Never once disagreed. You're reiterating points that have already been established and discussed, too much really. Again, whatever.

Unemployment is not so relevant, not without method used to report it.

In canada, umemploment counts only people receiving EI, so the real unemployment is much larger.

my 2 c.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student and humanist.

Not to offend, but I'll take the Government of Canada's official statistics over your vague guesswork. Which I fail to see the point of anyway, as regards the rest of this thread.

[geoffrey]

Well actually, real unemployment is significantly higher than StatsCan would like you to believe.

Understand the situation, participation rate is a big factor. Less than half of Newfies even try to be in the labour force, compared to over 70% of Albertans.

Alberta has around 3% unemployment (an estimate in the paper last week showed Calgary below 1%) with said participation rate. That means that about 32% of able bodied Albertans between 15 and 65 don't work, for whatever cause, family, staying with the kids, staying with aging relatives, whatever.

In Newfoundland, with over 15% unemployment, we are seeing about 60-65% of able bodied Newfies choosing not to work.

Unemployment alone doesn't give a great picture unless you consider both participation rates and average income.

[Riverwind]

In Newfoundland, with over 15% unemployment, we are seeing about 60-65% of able bodied Newfies choosing not to work.

Your stats are completely wrong. The labour force participation rate for Newfoundland is 59.6%. The partipation rate for Alberta is 73.0%. Or a difference of 13%. The unemployment rate in Newfoundland is 16%. The unemployment rate in Alberta is %3 or a different of 13%! In other words, the difference in participation rate is explained entirely by the difference in unemployment rates.

[rogue state]

geoffrey.

it's "ancient history" in terms of technology, that would make the outcome of a war.

in this meantime, France and UK, acquired nuclear weapons, as a deterrent.

the world is totally different today.

you can laugh as much as you like, about France being cowards, but their bomb makes they laugh at you.

maybe I can paint it for you, if this doesn't help.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

[Charles Anthony]

"why do always anglosaxon countries complain about lack of slaves?"

I am profoundly curious about the ulterior motives of this thread....

The use of the word "slaves" is without question inflammatory and provocative. The underlying clueless nature of the premises are worse than my own arrogant musings and ignorant statements. This own smells very funny....

[rogue state]

anglo saxon are a incompetent, fiercely egotistic(see the dispute among provinces of canada), greedy people.

if they were self sufficient, and technologically advanced, they wouldn't need slaves.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student

[Charles Anthony]

I think I have figured it out....

What do you get when you take a cross between K-Pax, Data's twin brother Lore and a Microsoft operating system? .

[geoffrey]

anglo saxon are a incompetent, fiercely egotistic(see the dispute among provinces of canada), greedy people.

if they were self sufficient, and technologically advanced, they wouldn't need slaves.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

international english student

We have slaves? Since when? Maybe I want one... then again, I'm not anglosaxon, so maybe I don't get slaves?

[Charles Anthony]

I am willing to bet that we are hearing from a troll THAT NEVER STEPPED FOOT in the Western World, let alone Canada.

The moderator of the forum can track IP addresses (although, that is not always reliable when it comes to tracing origin). I would be very curious to know... The complete cluelessness is mind-bogglingly bizarre and it perplexes me....

I have come across thousands and thousands of foreigners (trust me, both of my parents are bizarre enough) in Canada and none have been so provocatively disdainful AND completely clueless at the same time. Even among the ones who have lived here for decades without learning French or English are not this clueless.

I am starting to wonder if some far-off country on the other end of the globe has finally got internet access....

I am starting to imagine somebody hiding out in a cave with their diall up connection trolling a discussion group pretending to be somebody else:

"Those stupid Canadistans! They will never catch me! Hah hah hah!"

[rogue state]

I am starting to wonder if some far-off country on the other end of the globe has finally got internet access....

I am starting to imagine somebody hiding out in a cave with their diall up connection trolling a discussion group pretending to be somebody else:

"Those stupid Canadistans! They will never catch me! Hah hah hah!"

ahh, how could i forget?

insufferrable arrogants, sadistic.

[Charles Anthony]

...maybe a place where poppies abound...?

Now we know what happens when we consume tooo much poppy seed extract!

[August1991]

geoffrey.

it's "ancient history" in terms of technology, that would make the outcome of a war.

in this meantime, France and UK, acquired nuclear weapons, as a deterrent.

the world is totally different today.

you can laugh as much as you like, about France being cowards, but their bomb makes they laugh at you.

maybe I can paint it for you, if this doesn't help.

Mahmoud Ghalehnoii

Mahmoud, it is true that the world has changed alot in the past 50 years. There have been technological and political changes. But the world didn't start in 1950 and one could argue that greater, swifter changes occurred before. For example, between 1870 and 1920 the changes were phenomenal.

Going back to your original post, Mahmoud, if I understand properly, you are surprised that majority Anglo-Saxon countries (such as Australia, Canada, USA, UK) accept immigrants but other countries do not.

Well, first, Canada, USA and Australia have historically encouraged immigration because they are geographically large countries with small populations. Most immigration occurs through family connections so old immigrants have family join them and this carries on, generation after generation.

But it is wrong to say that France and Germany, for example, don't have immigrants. There are many Turks working in Germany and North Africans in France. European immigration is often from former colonies.

Incidentally (as rue noted above), about half of the people living in Saudi Arabia are "immigrants" or rather temporary workers.

So, migration is common among many countries.

IMHO, immigrants come to North America for a better life and to be free. They do not become slaves for the other people here since they can enter politics here, vote in elections and get passports. Think of Arnold Schwarzenegger!

Immigrants usually succeed and in their success, they make all of us richer too. This is one reason the US and Canada have very successful economies. Indeed, the North America economy is wisely based not on one single commodity (such as oil) but rather on the talents of all the people here.

[theloniusfleabag]

I must disagree with one point above...

anglo saxon are a incompetent, fiercely egotistic(see the dispute among provinces of canada), greedy people.

if they were self sufficient, and technologically advanced, they wouldn't need slaves.

The 'anglo-saxons' are far from incompetent. I don't even know what I am, but they have, only on some individual levels, shown incompetence. Self-suffiency (though that is what is claimed to be nurtured by free enterprise)and the 'freeing of slaves' will only occur once those things are valued moreso by the majority than profit.

[rogue state]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5046170.stm

'Slaves auctioned' by traffickers "

"In a separate report, the Sunday Telegraph said children from China, Vietnam and Malaysia had been found working in sweatshops, restaurants, and cannabis factories in Britain.

African children, it said, were often put to work in domestic service, putting in long hours for minimal reward, if any.

And children from eastern Europe were said to be used to beg and steal. "

why don't you hear about germany or france? always england.it's a shame for europe.

their love for money it's horrible.