Columbia turns back deportation flights

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

Then quote the story. Liar. 

I literally did.  And i've commented on it a dozen times, the gov't did not know or authorize the transport of deportees in this fashion and it was against previous protocols.  Says so right in the story you posted. 

At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

You made a statement, the statement turned out to be wrong, your pride or delusions won't let you admit it and now you're just demanding i repost the same thing over and over again in the hopes it won't be true if you just ask one more time. 

They didn't reach out before the flight to clear this with the Columbians and that lead to the confusion and the incident.  It's not like that's a huge deal or evil or something, it's an error but it got sorted.  

But you're losing your shit and your dignity over trying to pretend that's not what happened. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

 

A flight plan is an ATC authorization.... ATC is a service not an authorizing body in the context discussed, it certainly doesn't constitute a diplomatic clearance authorization.

Flight plans do not replace the requirement for diploclearances and/or PPRs.  ATC may (on occasion) ask for the PPR # at the time of filing if it isn't included in the remarks section of the ICAO flight plan... same deal with ADCUS. 

Flights outside the parameters of a standing diploclearance protocol are not covered by it and would be scrutinized on a case by case basis. Turning away an en-route flight indicates (at least to me) that national authority for landing was revoked at short notice and likely due to an error of omission... it's likely (I would think) that the omission occurred at a low level in the routine approval process and was caught after the fact in a WTF scenario similar to the one I described above.

I say all that knowing absolutely nothing about the flight in question but would consider it a something of a matter of routine nonetheless. In the event of an emergency all of that would be waved... caging an engine with (say) a chip light or minor oil pressure fluctuation would have introduced an interesting twist into the mix. LOL, the engine might just have ground run serviceable on the ramp after arrival in that scenario too... 

Yup, I laughed as i typed that part too, mostly because it reminds me of why I retired at the rank I did. I can just imagine that conversation with the FO and FE and the debrief back home in the CO's office (with the door closed).

 

According to the story basically what happened is that prior to trump's election deportees were put on commercial flights and sent back. 

Trump for whatever reason is using military flights (volume i assume),   and for some reason a bunch of deportees going to another country were handcuffed and treated like prisoners and the like, and columbia heard about this, 

Then the us puts a bunch of deportees on a military transport, files a flight plan and the appropriate documents for it and heads to columbia

The president of columbia finds out they're sending a bunch of columbians on a military flight, thinks they'll be treated badly as well,  says "oh HELL no, you're not treating our people like that" and cancels their clearance and bans us military flights in general and demands they be sent as they always have been by commercial flight and treated with respect. 

Trump transforms into MegaTrump, threatens to destroy Columbia and Tokyo, Columbia's president says "bring it biatch" and then their respective political aides get ahold of them both and settle things down.  

The US promises in writing that even with military flights for transport the people will not be handcuffed or mistreated in any way and will be well cared for, columbia backs down and agrees to allow this and a new protocol is put in place so that there's no future confusion. 

All i was saying is that if the US had talked to columbia before hand about their new policy and new deportee protocols then this confusion could have been cleared up before the flight ever took off and all the kafuffle could have been avoided 

 

Edited January 30 by CdnFox

[User]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I literally did. 

No, you did not quote it saying any of the garbage you made up. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, you did not quote it saying any of the garbage you made up. 

 

I did, but you've got this weird mental glitch where you seem to mentally added out anything that is presented to you that disproves you.

You made a mistake. You believed that the Diplomatic actions had taken place before the flight and you were wrong. Oh well! That's not an incredibly hard mistake to make. Nobody would have thought less of you for making that kind of an error.

But you went on and now you've had your face rubbed in your own mistake. Your own sources timelines and quoted statements from the Columbian government completely discredit your position. And now you're having a little meltdown and pretending that the evidence that has been presented to you that you yourself brought forward doesn't exist.

Kid. Pull yourself together. We're wrong, everyone can see it, it's not a big deal to be wrong once in a blue moon, america made a mistake but it's a pretty minor mistake and again you can see how it would happen and hopefully next time they will know better. And it all got sorted out in the end so no big deal

Now go have a cup of hot chocolate and a cookie and settle the F down

[User]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

I did,

There are zero quotes here, you are a sad pathetic liar. Just the made up BS you wrote:

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, User said:

There are zero quotes here, you are a sad pathetic liar. Just the made up BS you wrote:

 

Here you go little guy, you'll be fine. 

 

[User]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Here you go little guy, you'll be fine. 

I am just fine. Where are those quotes? Liar. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, User said:

I am just fine. Where are those quotes? Liar. 

You are in severe mental distress and should probably see a professional. And the quotes are right about where they were the last time, in many many places, and in your article that you posted.

The article it says that the flight was approved but nothing else and the president of Colombia says that they had not agreed to the new protocol and we're unaware of it as it had changed after trump took office

You actually quoted it yourself

It's actually getting a little sad watching this

[User]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You are in severe mental distress and should probably see a professional. And the quotes are right about where they were the last time, in many many places, and in your article that you posted.

The article it says that the flight was approved but nothing else and the president of Colombia says that they had not agreed to the new protocol and we're unaware of it as it had changed after trump took office

You actually quoted it yourself

It's actually getting a little sad watching this

Yeah, I know what it says... and I know what I quoted. I am talking about all the BS you wrote up that it did not say and you did not quote and then lied repeatedly saying you did. 

You just continue to lie, lie, lie.