PM Carney says there should be a two-state solution, which clearly contradicts the Bible

[User]

8 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I won't wate my time to answer agents of the cia or what ever

And yet here you are...

8 hours ago, Gaétan said:

What they have heard comes from the devil, he was taking of jews not only the people there, what they heard was what was taught to the jews not only the people there.

Yeah, you keep asserting this, but that is not what the verse says. That is not in alignment with the rest of the scriptures or the entire context of Jesus prophecy and His fulfillment of that 

 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, User said:

Taking a photo of someone kneeling and praying in front of a statue of Mary is not them "worshipping" Mary.

"3  Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 

4  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "  Exodus 20:4, 5  KJV

People kneeling and praying in front of a statue of Mary are doing exactly what these verses in the Old Testament, ten commandments forbid. 

Edited Thursday at 03:57 PM by blackbird

[User]

45 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"3  Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 

They don't have Mary as a god...

46 minutes ago, blackbird said:

People kneeling and praying in front of a statue of Mary are doing exactly what these verses in the Old Testament, ten commandments forbid. 

Once again, this is the dumbest lie uninformed people say to attack Catholics. They are not worshipping Mary as a god. So, they are not doing anything forbidden here. 

 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, User said:

They don't have Mary as a god...

Once again, this is the dumbest lie uninformed people say to attack Catholics. They are not worshipping Mary as a god. So, they are not doing anything forbidden here. 

 

You denied you were a Catholic, but why would anyone believe you?    How much time do you spend kneeling before a statue of Mary? 

[CDN1]

A lot of those protesting on Canadian streets and University campuses support the murder of the Jewish couple in Washington D.C. yesterday, will continue to justify more violence. Many of them were for Luigi, as well.

Carney and the Liberals have totally cucked to the mob and the blood is on their hands when it happens here.

Edited Thursday at 09:56 PM by CDN1

[User]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You denied you were a Catholic, but why would anyone believe you?    How much time do you spend kneeling before a statue of Mary? 

I don't care if you believe I am a Catholic or not, it is irrelevant to the discussion. You asked me, I told you. 

You can find pictures of Christians kneeling with each other, in front of things, at a flag pole on the National Day of prayer... it doesn't mean they are worshipping the flag. It doesn't mean Christians must make sure they never kneel ever facing anything ever... because the moment they do, they are worshipping whatever might be in their general direction. 

Your arguments are juvenile. 

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, User said:

I don't care if you believe I am a Catholic or not, it is irrelevant to the discussion. You asked me, I told you. 

You can find pictures of Christians kneeling with each other, in front of things, at a flag pole on the National Day of prayer... it doesn't mean they are worshipping the flag. It doesn't mean Christians must make sure they never kneel ever facing anything ever... because the moment they do, they are worshipping whatever might be in their general direction. 

Your arguments are juvenile. 

No, not true.   When they kneel in front of Mary, they are likely saying the Hail Mary.  Do a search and read the prayer.  They are worshiping Mary.  The prayer is addressed to Mary.  "They start each stanza holding a bead and saying "Hail Mary full of grace".  That is worship.

[User]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, not true.   When they kneel in front of Mary, they are likely saying the Hail Mary.  Do a search and read the prayer.  They are worshiping Mary.  The prayer is addressed to Mary.  "They start each stanza holding a bead and saying "Hail Mary full of grace".  That is worship.

Again, that is not worship. Hail is a term of public praise.

Again, your arguments are juvenile. 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, User said:

Again, that is not worship. Hail is a term of public praise.

Again, your arguments are juvenile. 

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Do Catholics worship idols / practice idolatry?

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Sadly, our Catholic friends and family members have been indoctrinated to believe that the use of statues, relics, and other articles is acceptable and even necessary for worship. They have been taught by the Roman Catholic Church that the images and icons used in the church are not actually “worshiped” but are simply “visual aids” to worship.

The Catholic Church long ago began making allowances for the idolatrous use of images by the way they reference the Ten Commandments. In the Catholic catechism and in most official Catholic documents, the first and second commandments are combined and then summarized with “I am the Lord your God. You shall not have other gods beside Me.” Suspiciously absent is what comprises the second commandment in the Protestant numbering of the Ten Commandments: “You shall not make any graven images.”

While it is understandable for “you shall not make any graven images” to be considered an aspect of “you shall not have other gods beside me,” based on the history of idolatry involving graven images throughout biblical and extra-biblical history, it seems unwise to not include “you shall not make any graven images” in every listing of the Ten Commandments. The omission seems especially suspicious in light of the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has long been accused of the idolatrous use of graven images.

There are good reasons for not using images in worship. First of all, the use of physical images to “aid” worship violates the command to worship God “in spirit and in truth” (John 4:23-24). Also, no one knows what God looks like, and John 1:18 is clear concerning this truth: “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” And, because God is Spirit (John 4:24a), it is irreverent to delineate Him as an iconic representation. No one alive knows what Jesus Christ looked like in the flesh, and, since there were no cameras when He walked the earth, the only description of His appearance is found in Isaiah 53:2-3, which says that He had “no stately form or majesty.”

The lack of a physical description of Christ has not stopped the Catholic Church from depicting Him. Throughout Catholic churches, institutions, convents, monasteries, and every other Catholic-affiliated building and shrine, there are paintings of God the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Mary, Joseph, and a myriad of canonized saints. There are statues in abundance; there are relics, such as bone fragments, said to have belonged to certain saints. Some shrines even contain pieces of wood purported to be part of Jesus’ cross. All of these things are held to be sacred objects worthy of high regard. The idolatry is rampant and fairly obvious to non-Catholics, yet Catholics do not believe they are committing idolatry. They have been cleverly taught to believe that they do not worship these idols; they simply “venerate” them. The problem is that “veneration” still gives honor and reverence to something and/or someone other than God; therefore, veneration is idolatry.

Yes, Catholics do practice a form of idolatry, in violation of God’s command. The best way to reach our Catholic friends with the gospel of grace is to pray that the Holy Spirit will draw them and that they will respond to the Spirit’s leading. Their eyes and hearts are blinded by the false teaching they are continually hearing, and, until they begin to seek the truth, we must leave it in God’s capable hands. As we pray, we must keep loving them and trust that God will prepare the soil of their hearts (Luke 8:11-15). Never give up hope; the Holy Spirit does miracles every day.    unquote

Do Catholics worship idols / practice idolatry? | GotQuestions.org

[User]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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I can copy paste spam too!

When Protestants Claim that Catholics Worship Mary

https://www.catholic.com/video/when-protestants-claim-that-catholics-worship-mary

"But our entrustment to Mary is not an entrustment of our lives to her as if she is the source of all blessing and goodness, rather is an entrustment to her as our spiritual mother through whom God wills to give us the blessings and the goodness that he wants to give us in our lives. And so that would be sort of an approach to how we begin to see our consecration to Mary as not involving idolatry or not involving worship, and thereby it being idolatry, but rather it being a legitimate form of honor that can be given to her as our queen mother, as our spiritual mother within the kingdom of Jesus. "

 

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, User said:

I can copy paste spam too!

When Protestants Claim that Catholics Worship Mary

https://www.catholic.com/video/when-protestants-claim-that-catholics-worship-mary

"But our entrustment to Mary is not an entrustment of our lives to her as if she is the source of all blessing and goodness, rather is an entrustment to her as our spiritual mother through whom God wills to give us the blessings and the goodness that he wants to give us in our lives. And so that would be sort of an approach to how we begin to see our consecration to Mary as not involving idolatry or not involving worship, and thereby it being idolatry, but rather it being a legitimate form of honor that can be given to her as our queen mother, as our spiritual mother within the kingdom of Jesus. "

 

Sure.  You pasted a Catholic article.   LOL. Means nothing.  There are countless Catholic websites that defend Mariolatry.

Simple fact is Romanism does not follow the Bible.   I posted a long list of Catholic practices and beliefs they invented in the last 1,700 years that are not supported by the Bible.

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Sure.  You pasted a Catholic article.   LOL. Means nothing.  There are countless Catholic websites that defend Mariolatry.

Simple fact is Romanism does not follow the Bible.   I posted a long list of Catholic practices and beliefs they invented in the last 1,700 years that are not supported by the Bible.

Well, since we are talking about what Catholics believe, it seems relevant to cite their beliefs.

 

 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, User said:

"But our entrustment to Mary is not an entrustment of our lives to her as if she is the source of all blessing and goodness, rather is an entrustment to her as our spiritual mother through whom God wills to give us the blessings and the goodness that he wants to give us in our lives.

"5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6  Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. "  1 Timothy 2:5   KJV

"6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."  John 14:6 KJV

Those who put their trust in Mary are putting their trust in a false hope.  Only God through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, can save a person.  None other.

[User]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Those who put their trust in Mary are putting their trust in a false hope.  Only God through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, can save a person.  None other.

Trust... how?

They do not put their "trust" in Mary as their savior. Catholics worship God and believe Jesus is their Savior. 

 

"I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. "

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19880701_professio-fidei_en.html

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, User said:

They do not put their "trust" in Mary as their savior. Catholics worship God and believe Jesus is their Savior. 

Not really.  They put their trust in Mary, the church, the Pope, the sacraments and they are taught that Jesus is in a piece of bread through their doctrine of the Mass and transubstantiation.  They also worship the host.  How can they believe that Jesus made a complete atonement for their sins if they are taught they must atone for their own sins through the sacraments, good works, the Mass, and purgatory?  They are taught they must believe all these things.  It is an unbiblical, false system.

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[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

Not really.  They put their trust in Mary, the church, the Pope, the sacraments and they are taught that Jesus is in a piece of bread through their doctrine of the Mass and transubstantiation.  They also worship the host.  How can they believe the Jesus made a complete atonement for their sins if they are taught they must atone for their own sins through the sacraments, good works, the Mass, and purgatory?  It is an unbiblical, false system.

Yes, really. I just gave you their statement of faith. 

So far, all you have are juvenile baseless assertions, and you ignore what Catholics actually do and say.

So what if they believe the Eucharist is literally the body and blood of Christ? 

These are doctrinal issues that have no real weight on salvation or are of any real significance to declare someone is not really a Christian. 

Jesus's sacrifice doesn't mean we can just sin and not care anymore. Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life. 

The fact that Catholics have a more formal process and rituals to help people with seeking forgiveness and repentance doesn't mean they are not Christian. 

 

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, User said:

Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life. 

So you believe all that is necessary for salvation.  How do you know when you have done enough to be saved?   

[Gaétan]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you believe all that is necessary for salvation.  How do you know when you have done enough to be saved?   

Jesus taught that you must love your neighbour as yourself or repent of your sins for salvation

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus taught that you must love your neighbour as yourself or repent of your sins for salvation

So have you loved your neighbour enough or repented of your sins enough for salvation?  Can you honestly say you have done enough to be saved?

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So you believe all that is necessary for salvation.  How do you know when you have done enough to be saved?   

This is a loaded question. There is no "enough" to be saved. Jesus was enough. It is not earned, but a gift. However, just because someone drops a gift off on your doorstep doesn't mean you take it or unwrap it, or use it. 

 

 

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So have you loved your neighbour enough or repented of your sins enough for salvation?  Can you honestly say you have done enough to be saved?

It doesn't say to love your neighbour but love your neighbour as yourself.

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It doesn't say to love your neighbour but love your neighbour as yourself.

You didn't answer the question.   When have you done enough or loved your neighbour enough to go to heaven?

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, User said:

This is a loaded question. There is no "enough" to be saved. Jesus was enough. It is not earned, but a gift. However, just because someone drops a gift off on your doorstep doesn't mean you take it or unwrap it, or use it. 

 

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You still didn't answer the question.  You are the one who said "Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life."    How do you know when you have repented enough, seek forgiveness enough and striven enough to live a sin-free live"?    How do you know when you have done enough? 

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You still didn't answer the question.  You are the one who said "Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life."    How do you know when you have repented enough, seek forgiveness enough and striven enough to live a sin-free live"?    How do you know when you have done enough? 

OK, so you think Christians should go around whoring, drinkingto drunkeness, killing, and doing whatever they want with no remorse and no care and not give a shit about anything Jesus commanded of them?

 

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[blackbird]

Just now, User said:

OK, so you think Christians should go around whoring, drinkingto drunkeness, killing, and doing whatever they want with no remorse and no care and not give a shit about anything Jesus commanded of them?

 

Where did I say that?   You still didn't answer the question?