Iran - The New Nazi Germany ?

[scribblet]

Words escape me, separate dress codes for religious minorities.....

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...59-fa24f4c66ad4

A colour code for Iran's 'infidels'

Amir Taheri, National Post

Published: Friday, May 19, 2006

While the Iranian economy appears to be heading for recession, one sector may have some reason for optimism. That sector is the garment industry and the reason for hopefulness is a law passed by the Islamic Majlis (parliament) on Monday.

The law mandates the government to make sure that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions reflected in clothing, and to eliminate "the influence of the infidel" on the way Iranians, especially, the young dress. It also envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public. The new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean).

The new law, drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, had been blocked within the Majlis. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from Khatami's successor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The new law replaces the one passed in 1982 dealing with women's clothes. That law imposed the hijab and focused on the need to force women to cover their hair in public. The emphasis on the hijab was based on the belief that women's hair emanates an "evil ray" that drives men "into lustful irrationality" and thus causes harm to Islam. The new law cannot come into effect until consensus is reached on what constitutes "authentic Islamic attire."........

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Religious minorities would have their own colour schemes. They will also have to wear special insignia, known as zonnar, to indicate their non-Islamic faiths. Jews would be marked out with a yellow strip of cloth sewn in front of their clothes while Christians will be assigned the colour red. Zoroastrians end up with Persian blue as the colour of their zonnar. It is not clear what will happen to followers of other religions, including Hindus, Bahais and Buddhists, not to mention plain agnostics and atheists, whose very existence is denied by the Islamic Republic.

[Rue]

Its actually recycling an old practice done by Muslims in the Middle East for centuries. I believe in the past Christians had to wear blue and Jews yellow.

Interestingly there is no mention of colour for Bahais, probably because they have all been killed off.

Such a warm and cuddly country.

[Kiraly]

The new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean).[/b]

Yeah...

...that's why.

[rover1]

Bloody foreigners! And have you heard that palaver they claim as a language?

[geoffrey]

We need to take out that government ASAP. Everyday that they get closer to building nukes is a day that everyone's security decreases.

Very dangerous to have religious zealots wanting to build nukes.

[GostHacked]

Wait a few more days, this seems like utter bull to tell you the truth. Somehow something got lost in translation.

And we really need to stop Nazi references on both sides. Cheapens the stance on whoever is using it.

However if this is true, it is pretty crazy. The French may have that right by banning ALL religious wear in schools.

[GostHacked]

We need to take out that government ASAP. Everyday that they get closer to building nukes is a day that everyone's security decreases.

Very dangerous to have religious zealots wanting to build nukes.

As opposed from the religious zealots who already have and used nukes??

[Shady]

And we really need to stop Nazi references on both sides. Cheapens the stance on whoever is using it

Absolutely not. This is the only real instance in which a Nazi reference is completely legitimate. What we need to stop doing is stating that Hitler-like leaders are and I quote "This guy sounds more sane than 3/4s of the current world leaders". Imagine how ignorant one would have to be to think that way. I can't imagine.

[geoffrey]

We need to take out that government ASAP. Everyday that they get closer to building nukes is a day that everyone's security decreases.

Very dangerous to have religious zealots wanting to build nukes.

As opposed from the religious zealots who already have and used nukes??

Such as?? I don't think WWII USA could be considered religious zealots. It's nearly common sense that the atomic bombs in WWII saved more lives from a drawn out conflict then they cost.

Never the less, GWB has world presure and a lot to lose if he ever went into a religious barnstorming of the middle-east with nuclear weapons. Any western countries blocking US trade would most certainly cause a revolution back in the US, and no doubt the likes of France and Germany would instantly set embargoes.

That's the difference, democracy and wealth and power limit the power that a leader can wield. The most powerful leaders are those of poor nations, such as Iran, where the population relies on the leader for their survival. In the US, GWB relies on the populations content with him for his survival.

Big difference, democracy and wealth has a regulating effect on the ability of a leader to execute irrational foreign policy.

[rover1]

We need to take out that government ASAP. Everyday that they get closer to building nukes is a day that everyone's security decreases.

Very dangerous to have religious zealots wanting to build nukes.

As opposed from the religious zealots who already have and used nukes??

Such as?? I don't think WWII USA could be considered religious zealots. It's nearly common sense that the atomic bombs in WWII saved more lives from a drawn out conflict then they cost.

Never the less, GWB has world presure and a lot to lose if he ever went into a religious barnstorming of the middle-east with nuclear weapons. Any western countries blocking US trade would most certainly cause a revolution back in the US, and no doubt the likes of France and Germany would instantly set embargoes.

That's the difference, democracy and wealth and power limit the power that a leader can wield. The most powerful leaders are those of poor nations, such as Iran, where the population relies on the leader for their survival. In the US, GWB relies on the populations content with him for his survival.

Big difference, democracy and wealth has a regulating effect on the ability of a leader to execute irrational foreign policy.

I'm not all that certain that democracy and wealth have a sufficient regulating effect to make a difference. It seems to me, that people like, say, President Bush, merely have to tell a good story, to do more or less what ever they wish. They do have to account for themselves, after the fact, but unless they are really stupid, they can do as they wish.

[gerryhatrick]

Words escape me, separate dress codes for religious minorities.....

You've been had:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=5787

In all honesty, when I saw the National Post front page yesterday I thought to myself "no f'n way...this cannot be true". Guess my instinct was correct.

You and Stephen Harper think alike btw! He invoked images of Nazi Germany also. Classy.

Advice to both of you for next time:

Wait for a more credible news source to corroberate any exclusive stories from the National Post/Disgrace.

[scribblet]

Words escape me, separate dress codes for religious minorities.....

You've been had:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=5787

In all honesty, when I saw the National Post front page yesterday I thought to myself "no f'n way...this cannot be true". Guess my instinct was correct.

You and Stephen Harper think alike btw! He invoked images of Nazi Germany also. Classy.

Advice to both of you for next time:

Wait for a more credible news source to corroberate any exclusive stories from the National Post/Disgrace.

The NP is as credible as any other source, and obviously the Weisenthall centre believed it.

[gerryhatrick]

The NP is as credible as any other source, and obviously the Weisenthall centre believed it.

Not anymore they're not.

As for the Weisenthall centre, they have no business confirming or denying reports about laws passed in the Iranian parliament and a credible news organization would not hold them and un-named expatriots up as sources for such a stunning claim. The Weisenthall centre is not an authority on Iran.

The National Post has egg all over its face and it's credibility is in the gutter.

[scribblet]

The NP is as credible as any other source, and obviously the Weisenthall centre believed it.

Not anymore they're not.

As for the Weisenthall centre, they have no business confirming or denying reports about laws passed in the Iranian parliament and a credible news organization would not hold them and un-named expatriots up as sources for such a stunning claim. The Weisenthall centre is not an authority on Iran.

The National Post has egg all over its face and it's credibility is in the gutter.

The Weisenthall Centre has as much business confirming or denying reports etc. than any other outfit, or newspaper.

I agree that the NP should make some comment or retraction, I would like to hear what they have to say.

I'm not into conspiracy theories, but there is something odd about the whole thing, WC and expats. believed it to be so. Is it possible that this was put out to the media deliberately, as in, if they cry wolf too often, when it really happens they won't believe it. The Iranian leader is a madman, but he's crazy like a fox, who knows what he is really up to.

[Shady]

This guy sounds more sane than 3/4s of the current world leaders

This is an actual quote from GostHacked referring to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I know what you're thinking. No, I didn't make it up.

Link

[Riverwind]

This guy sounds more sane than 3/4s of the current world leaders

This is an actual quote from GostHacked referring to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I know what you're thinking. No, I didn't make it up.

Link

You seem to think that statement is so ridiculous that no reasonable person would make it. I suspect that is because the 'axis of evil' propaganda from Bush has sunk so deeply into your psyche that you are no longer capable of looking at the facts objectively when it comes to things related to Iran. I suspect that is what happened at the NP too when they ran the story.

I don't believe that the Iran president is any more looney than the current leadership of China. More over, he is doing nothing more than any red blooded american would do when faced with a hostile world. Most of his ranting are nationalist clap trap intended for domestic polictical consumption. I am not even certain is rantings about Isreal have been translated properly.

[gerryhatrick]

The point here now is not who on this forum has said what about the Iranian Prez.

The point is that the National Post story was FALSE.

It created an international furor, even had PM Harper calling them "capable" of the move and likening them to Nazis.

It's a f#$king embarrassment, and it sounds in the international media as if the National Post was somehow connected to the government of Canada. Not surprising since the domain name is "canada.com".

Reuters calls it "Canada's National Post" and refers to the story as the "Canadian report".

They need to retract, apologize, AND dissavow any connection to Canada.

Sloppy journalism and sloppy editing. All the available sources they could have easily called up for confirmation and didn't. It's inexcusable.

[GostHacked]

Wow,I was right for a change. That story turned out to be false after all? And people call me an over-reactionist.

And I did say he sounded more sane than many leaders out there. Speech writers can do that for you. I will stand by that, and the false story just strengthens my belief in that statement.

[theloniusfleabag]

The story isn't actually false, for it is based on conjecture. The word 'envisioned' was used, an accusation that cannot be proven true or untre.

A similar example is William Casey, (former Reagan campaign Chief, then head of the CIA) coaching Oliver North on how to give testimony...

"To the best of my recollection, ...[i never did anything illegal]"." Absolutely unprovable, one way or the other, by any court.

[gerryhatrick]

The story isn't actually false, for it is based on conjecture. The word 'envisioned' was used, an accusation that cannot be proven true or untre.

The story said that the law "envisages" these color codes for Jews. That can certainly be proven false, and it has been.

Here, go look at this picture:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7839/80...westgobbles.gif

Can you make out where it says "Law would require non-Muslim insignia".

There is no such law. Ergo, the story is false.

Why would you try and play some strange word game to support a false story? Do you have some personal interest in seeing Iran accused of this thing?

[Machinations]

The problem with this news story is that noone can confirm it. It appears to have been made up by Iranian dissidents who want the United States to go in and depose the current Iranian government, presumably so they can take over.

Here's a link: http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/0...ges-story-true/

When people make broad inflammatory statements like these, its best to check the veracity of the claim. Its interesting to note most younger Iranians are (mostly) very pro-US and pro-West. The reason they passed an Islamic dress code (applying only to Muslims, bad enough sure but far less odious than a mark for each religion) is that the young people are dressing increasingly 'American' (jeans, sneakers, tshirts) This apparently is freaking all the hardcore clerics out, thus, they pass a law forcing people to dress 'conservatively'.

Interesting though, how the press picked up the story, didnt check the claim, and ran with it. What a sleazy bunch of sensationalists.

[geoffrey]

The Iranians did pass a law instituting an Islamic dress code though, with a 'uniform' of sorts for Islamic followers. It would be easy to tell the Christians and Jews from this.

The original story may be false in the idea that Jews would be wearing yellow stars or what not, but the idea that Iran wants to be able to identify 'holy' muslims and 'unholy' Christians/Jews on a national level is completely true.

Iran is a major human rights abuser, I'd sure hate to be a woman over there. No freedom to even dress how you wish, let alone freedom from abusive situations. These people need our help.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4929504.stm

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/...d00abd4ac4.html

[KrustyKidd]

Thanks for the links Geoffrey but I'll wait for the Post to run it so I'll know it's true.

[Machinations]

Iran is a major human rights abuser, I'd sure hate to be a woman over there. No freedom to even dress how you wish, let alone freedom from abusive situations. These people need our help.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4929504.stm

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/...d00abd4ac4.html

The same way we 'helped' Iraq?

[KrustyKidd]

The same way we 'helped' Iraq?

No. Simply by not empowering their government to pretend they are a first world power to their people. If they wish to be competitive on the world stage with all the perks and push, they have to allow their people to have power as well rather than treat them as morons. The Iranian people already know this and are placing tremndous pressure on the ruling council hence, the big stab at the dress code and such to show them all how they have wandeered from the true path of Islam.

Nothing wrong with the council though, they equals big time hip. Nothing like threatening the guys you trade with either (Israel) even after they saved your ass a decade before. Better to get in line with Islamic thinking to show them all how you really are an Islamic thinking governmnet before the masses figure out that you are just medieval minded morons trying to keep some sort of relevence in an ever modernizing world.

A spade is a spade and the people of Iran know their government is a sham. To cave into demands of any kind legitimizes that government's propaganda and stalls changes that are inevitable.

Hope that helps.