blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 Just now, User said: making declarations about the motives of the authors behind the NASB You can find lots of information about the heretical editors in the book New Age Bible Versions which I told you how to find or buy. The words hell, fornication, and sodomy are removed or changed in modern versions to make them more palatable to the new age or modernist thinking and to sell bibles. There is lots of money to be made in selling the modern versions. They are corrupt. Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, User said: So far, what you have offered is a bunch of garbage. I have no desire to go read anything else you are pushing. Unfortunately we live in an age where many Christians are completely deceived by demonic /evil spirits and are full of pride. The biggest problem today in churches is pride along with apostasy. Pride is a serious sin. When you accuse me of pushing garbage, you prove you have a serious problem with pride and deception. The information I gave you is accurate and actually proves the corruption in modern versions. I have a fair amount of experience in dealing with pastors and Christians on this subject and what I am telling you is pride is a major problem. People's minds are closed by evil or demonic spirits. This was prophesied to be the case in the last days. It is a fact now. Not much I can do for people who do not want to know the truth. Edited January 1 by blackbird Quote
User Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: Unfortunately we live in an age where many Christians are completely deceived by demonic /evil spirits and are full of pride. The biggest problem today in churches is pride along with apostasy. Pride is a serious sin. When you accuse me of pushing garbage, you prove you have a serious problem with pride and deception. The information I gave you is accurate and actually proves the corruption in modern versions. I have a fair amount of experience in dealing with pastors and Christians on this subject and what I am telling you is pride is a major problem. People's minds are closed by evil or demonic spirits. This was prophesied to be the case in the last days. It is a fact now. Not much I can do for people who do not want to know the truth. Ah, I see. So, you think you are right that all these other Christians out there are deceived... isn't pride on your part... it is pride that I don't agree with you. Yeah, no, you have that backward. I am not merely accusing you of pushing garbage, on the few instances where you offered something specific enough to refute, I soundly did. You are ignoring that part. The rest is garbage as it is just more baseless assertions. Offer something specific. Quote
User Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 12 minutes ago, blackbird said: You can find lots of information about the heretical editors in the book New Age Bible Versions which I told you how to find or buy. The words hell, fornication, and sodomy are removed or changed in modern versions to make them more palatable to the new age or modernist thinking and to sell bibles. There is lots of money to be made in selling the modern versions. They are corrupt. Nope, you are wrong again. NASB, the word "hell": Matthew 5:22 (among many, many others) Also... what is the difference between fornicating and sexual immorality? Also, what verse in the KJV uses sodomy? Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 9 minutes ago, User said: The rest is garbage as it is just more baseless assertions. Offer something specific. This is from a couple pages of New Age Bible Versions starting on page 457: "The Epitaph of Philip Schaff "Ye shall conceive chaff' Isaiah 33:1 1 The 'New' American Standard Version Venom from the fangs of the viper filled the fountain pen of Phihp Schaff, staining every paragraph of his American Standard Version. The Westcott-Hort campaign to reframe the Greek and English bible sent Schaff, armed with his poison pen, to the front lines, as President of the American Old and New Testament Committees. The press had often protested his position, saying: We are at a loss to understand why such a man is permitted to be the big gun.i If the biography of Philip Schaff, available in standard encyclopedias, appeared on die back jacket of the new versions, as author biographical sketches often do, his trial for heresy and active participation in the kick-off meeting for the New Age movement, would be only a few of the numerous aspects of his life which would 458 • NEW AGE VERSIONS cause Christians to reject his translations. His colleagues from the University of Berlin called him, "[T]he theological mediator between East and West."2 Schaff chided Christians saying, "[T]hey vainly imagine that they possess the monopoly on truth. "3 As a result, "Shocked churchmen brought Schaff before the Pennsylvania Synod for heresy," notes one of his biographers.4 Schaffs own son admits, "[T]he people associated all manner of doctrinal evil with [him]" and referred to him as a "traitor."5 Referring to Schaffs theology, his son writes: [I]t was at that time considered by most [Christians] in the United States dangerous and by many heretical.6 The Living Bible and the 'New' American Standard Version^ which "sought to preserve" the ASV, are among the convoy carrying Schaffs deadly cargo forward to this generation.7 They have taken custody of Schaffs 30,000 alterations to the text, each one a clang in his battle cry: [T]he church must adjust her. . .doctrinal statements. . .to natural sciences These 'adjustments' disarm verses which defend miraculous or supernatural phenomenon, such as Christ's incarnation, deity, sinlessness, resurrection and ascension.9 A cartoon mummy of his ASV is preserved today in The Living Bible by Kenneth Taylor. Its text is a direct paraphrase of the work of Schaffs paring knife. What now is 'fed' to children was considered poison by Shaffs contemporaries. "Parents were warned against sending their children to Mercersburg," admits Schaffs son, so he moved on to teach at Union Theological Seminary in New York City.io It was, Schaff said: . . .so liberal as to allow for all my dissenting views on these and other points.n There in New York City, Schaff sought men, who shared what he called his "liberal outlook," for membership on his bible translation committee. 12 Rejected were those who believed in, what he called, "the moonshine theory of the inerrant apostolic autographs."i3 His monopoly of the translation later led committee members to admit THE EPITAPH OF PHILIP SCHAFF • 459 that the 30,000 changes from the KJV are, "indebted to Philip Schaff more than to all others put together. "14 Schaff, however, gives credit to one member, a Unitarian layman. (They deny the deity of Christ and the Trinity.) Of him Schaff said, "No one took a deeper interest in the revision." 15 This 'interest' is evidenced in the Arianism seen in Schaffs text and footnotes (i.e., John 9:38, Micah 5:2 et al.) and now abounding in all new versions unquote --New Age Bible Versions Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, User said: Also... what is the difference between fornicating and sexual immorality? The word fornication is a specific sin meaning sex outside marriage between a man and woman. The words sexual immorality are words that God would hate because it is a very subjective term which could mean anything someone wants it to mean. Immorality does not mean a specific sin. It is whatever a person wants it to mean. It is widely used in secular humanism / politics but it is not used in the King James Bible 5 minutes ago, User said: Also, what verse in the KJV uses sodomy? The word sodomy is the same base word for sodomite. These words are used in several places in the KJV but changed in the NIV and other versions to temple prostitute which is entirely different. Temple prostitutes does not specifically refer to homosexuality. Also there is no such thing as "temple prostitutes" today. Quote
User Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: The word fornication is a specific sin meaning sex outside marriage between a man and woman. The words sexual immorality are words that God would hate because it is a very subjective term which could mean anything someone wants it to mean. Immorality does not mean a specific sin. It is whatever a person wants it to mean. It is widely used in secular humanism / politics but it is not used in the King James Bible How would you know what God would or would not hate here? The word "fornication" is not the original word anyhow as the original manuscripts, even those used by the KJV, were not written in English. And no, sexual immorality can't mean anything you want it to mean, it is defined as any sexual activity that occurs outside of marriage. 8 minutes ago, blackbird said: The word sodomy is the same base word for sodomite. These words are used in several places in the KJV but changed in the NIV and other versions to temple prostitute which is entirely different. Temple prostitutes does not specifically refer to homosexuality. Also there is no such thing as "temple prostitutes" today. So... the word you complained about not being in other versions, isn't even in the KJV. Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, User said: Nope, you are wrong again. NASB, the word "hell": Matthew 5:22 (among many, many others) Also... what is the difference between fornicating and sexual immorality? Also, what verse in the KJV uses sodomy? I am not saying the word hell might not appear in some place(s) in new versions, but it is removed from many places and changed to a different benign kind of word. Here is a few pages about how the modern versions destroyed the Lord's Prayer. quote from page 56 THREE Your Father, the Devil John 8:44 Or Our Father Which Art in Heaven Luke 11:2 Praying to a new god Praying to a new one, how is it done? Leave out the Son. Then change a few words, maybe every third, 'til the subject is blurred and the prayer is transferred? New Agers invoke "a father" (John 8:44), a Jesus and a spirit (II Corinthians 1 1:4). But they do not follow the formula prescribed by God of praying to "Our Father," in the name of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. New versions, as well, use formulas of their own, so that prayers take a path to 'the new god's' throne. Perhaps the most shocking discovery of my research was the admission by the New Age movement and esoteric community that there is, in fact, an occult version of the "Our Father" and that it has found its way into Luke 1 1 :2 in the new versions. YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL 57 KJV NIV, NASB, et al. Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth Give us day by day our daily bread And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive everyone that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil Luke 1 1 :2-4 Father hallowed be your name your kingdom come Give us each day our daily bread Forgive us our sins for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation The bold sections on the left indicate the words and sections which have been removed from the prayer in all modem versions, such as the NIV, NASB, Living Bible, NRSV, Good News for Modern Man, New Century Version, The New American Bible, and The New Jerusalem Bible. They are the very words which distinguish "Our " Father "in heaven" who "delivers us from evil" from "your father the devil," who is "the god of. . .this present evil world." New Age Confession The use of the term 'Father' by occultists and New Agers, when addressing their god, should be no surprise since Satan's goal is to be "like the most High." A close examination of New Age writings reveals their plan to portray their 'preying' wolf in sheep's clothing. Alice Bailey instructs the movement's inner core as follows: The general public will regard it as a prayer to God transcendent. They will not recognize Him yet as immanent in his creation. 1 Alice Bailey unquote -New Age Bible Versions available online. type on search window New AGe Bible Versions archive.org Quote
User Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 Just now, blackbird said: I am not saying the word hell might not appear in some place(s) in new versions, but it is removed from many places and changed to a different benign kind of word. Yes, you did: "The words hell, fornication, and sodomy are removed or changed in modern versions to make them more palatable to the new age or modernist thinking and to sell bibles. " 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Here is a few pages about how the modern versions destroyed the Lord's Prayer. Destroyed? That is silly nonsense. Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, User said: How would you know what God would or would not hate here? It should be obvious that when a crucial word is changed to something ambiguous, that is something God would hate. 6 minutes ago, User said: The word "fornication" is not the original word anyhow as the original manuscripts, even those used by the KJV, were not written in English. Ah this is easy to answer. The word fornication comes from the Greek word meaning porn. ...pornea. Very clearly fornication is a very good translation of pornea or porneo. 8 minutes ago, User said: nd no, sexual immorality can't mean anything you want it to mean, it is defined as any sexual activity that occurs outside of marriage. Look it up in a dictionary. Sexual immorality is a broad subjective term. It could mean one thing to one person and something different to another person. It is not specific. Fornication has a specific meaning. A caller to a radio program with a pastor on was asked by a lady what she tell her son about sex outside marriage and the pastor could not answer it because the corrupt Bible was not clear. Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 19 minutes ago, User said: Yes, you did: "The words hell, fornication, and sodomy are removed or changed in modern versions to make them more palatable to the new age or modernist thinking and to sell bibles. " Perhaps I should have worded it a little differently. It was a general statement. Like many changes in new versions, you will still find places where you might find original wording or similar, but there are still many changes which have corrupted the modern versions. That is the point in this discussion. I can't give you the exact changes without going through the versions and spending a vast amount of time examining every change. That is not what I was trying to show. I did show you that there are many changes which corrupt the modern versions. That is how Satan has worked. Put in enough arsenic to poison them but leave some things to give a cover. You ignored what I said and claimed other places show the truth in effect. That ignores the corruption. Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 (edited) ""Our" "Our" must be removed since it is a clear witness against the New Age belief in the 'universal fatherhood' of God. The concept that God is Father to all, without the adoption that occurs at the new birth, is a maxim of the New Age and the soapbox on which many liberal churches pose. The bible, however, speaks of mankind's distinct division into two camps, described by Jesus to the Pharisees. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your Father. . .If God were your Father, ye would love me. . .Ye are of your father the devil. John 8:38, 42, 61 This disdain for a father which is "ours" alone is repeated throughout the new versions, based upon the "scandalously corrupt" Greek minority texts." ""But Deliver Us From Evil" This final line is uprooted from the text and jettisoned away, in company with all of the references to 'heaven'. Words like good and evil, heaven and hell, paint a picture which is too black and white for the New Age which sees the world in varying shades of grey. The new versions don't present an "evil world," as seen in Galatians 1:4, but an "evil age." They believe this 'evil Age' of Pisces will soon become their glorious 'Age' of Aquarius. Regrettably, when the New Age Great hivocation chants, ". . .seal the door where evil dwells, "the Holy Father of Evil" is sealing them in 'with,' rather than delivering them "from" evil. Isaiah 14 warned that Satan ". . .opened not the house of his prisoners." New Versions Halt Prayer God's formula of praying to the Father, in the Son's name, through the Holy Spirit is totally circumvented in new versions. They call for prayer directly to the Son or to the Father, but not in Jesus' name." --from New Age Bible Versions Edited January 1 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 (edited) From page 154: "Porn In the battle between man's mores and God's laws, the new versions have opted for the 'popular' morals of the day. They have substituted the relativistic word 'immorality' for the word 'fornication'. The word 'immorality' carries with it no description of what is forbidden. Webster elaborates: Immorality: State or quality of being immoral Immoral: Not moral Fornication: Illicit sexual intercourse on the part of an unmarried person. The New Testament Greek word is porneau, pome, pornos, porneia. unquote Edited January 1 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 (edited) Mark 10:21 NiV, NASB et al. "Then come, follow me." KJV: "and come, take up the cross, and follow me." What's missing in modern versions? Take up the cross. quote The 'New' Christianity has put down their cross to follow Pied Piper preachers who present Christ carrying a credit card instead of a cross. For them life becomes a Supermarket Sweepstakes where the 'Christian Winners', not Christian sinners, scramble for 'position' to pick up all the prosperity and pleasure they can until the trumpet rings. They pick the aisles marked 'Crown' not 'Cross', 'Happy' not 'Holy', 'Easy' not 'Right', 'Now' not 'Later'. The background musak 'ministry' croons: Prophesy not unto us right things speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits. Isaiah 30: 10 But the timing of the tune is off and so is the timing of God's people. The Jews rejected Jesus because they wanted a temporal King 'now', not 'later'. Christians are rejecting the cross now, because they want the crown 'now' not 'later'. They shop the bible for bargains and deals, dodging Hebrews 11:35-40, 13:13-14, Romans 8:17, 1 Corinthians 4:1 1-14, II Timothy 2:12, II Corinthians 11:23-27 or Luke 19:17. This chapter will continue to explore how the new versions make better bargains with the conscience. Crown or Cross? The temptation to skip the cross and capture the crown was presented to Christ by Satan in the wilderness (Luke 4). Satan pressed for a miracle—manna (verse 3); Jesus offered the word of God instead (verse 4). Satan counter-offered "the world, . . .power. . .and glory" (verses 5 and 6); Jesus called for service and worship toward God (verse 8). The devil demanded fulfillment of scripture promises-NOW (verse 11: Psalm 91:11); Jesus called this tempting God. Today's Christians, in the wilderness of this world, press for miracles. When offered the word instead, they counterclaim 'the world, power and glory' as a fulfillment of scripture promises-NOW. God calls Christians to a life of spiritual sustenance on scriptures, not manna—service and worship, not signs and wonders—and trusting not tempting God. Satan saved his most subtle scheme for Jesus and often snares super-saints with the same. The evil lay hidden, not in every proposition, but in the timing. Jesus will bring bread miraculously to 160 • NEW AGE VERSIONS the rock city of Sela (Petra) and others in the wilderness during the tribulation (Revelation 12:6, Matthew 24:14, Micah 7:14). He will return in the sky (Acts 1:11). And the "kingdoms of this world" will become "the kingdoms of our Lord" (Revelation 1 1: 15). But the cross comes first on Christ's course and Christians are called to "follow." If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. II Timothy 2:12 Satan snares Christians with the lusts of the flesh ("bread"), the lusts of the eyes ("shewed him") and the pride of life (hey, look at me sky-fly!). His spokesman for the 90's, Luciferian David Spangler offers his New Age bait in place of what Christians so often despise. If. . .what Christ represents demands suffering, repentancy and self-negation, then this needs to be seen clearly, in contrast to the New Age which represents love, upliftment of the individual and collective well being. 1 7 'Christian' ministries are singing along with Spangler to the New Age musak tune Easy is Right. You are suffering because you have refused your place in Christ. 18 E.W. Kenyon They are all following the new version Pied Piper who omitted "longsuffering withjoyfulness" from Colossians 1:11. unquote --page 159 New Age Bible Versions Edited January 1 by blackbird Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 2 hours ago, blackbird said: It should be obvious that when a crucial word is changed to something ambiguous, that is something God would hate. It is your argument that you know what God would hate here. It is not obvious at all. 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Ah this is easy to answer. The word fornication comes from the Greek word meaning porn. ...pornea. Very clearly fornication is a very good translation of pornea or porneo. Except... "fornication" is not the word used. Fornication is more limited in meaning, where as pornea would encompass more forms of sexual wrongs. Yet again, the NASB serves to offer a more literal word for word translation here so that sexual immorality covers more than just fornication. 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Look it up in a dictionary. Sexual immorality is a broad subjective term. It could mean one thing to one person and something different to another person. It is not specific. Fornication has a specific meaning. A caller to a radio program with a pastor on was asked by a lady what she tell her son about sex outside marriage and the pastor could not answer it because the corrupt Bible was not clear. We are not using a dictionary, we are using the Bible. These words have specific meanings and contexts. Sexual immorality does in fact have a specific meaning as used in the Bible. As it is defined from the greek, the word pornea includes all sexual acts outside of marriage, not just fornication. That is why sexual immorality is used. The issue is not corruption, it is the ignorance you have on this. 2 hours ago, blackbird said: You ignored what I said and claimed other places show the truth in effect. That ignores the corruption. What specifically did I ignore? There is no corruption. I picked out several of the examples you provided where you gave specific enough assertions to refute, and I showed how there was no corruption. You are the one who has ignored those arguments showing you that. Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Mark 10:21 NiV, NASB et al. "Then come, follow me." KJV: "and come, take up the cross, and follow me." What's missing in modern versions? Take up the cross. Yes, once again, the NASB stives for a more word for word literal accuracy on all the manuscripts. There is nothing nefarious here. The meaning of this verse has not changed. It is still a call to follow Christ, and as I have pointed out before, you still find this language in the NASB elsewhere. Matthew 16:24 NASB - So much for the big conspiracy or nefariousness of the NASB authors to take out "take up the cross" "Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me." Quote
blackbird Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 35 minutes ago, User said: Sexual immorality does in fact have a specific meaning as used in the Bible. As it is defined from the greek, the word pornea includes all sexual acts outside of marriage, not just fornication. That is why sexual immorality is used. Nonsense. The word immoral does not necessarily mean fornication. The word immoral is a broad term meaning wickedness. The fornication mean sexual intercourse outside marriage. There is a vast difference between the meaning of wickedness and sexual intercourse. Very simple really. Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Nonsense. The word immoral does not necessarily mean fornication. The word immoral is a broad term meaning wickedness. The fornication mean sexual intercourse outside marriage. There is a vast difference between the meaning of wickedness and sexual intercourse. Very simple really. Nothing nonsense about it. Sexual immorality is the term, not just immorality. As it is being used, it means all sexual relations outside of marriage. Fornication only means consenting sex between a man and woman outside of marriage. It doesn't cover adultery, prostitution, or other sexual acts. Quote
blackbird Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 33 minutes ago, User said: The meaning of this verse has not changed. It is still a call to follow Christ, and as I have pointed out before, you still find this language in the NASB elsewhere. Finding something somewhere else in the Bible does not excuse removing an important part of a verse in another place. That argument has no validity. A corruption in a verse is a corruption. There are so many changes, in fact, thousands of changes. There are many changes which make the Bible more in line with new age thinking which is apostasy. Many fundamental doctrines are weakened or outright denied. Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 Just now, blackbird said: Finding something somewhere else in the Bible does not excuse removing an important part of a verse in another place. It goes to the heart of your bad argument. You are here saying the term was removed out of some nefarious intent to remove its significance or meaning... but, as I pointed out, the same terminology still exists in another verse. There is no corruption. 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: There are many changes which make the Bible more in line with new age thinking which is apostasy. Many fundamental doctrines are weakened or outright denied. More broad, generic, baseless assertions. Every specific example you come up with, I soundly refute and show the absurdity of what you are arguing. Quote
blackbird Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 Just now, User said: Nothing nonsense about it. Sexual immorality is the term, not just immorality. As it is being used, it means all sexual relations outside of marriage. You seem to think anyone reading the words sexual immorality means fornication but the words sexual immorality could be interpreted many different way. Not necessarily sexual intercourse. Immorality mean wickedness or whatever society or politicians says is immoral or wrong. That means it is not clear. Sexual immorality could mean swearing using the f word or it could mean just looking at a suggestive sexual picture. It could be interpreted to mean raping a woman. But what if it is consensual sex. Some might think that is not immoral because the words sexually immoral are not really clear. It depends how one interprets it. Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: You seem to think anyone reading the words sexual immorality means fornication but the words sexual immorality could be interpreted many different way. Not necessarily sexual intercourse. No, I am clearly stating that sexual immorality means all sexual activity outside of marriage. 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: But what if it is consensual sex. Some might think that is not immoral because the words sexually immoral are not really clear. It depends how one interprets it. Again, sexual immorality in the Bible means all sexual activity outside of marriage. What some might think is irrelevant to what it actually means. This is true throughout the Bible, as it was written in a different language in a different culture and words had different context and meaning then. People who read the Bible will continually find problems here, and in fact, this is exactly the game many bigoted people who are bent on attacking the Bible will play. Edited January 2 by User Quote
blackbird Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 3 minutes ago, User said: There is no corruption. You are in denial. We won't get anywhere unless you are able to open your mind. You simply deny every fact and example of corruption. 4 minutes ago, User said: Every specific example you come up with, I soundly refute and show the absurdity of what you are arguing. That proves you are in denial. I don't have time for that kind of useless discussion. It is like talking to a brick wall. I have met lots of people like that and a number of ministers too. We are in the last days and people are under demonic control and deception on this subject. I think that is your problem. If you really want to know, I gave you a couple of books you can read on the internet at no charge. 1 minute ago, User said: Again, sexual immorality in the Bible means all sexual activity outside of marriage. No. That is what you are claiming here, but that is not necessarily what the words mean. They don't say what you are claiming. Quote
User Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 Just now, blackbird said: You are in denial. We won't get anywhere unless you are able to open your mind. You simply deny every fact and example of corruption. No, I have been studying this for my entire life. I give you sound arguments based on facts, logic, and reason. 1 minute ago, blackbird said: That proves you are in denial. I don't have time for that kind of useless discussion. It is like talking to a brick wall. I have met lots of people like that and a number of ministers too. We are in the last days and people are under demonic control and deception on this subject. I think that is your problem. If you really want to know, I gave you a couple of books you can read on the internet at no charge. LOL, sure dude. Your surface level deep antics might work on the less educated, but not me. That doesn't put me in denial, it means you can't get past the surface level deep assertions you make once they are challenged. Quote
blackbird Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, User said: Again, sexual immorality in the Bible means all sexual activity outside of marriage. Actually public schools teach children or teenagers to use contraceptives if they are going to have sex. Using the words sexual immorality to try to counter what is taught by public schools is a very weak way to counter that. Secondly, people that use the modern versions do not believe the actual words in the modern versions are infallible and inerrant. There are countless new versions that differ in countless way. People that use them will tell you there is no absolutely infallible Bible. So why would they accept your interpretation of sexual immorality any more than some leftist interpretation? They wouldn't Since there is no inerrant Bible according to users of modern Bibles, nobody can claim they have the absolute true understanding. 4 minutes ago, User said: No, I have been studying this for my entire life. I give you sound arguments based on facts, logic, and reason. LOL, sure dude. Your surface level deep antics might work on the less educated, but not me. That doesn't put me in denial, it means you can't get past the surface level deep assertions you make once they are challenged. I made far more than assertions. I gave you the actual words that have been changed in modern versions. Which modern version is the inerrant, preserved words of God? Do you know? Quote
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