Harper sells out Canada for his own political life?

[Shakeyhands]

U-N-E-S-C-O

Its a slippery sloppe Mr Harper has us headed down.... My money says this comes back and bites him right on the ass. And I hope it does. How sad. All of you should be absolutely outraged. Lets see the reaction.

[Nocrap]

U-N-E-S-C-O

Its a slippery sloppe Mr Harper has us headed down.... My money says this comes back and bites him right on the ass. And I hope it does. How sad. All of you should be absolutely outraged. Lets see the reaction.

I assume you are referring to Harper's promise to Quebec tht they would get a voice at the Unitied Nations. Actually, though he has taken the credit, the promise to try to obtain an associate membership for Quebec has been kicking around for sometime.

Paul Martin suggested the same thing: Link

And Stephen Harper made it a campaign promise: Link

However, neither Paul Martin nor Stephen Harper really have the authority to do this. All they can do is make the proposal to UNESCO, and it is put up to a vote.

Just posturing on both the Liberals and CPC to get Quebec on their side.

[Kiraly]

U-N-E-S-C-O

Its a slippery sloppe Mr Harper has us headed down.... My money says this comes back and bites him right on the ass.

I think you would lose your money.

And I hope it does. How sad. All of you should be absolutely outraged.

We should all over react? Why?

Lets see the reaction.

Hears crickets chirping.

[Shakeyhands]

I'd have benn just as outraged if Martin had pulled this. Its a slippery, slippery slope. It may seem like a trivial thing, but its really not. It puts Quebec on the same footing as other french speaking Independant countries.... Key word being Independant.

[seabee]

It puts Quebec on the same footing as other french speaking Independant countries.... Key word being Independant.

The impllication is that Québec must be kept dependant, and then blamed for being dependant.

But it could also mean the Québec must be kept in a state of submission.

[Guest Warwick Green]

Harper knows to get a majority in the HofC he needs more seats in either Quebec or Ontario. And right now Charest is prepared to help him in this goal a lot more than McGuinty is -- who is still complaining about day care centres, now yesterday's issue.

[Hicksey]

U-N-E-S-C-O

Its a slippery sloppe Mr Harper has us headed down.... My money says this comes back and bites him right on the ass. And I hope it does. How sad. All of you should be absolutely outraged. Lets see the reaction.

I assume you are referring to Harper's promise to Quebec tht they would get a voice at the Unitied Nations. Actually, though he has taken the credit, the promise to try to obtain an associate membership for Quebec has been kicking around for sometime.

Paul Martin suggested the same thing: Link

And Stephen Harper made it a campaign promise: Link

However, neither Paul Martin nor Stephen Harper really have the authority to do this. All they can do is make the proposal to UNESCO, and it is put up to a vote.

Just posturing on both the Liberals and CPC to get Quebec on their side.

At least Harper's not stealing the money allocated to buy their support.

[geoffrey]

Let Quebec go if they want to go. They'll never fit in with Canada, might as well go where they can be happier.

Moving to more of a trading federation of just independant states would be best for 80% of Canadians, but no one wants to go there. We can share defense and things like that, easy. We can even be called Canada. But this ridiculous idea that such conflicting interests and cultures and desires can co-operate is almost ridiculous under our current system of government.

UNESCO for Quebec was a great idea. One more step towards more provincial independance.

[betsy]

U-N-E-S-C-O

Its a slippery sloppe Mr Harper has us headed down.... My money says this comes back and bites him right on the ass. And I hope it does. How sad. All of you should be absolutely outraged. Lets see the reaction.

Dion just said today on MDuffy that Unesco deal is just fine. Nothing wrong with it.

[geoffrey]

Dion is very much in favour of more Quebec independance, but not soverignty. I used a paper of his as a source for one I wrote last semester, the guy nearly sounds like a Blocist at times.

EDIT: Here is a long link to that publication from PS: Political Sciences and Politics. I think you need to have access to jstor (most of you students should, check through your library, best resource for poli sci stuff) to read the whole thing but you can read page 1 if not I think.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1049-0965...B2-6&size=LARGE

[shoop]

Sure you would have Shakey.

Does anybody here really know what UNESCO does? Or care?

It was a campaign promise and Harper is fulfilling it. Enough said.

I'd have benn just as outraged if Martin had pulled this. Its a slippery, slippery slope. It may seem like a trivial thing, but its really not. It puts Quebec on the same footing as other french speaking Independant countries.... Key word being Independant.

[Shakeyhands]

Sure you would have Shakey.

Does anybody here really know what UNESCO does? Or care?

It was a campaign promise and Harper is fulfilling it. Enough said.

I'd have benn just as outraged if Martin had pulled this. Its a slippery, slippery slope. It may seem like a trivial thing, but its really not. It puts Quebec on the same footing as other french speaking Independant countries.... Key word being Independant.

Shoop.. I would have. There is absolutely no need for Quebec to have representation outside of the CANADIAN involvment with UNESCO, Quebec is uniqely Canadian, but they should not have representation as a seperate entity at any UN branch, I'm telling you, its the beginning of something very wrong.

[cybercoma]

At least Harper's not stealing the money allocated to buy their support.

OH SNAP!

[shoop]

OK, since you are "telling" us this is the beginning of something very wrong. Exactly what is that slippery slope the Government is headed down with giving Quebec some inovolvement at UNESCO.

Again, not a big issue, and your Harper hatred is quite draining...

Shoop.. I would have. There is absolutely no need for Quebec to have representation outside of the CANADIAN involvment with UNESCO, Quebec is uniqely Canadian, but they should not have representation as a seperate entity at any UN branch, I'm telling you, its the beginning of something very wrong.

[Hicksey]

I like the idea. I think that Quebec, Ontario, The West, and the Maritimes should all have a voice in the decision making process on that level as long as they have to live with the consequences of it.

OK, since you are "telling" us this is the beginning of something very wrong. Exactly what is that slippery slope the Government is headed down with giving Quebec some inovolvement at UNESCO.

Again, not a big issue, and your Harper hatred is quite draining...

Shoop.. I would have. There is absolutely no need for Quebec to have representation outside of the CANADIAN involvment with UNESCO, Quebec is uniqely Canadian, but they should not have representation as a seperate entity at any UN branch, I'm telling you, its the beginning of something very wrong.

[normanchateau]

It was a campaign promise and Harper is fulfilling it. Enough said.

Yes, he's good at honouring campaign promises.

For example, take his promise not to appoint senators. He not only appointed a Quebec party hack who had run his election campaign for leadership of the Alliance Party, but also put the hack in Cabinet. A party insider from Quebec, unelected, unaccountable to the House of Commons or the voters, controlling public funds from the privacy of the Senate chamber. Not only that, but Fortier's Cabinet portfolio was at the centre of the Gomery inquiry.

Quebec snouts are at the trough again but it's now a Conservative trough. No wonder Brian Mulroney worked so hard on Harper's behalf. Mulroney's vindicated.

[shoop]

So I guess you see how ridiculous your OP about UNESCO is. What else could explain your completely changing the subject?

What exactly do you think should happen with the Senate Normie?

Harper should be responsible for what Liberals did with in the Ministry of Public Works?

Wow, guess there is no pleasing you.

Here's a hint Normie. Harper will never take responsibility for Liberal corruption. But he will change the rules to make sure that corruption doesn't take place in his Government. For you, that won't be enough. But that's OK. We can all live with that.

Yes, he's good at honouring campaign promises.

Not only that, but Fortier's Cabinet portfolio was at the centre of the Gomery inquiry.

Quebec snouts are at the trough again but it's now a Conservative trough. No wonder Brian Mulroney worked so hard on Harper's behalf. Mulroney's vindicated.

[normanchateau]

What else could explain your completely changing the subject?

The topic changed when you said that Harper fulfills his campaign promises. Harper picks and chooses which campaign promises he'll honour and which he'll ignore.

[shoop]

Show me where he made this *mythical* promise to which you refer....

The topic changed when you said that Harper fulfills his campaign promises. Harper picks and chooses which campaign promises he'll honour and which he'll ignore.

[normanchateau]

Show me where he made this *mythical* promise to which you refer....

The topic changed when you said that Harper fulfills his campaign promises. Harper picks and chooses which campaign promises he'll honour and which he'll ignore.

This campaign promise has certainly proven to be a "myth", not to mention a broken promise. Here's a link to what Harper promised:

http://www.gowlings.com/resources/enewslet...060113c.en.html

There are many more links on Google to this broken promise if you decide to search further.

[shoop]

So we are all agreed that the UNESCO thing wasn't *selling out* Canada?

Please refrain from highjacking threads when you are posting the exact same information on other threads Normie.

[normanchateau]

So we are all agreed that the UNESCO thing wasn't *selling out* Canada?

It's called pandering to Quebec. Worked for Mulroney...for a while. It will work for Harper...for a while.

[scribblet]

So we are all agreed that the UNESCO thing wasn't *selling out* Canada?

Please refrain from highjacking threads when you are posting the exact same information on other threads Normie.

Of course it wasn't, and these things do seem to be a more unifying force, if it saves us from another separation vote, good for Harper.

Harper saysQuebec's participation in the Canadian delegation at UNESCO is not a step toward a new round of constitutional talks nor is it recognition of Quebec as a nation in any form. And don't forget he also told Quebec rhat the UNESCO deal applies only if Quebec is willing to work within the federation, nor does he exclude the possibility of allowing other provinces a voice in other international forums.

Charest also said that this agreement is as much about provinces playing a more important role in the federation as it is about Quebec gaining a voice at UNESCO. Not to mention that. Harper also added that Alberta could have a similar status to Quebec in UNESCO within the International Energy Agency

[normanchateau]

Harper saysQuebec's participation in the Canadian delegation at UNESCO is not a step toward a new round of constitutional talks nor is it recognition of Quebec as a nation in any form. And don't forget he also told Quebec rhat the UNESCO deal applies only if Quebec is willing to work within the federation, nor does he exclude the possibility of allowing other provinces a voice in other international forums.

Sounds like the American states rights' approach of the George Wallace era. But I suppose it's important that Prince Edward Island be given more power.

[scribblet]

Don't know about PEI, but why not, as Harper said, all provinces could have a say.