robosmith Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 Trump finally shows his cards — he's siding with Russia The Hill https://thehill.com › opinion › white-house › 5155121-t... 16 hours ago — Then-President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin walk to participate in a group photo at the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, June 28, 2019. Missing: FASCIST | Show results with: FASCIST Trump's Pivot Toward Putin's Russia Upends Generations ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics 3 days ago — “Supporting the AfD, who the German leaders consider a neo-Nazi party, makes Trump look like an adversary to Europe's largest economy. It's ... Trump echoes Russia as he upends US position on Ukraine BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › articles 2 days ago — Former top Trump adviser Steve Bannon denies making Nazi salute at CPAC and says Jordan Bardella is "unworthy to lead France". Just now. US & ... Missing: abandoning side PROVES Trump's senseless capitulation to Putin is a betrayal of ... European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) https://ecfr.eu › ECFR Council 8 days ago — ... taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine.” Imagine if in 1941, instead of entering the war against Nazi Germany on the side of Britain ... Quote
Scott75 Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, robosmith said: Trump finally shows his cards — he's siding with Russia The Hill https://thehill.com › opinion › white-house › 5155121-t... 16 hours ago — Then-President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin walk to participate in a group photo at the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, June 28, 2019. Missing: FASCIST | Show results with: FASCIST Trump's Pivot Toward Putin's Russia Upends Generations ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics 3 days ago — “Supporting the AfD, who the German leaders consider a neo-Nazi party, makes Trump look like an adversary to Europe's largest economy. It's ... Trump echoes Russia as he upends US position on Ukraine BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › articles 2 days ago — Former top Trump adviser Steve Bannon denies making Nazi salute at CPAC and says Jordan Bardella is "unworthy to lead France". Just now. US & ... Missing: abandoning side PROVES Trump's senseless capitulation to Putin is a betrayal of ... European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) https://ecfr.eu › ECFR Council 8 days ago — ... taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine.” Imagine if in 1941, instead of entering the war against Nazi Germany on the side of Britain ... No, it proves he's got some real sanity where it really counts. The escalation with Russia during Biden's term had been getting to the point that MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) could have been triggered. Apparently, it looks like it almost did back in September: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/19/scott-ritter-72-hours/ From what I've read, Trump stopped helping Ukraine launch missiles into Ukraine the day he got into office. I believe another poster introduced me to a substack journalist that goes by the moniker Simplicius that has some really good articles on the Ukraine conflict. Like me, he's an admirer of former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, for example: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/jacques-baud-and-the-russian-way Simplicious came out with an article yesterday that makes the case that far from following the deep state cabal of an insane escalation with Russia, he's tacking hard in the other direction: Reports of Ukraine Funding Freeze Spell Doom amid Trump-Russia Alignment | Simplicius Quoting from the introduction to the article and a bit near the end: ** The doozy of a week continues, as Ukraine proceeds to slide into a hopeless abyss. A raft of new reports point to such a maximalist approach from Trump, that it’s difficult not to sensationalize things with premature enthusiasm. For a long time we wondered at Trump and his team’s true intentions vis-a-vis the war, and whether perhaps the neocon war hawk segment would again reel things back in, steering Trump into the same old escalation spiral against Russia. But thus far, we witness unfolding before us virtually the most optimistic course anyone could have imagined. Not only were all the most critical anti-deep state nominees like Tulsi Gabbard and now Kash Patel successfully confirmed—which itself will squeeze out the ‘bad intel’ component of the globalists’ classic stranglehold on the executive branch—but every sign now points to Trump aiming not for a ‘halfway’ settlement of the war, but a truly decisive one, to obliterate the deep state war party once and for all. And for them, it is nothing less than the worst imaginable nightmare, as the latest issue of Rothschild-owned Economist evokes: Let’s run down the latest transmissions which so emphatically point to an acceleration of events toward the maximalist axis. First there are the reports from within Ukraine itself that Trump’s team has in fact frozen funding. Ukrainian Rada head of the Defense Committee Roman Kostenko was first to break the news: ❗️The US has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, - head of the Rada Defense Committee Roman Kostenko. The United States has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, said the head of the Defense Committee of the Verkhovna Rada, Roman Kostenko. "According to my information, the weapons that were going up for sale - deliveries have stopped. Those companies that were supposed to transfer these weapons are now waiting, because there is no decision," the deputy said. “And everyone is waiting to see if there will be a decision to at least supply weapons here for money,” Kostenko added. [snip] As an interesting note, in a new clip referencing the peace deal, Trump states that he thinks Putin “wants to make a deal” but that “he doesn’t have to make a deal because he can have [all of Ukraine] if he wants to.” [audio clip in original] It is fascinating for revealing Trump as more perceptive than perhaps we’ve at times given him credit for. Most assumed the US administration believes the lie, based on faulty intelligence, that Russia is weak and in desperate need of a ceasefire. But in fact Trump appears fully aware that Putin doesn’t need this deal, and can carry on swallowing Ukraine whole. This is critical, as it reveals a lot of implications: for instance, the fact that Trump likely knows the incentive needs to be extremely strong for Russia to choose a deal over taking all of Ukraine as part of the war spoils. As such, we can assume the US must logically be preparing major concessions toward Putin’s demands in order to realistically make a ‘peace deal’ work. And today we had some confirmation of this, as it was reported by Financial Times that the withdrawal of American troops from eastern Europe was an explicit demand from the Russian side in Riyadh, for any normalization to take place. A fresh report in Financial Times has revealed that during US-Russia talks in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, Moscow demanded that NATO and American forces are withdrawn from eastern Europe as a condition for "normalizing relations." More and more signals point to Trump seeking to reverse a century and a half of fruitless Atlanticist adversarial behavior toward Russia, particularly with today’s other rumor, by way of French Le Point magazine, that Trump intends to attend Moscow’s May 9th Victory Day parade. Trump allegedly debunked this. To conclude, here’s a fitting excerpt from the earlier Spiegel piece: There is no role left for Selenskyj and the Ukraine. A prop that is pushed around the stage has no speaking part. As with the invasion three years ago, his aim is to prove himself as a subject again through his actions, without looking at the consequences. To say, as he did then, for his own people and the whole world to hear, the man in the Kremlin and the man in the White House: I'm still here too. Yes, you are still here—but not for long. ** Edited February 22 by Scott75 Added information Quote
robosmith Posted February 22 Author Report Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, Scott75 said: No, it proves he's got some real sanity where it really counts. The escalation with Russia during Biden's term had been getting to the point that MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) could have been triggered. Apparently, it looks like it almost did back in September: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/19/scott-ritter-72-hours/ From what I've read, Trump stopped helping Ukraine launch missiles into Ukraine the day he got into office. I believe another poster introduced me to a substack journalist that goes by the moniker Simplicius that has some really good articles on the Ukraine conflict. Like me, he's an admirer of former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, for example: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/jacques-baud-and-the-russian-way Simplicious came out with an article yesterday that makes the case that far from following the deep state cabal of an insane escalation with Russia, he's tacking hard in the other direction: Reports of Ukraine Funding Freeze Spell Doom amid Trump-Russia Alignment | Simplicius Quoting from the introduction to the article: ** The doozy of a week continues, as Ukraine proceeds to slide into a hopeless abyss. A raft of new reports point to such a maximalist approach from Trump, that it’s difficult not to sensationalize things with premature enthusiasm. For a long time we wondered at Trump and his team’s true intentions vis-a-vis the war, and whether perhaps the neocon war hawk segment would again reel things back in, steering Trump into the same old escalation spiral against Russia. But thus far, we witness unfolding before us virtually the most optimistic course anyone could have imagined. Not only were all the most critical anti-deep state nominees like Tulsi Gabbard and now Kash Patel successfully confirmed—which itself will squeeze out the ‘bad intel’ component of the globalists’ classic stranglehold on the executive branch—but every sign now points to Trump aiming not for a ‘halfway’ settlement of the war, but a truly decisive one, to obliterate the deep state war party once and for all. And for them, it is nothing less than the worst imaginable nightmare, as the latest issue of Rothschild-owned Economist evokes: Let’s run down the latest transmissions which so emphatically point to an acceleration of events toward the maximalist axis. First there are the reports from within Ukraine itself that Trump’s team has in fact frozen funding. Ukrainian Rada head of the Defense Committee Roman Kostenko was first to break the news: ❗️The US has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, - head of the Rada Defense Committee Roman Kostenko. The United States has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, said the head of the Defense Committee of the Verkhovna Rada, Roman Kostenko. "According to my information, the weapons that were going up for sale - deliveries have stopped. Those companies that were supposed to transfer these weapons are now waiting, because there is no decision," the deputy said. “And everyone is waiting to see if there will be a decision to at least supply weapons here for money,” Kostenko added. ** The US wasn't SELLING weapons to Ukraine, we were GIVING them weapons. So your unknown source with NO REPUTATION is NOT CREDIBLE. Simplicious: LMAO Of course if Trump stopped giving Ukraine weapons they are basically fcked. That means NOTHING except that Trump decided they should SURRENDER, and that could easily be a TRAGIC MISTAKE cause Putin (and Xi) will likely take the win and strike AGAIN. Quote
Scott75 Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, robosmith said: 6 hours ago, Scott75 said: No, it proves he's got some real sanity where it really counts. The escalation with Russia during Biden's term had been getting to the point that MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) could have been triggered. Apparently, it looks like it almost did back in September: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/19/scott-ritter-72-hours/ From what I've read, Trump stopped helping Ukraine launch missiles into Ukraine the day he got into office. I believe another poster introduced me to a substack journalist that goes by the moniker Simplicius that has some really good articles on the Ukraine conflict. Like me, he's an admirer of former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, for example: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/jacques-baud-and-the-russian-way Simplicious came out with an article yesterday that makes the case that far from following the deep state cabal of an insane escalation with Russia, he's tacking hard in the other direction: Reports of Ukraine Funding Freeze Spell Doom amid Trump-Russia Alignment | Simplicius Quoting from the introduction to the article and a bit near the end: ** The doozy of a week continues, as Ukraine proceeds to slide into a hopeless abyss. A raft of new reports point to such a maximalist approach from Trump, that it’s difficult not to sensationalize things with premature enthusiasm. For a long time we wondered at Trump and his team’s true intentions vis-a-vis the war, and whether perhaps the neocon war hawk segment would again reel things back in, steering Trump into the same old escalation spiral against Russia. But thus far, we witness unfolding before us virtually the most optimistic course anyone could have imagined. Not only were all the most critical anti-deep state nominees like Tulsi Gabbard and now Kash Patel successfully confirmed—which itself will squeeze out the ‘bad intel’ component of the globalists’ classic stranglehold on the executive branch—but every sign now points to Trump aiming not for a ‘halfway’ settlement of the war, but a truly decisive one, to obliterate the deep state war party once and for all. And for them, it is nothing less than the worst imaginable nightmare, as the latest issue of Rothschild-owned Economist evokes: Let’s run down the latest transmissions which so emphatically point to an acceleration of events toward the maximalist axis. First there are the reports from within Ukraine itself that Trump’s team has in fact frozen funding. Ukrainian Rada head of the Defense Committee Roman Kostenko was first to break the news: ❗️The US has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, - head of the Rada Defense Committee Roman Kostenko. The United States has stopped selling weapons to Ukraine, said the head of the Defense Committee of the Verkhovna Rada, Roman Kostenko. "According to my information, the weapons that were going up for sale - deliveries have stopped. Those companies that were supposed to transfer these weapons are now waiting, because there is no decision," the deputy said. “And everyone is waiting to see if there will be a decision to at least supply weapons here for money,” Kostenko added. ** The US wasn't SELLING weapons to Ukraine, we were GIVING them weapons. I did some digging on this and found that the western mainstream media is saying that the U.S. MIC is selling weapons to the U.S. government. A BBC article from January 2024 gets into the details: ** US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand. The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported. The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations. ** Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840 As to Simplicius' quote that the U.S. was selling weapons to Ukraine, if it's mistaken, I think it'd make more sense to blame the Ukrainian media where he says he got the quote from to begin with. Here's an article from the Kyiv Post published yesterday on the subject that says the same thing: US Reportedly Halts Weapon Sales to Ukraine, Lawmaker Disputes Claim | Kyiv Post 6 hours ago, robosmith said: Of course if Trump stopped giving Ukraine weapons they are basically fcked. The Ukrainian oligarchs milking the gravy train are, yes. Ukrainians themselves will do much better with a peace deal than the continued slaughter of the adult male population who don't have the money or connections to avoid conscription to the front. Edited February 22 by Scott75 Added information Quote
robosmith Posted February 22 Author Report Posted February 22 9 hours ago, Scott75 said: I did some digging on this and found that the western mainstream media is saying that the U.S. MIC is selling weapons to the U.S. government. A BBC article from January 2024 gets into the details: ** US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand. The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported. The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations. ** Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840 ^This is about US weapons sales to NATO members, not to Ukraine. 9 hours ago, Scott75 said: As to Simplicius' quote that the U.S. was selling weapons to Ukraine, if it's mistaken, I think it'd make more sense to blame the Ukrainian media where he says he got the quote from to begin with. Here's an article from the Kyiv Post published yesterday on the subject that says the same thing: US Reportedly Halts Weapon Sales to Ukraine, Lawmaker Disputes Claim | Kyiv Post The Ukrainian oligarchs milking the gravy train are, yes. Ukrainians themselves will do much better with a peace deal than the continued slaughter of the adult male population who don't have the money or connections to avoid conscription to the front. You have no EVIDENCE that "Ukrainian oligarchs milking the gravy train." They are getting weapons from US, NOT MONEY except for salary subsidies to keep the government operating. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
herbie Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 Surrender monkeys, chickenshits are rampant. Pretend Republicans opposing everything Reagan stood for. The President is merely jealous he has to shell out for legal fees instead of tossing opponents out the window. So he can be Don Donald of the new kleptocracy with Lt. Musk at his side Quote
Scott75 Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 23 hours ago, robosmith said: On 2/22/2025 at 2:12 AM, Scott75 said: I did some digging on this and found that the western mainstream media is saying that the U.S. MIC is selling weapons to the U.S. government. A BBC article from January 2024 gets into the details: ** US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand. The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported. The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations. ** Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840 ^This is about US weapons sales to NATO members, not to Ukraine. Alright, let's say you're right. It appears, then, that your real beef isn't with Simplicius' article, but rather with Ukrainian Rada head of the Defense Committee Roman Kostenko. I saw you quoted where I essentially pointed this out (I said the Ukrainian media, but if you look at the article itself, you'll see who made the claim), but you never responded to this point, so once more, in case you missed it: ** As to Simplicius' quote that the U.S. was selling weapons to Ukraine, if it's mistaken, I think it'd make more sense to blame the Ukrainian media where he says he got the quote from to begin with. Here's an article from the Kyiv Post published yesterday on the subject that says the same thing: US Reportedly Halts Weapon Sales to Ukraine, Lawmaker Disputes Claim | Kyiv Post ** Quote
User Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 (edited) 20 hours ago, herbie said: Surrender monkeys, chickenshits are rampant. Pretend Republicans opposing everything Reagan stood for. The President is merely jealous he has to shell out for legal fees instead of tossing opponents out the window. So he can be Don Donald of the new kleptocracy with Lt. Musk at his side Once again... go cry to your own government. Why are you not on the front lines in Ukraine right now? Edited February 23 by User Quote
User Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 This thread is little more than the two most prolific spammers on this forum spamming each other. LOL Quote
herbie Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 1 hour ago, User said: Once again... go cry to your own government. Why are you not on the front lines in Ukraine right now? Why would anyone cry to the Canadian govt? We support Ukraine 100%, every single political party. We're not the backstabbing, blackmailing Russian collaborators. We're not MAGAtts that constantly paint aggressors as the victims. Quote
User Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 1 minute ago, herbie said: Why would anyone cry to the Canadian govt? We support Ukraine 100%, every single political party. We're not the backstabbing, blackmailing Russian collaborators. We're not MAGAtts that constantly paint aggressors as the victims. No you don't support Ukraine 100%. You have no military deployed there. You can spend more $$$. You can send more military equipment. You could have spent the last 3 years building up your military-industrial base to ship more munitions. Go cry to your own government to do more. Quote
robosmith Posted February 23 Author Report Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Scott75 said: Alright, let's say you're right. It appears, then, that your real beef isn't with Simplicius' article, but rather with Ukrainian Rada head of the Defense Committee Roman Kostenko. I saw you quoted where I essentially pointed this out (I said the Ukrainian media, but if you look at the article itself, you'll see who made the claim), but you never responded to this point, so once more, in case you missed it: ** As to Simplicius' quote that the U.S. was selling weapons to Ukraine, if it's mistaken, I think it'd make more sense to blame the Ukrainian media where he says he got the quote from to begin with. Here's an article from the Kyiv Post published yesterday on the subject that says the same thing: US Reportedly Halts Weapon Sales to Ukraine, Lawmaker Disputes Claim | Kyiv Post ** Your cite is about a dispute between 2 Ukrainian politicians, one of whom appears to have ambitions to succeed Zelensky. AKA, obviously discredited. Quote
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