Jimmy Carter dead at 100. He was a disaster for the US and reshaped Middle East into a terrorist region it is today.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Jimmy Carter a weak US president who was one of few presidents not elected for a second term. During his 4 year presidency the US and hence world economy dipped into deep recession, the worse since great depression. He betrayed and abandoned strongest US ally in the world, the Shah of Iran and threw him under the bus and paving the way for the terrorist regime of Islamic Republic to take over Iran first and the whole middle east later. He sent his military advisor to Iran to force a transition of power from the Shah to Khomeini, resulted in the latter taking many Americans hostage in their own embassy for 444 days and taking the nation of Iran hostage for half a century.

Many Iranians are jubilant to see his death. During weak presidency the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and parts of Africa and central America (Nicaragua) lost to Soviet backed regimes. He will be remembered by many as a weak failed president. Reagan was successful to undo some of his damage by bringing US out of recession and galvanize the fall of evil Soviet empire however, he was not able to bring down the evil Islamic empire in Iran. Hopefully Trump would do it and put an end to 4 disastrous years of Carter presidency for once and all.

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16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Jimmy Carter a weak US president who was one of few presidents not elected for a second term.

Not being elected a second term, does not mean one is a bad President. George W Bush and Donald Trump both were elected for 2 terms, yet they are horrible.

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

During his 4 year presidency the US and hence world economy dipped into deep recession, the worse since great depression.

Not true. The North American recessions were in 1973-74 (Nixon), after the Yom Kippur War, and 1982-83 (Reagan), not 1977-81. In addition, the worst recession since the Great Depression, was 2008-09. 

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He betrayed and abandoned strongest US ally in the world

He never betrayed the UK. 

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

, the Shah of Iran and threw him under the bus and paving the way for the terrorist regime of Islamic Republic to take over Iran first and the whole middle east later.

Carter was not responsible for Iran overthrowing the Shah, no more than America is not responsible for the current turmoil in South Korea. However it's interesting you bring up Iran.

In late 1979, the Iranians stormed the US Embassy, and took dozens of American hostages, and paraded them with blindfolds in the street Did you know that Carter had arranged a deal to free the hostages in the spring of 1980. However, George Bush Sr. cut a deal with Iran, which delayed the release of the hostages, until AFTER Reagan got into office.

So essentially, the hostages had to spend 10 extra months in captivity, due to the fact that it would hurt Carter politically.

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

During weak presidency the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and parts of Africa and central America (Nicaragua) lost to Soviet backed regimes.

Again you blame Carter, for things he had no control over (Afghanistan). Ironically, it was his boycott of the 1980 Olympics in Russia that actually hurt his approval ratings.  It should be noted than the USA has been propping up dictatorships in  Latin America for centuries.

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He will be remembered by many as a weak failed president. Reagan was successful to undo some of his damage by bringing US out of recession and galvanize the fall of evil Soviet empire however, he was not able to bring down the evil Islamic empire in Iran. Hopefully Trump would do it and put an end to 4 disastrous years of Carter presidency for once and all.

The collapse of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with Reagan, and everything to do with the fact that Russia was essentially broke, and the people would have eventually overthrew the government, like they did in many Eastern European nations. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He betrayed and abandoned strongest US ally in the world, the Shah of Iran and threw him under the bus and paving the way for the terrorist regime of Islamic Republic to take over Iran first and the whole middle east later.

Carter simply happened to be the guy in charge when the blowback from overthrowing the democratically elected Mossadegh and installing the Shah's brutal regime hit.

Project Ajax was not Carter's fault, it was America's. By then of course they'd doubled down on the policy of betraying and abandoning their principles by backing other dictators in the region and around the world. It's a wonder there aren't more terrorists actually.

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13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

Project Ajax was not Carter's fault, it was America's. By then of course they'd doubled down on the policy of betraying and abandoning their principles by backing other dictators in the region and around the world. It's a wonder there aren't more terrorists actually.

Reagan sold arms to both sides (Iran and Iraq).

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

 

In late 1979, the Iranians stormed the US Embassy, and took dozens of American hostages, and paraded them with blindfolds in the street Did you know that Carter had arranged a deal to free the hostages in the spring of 1980. However, George Bush Sr. cut a deal with Iran, which delayed the release of the hostages, until AFTER Reagan got into office.

 

Please don't re-write history. It is rumored (not proven) that Reagan cut a deal with the Ayatollahs but never proven. And yes Carter broke a deal with the terrorists in Tehran to extradite the very sick Shah (the long time US ally and friend) to these terrorists so that he is tortured and put to death in worst possible manner but friends of the Shah (Nixon, Kissinger, Rockefeller)  informed him of the plot and while very sick he left US soil before he could be arrested. Rumor has it that Carter ordered Shah's surgeon to operate on him in such a way that he dies soon and that is exactly what happened. Carter was a son of a b*cth two-faced person who did everything possible for re-election including murder. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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59 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

 

The collapse of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with Reagan, and everything to do with the fact that Russia was essentially broke, and the people would have eventually overthrew the government, like they did in many Eastern European nations. 

It had everything to do with Reagan and his maximum pressure policy. He armed Afghan rebels to bleed the Soviets to death in Afghanistan while substantially increasing the budget for US army and nuclear weapons the Soviets tried to match but failed and exploded internally.

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

 

Carter was not responsible for Iran overthrowing the Shah, no more than America is not responsible for the current turmoil in South Korea. However it's interesting you bring up Iran.

 

Oh please don't try to educate me on Iranian revolution. Carter had everything to do with it. He and his stupid human rights policies (human rights for humans yes but not for f*cking subhuman mullahs in Iran who set fire to the whole middle east and burned Iran). Carter used the deception of human rights to be elected as US president and he had to pretend that he is following it so he put pressure on the Shah to release political prisoners (mostly Marxists and Islamic terrorists) and open up the political freedom in Iran. So the Shah had to open the cage and release the caged wild animals and then relax crack down on oppositions and hence the spark of the revolution which later destroyed Iran and set the whole middle east on fire giving rise to terrorist Islamism and black Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah and Shiite Arab extremists

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Not true. The North American recessions were in 1973-74 (Nixon), after the Yom Kippur War, and 1982-83 (Reagan), not 1977-81. In addition, the worst recession since the Great Depression, was 2008-09. 

 

None of these are true. It was Carter (1980-1981) when recession started. Reagan inherited the mess and got us out of this by 1988,

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38 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Reagan sold arms to both sides (Iran and Iraq).

Again not true. Russia and France were the main arms suppliers to Iraq during the 8 year war. People under Reagan without his knowledge indirectly supplied the Ayatollah with arms through illegal means only one time but he cut off Iran from arms and even spare parts for American made weapons which brought down the Iranian army especially the fantom fighter jets to its knees.

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9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

None of these are true. It was Carter (1980-1981) when recession started. Reagan inherited the mess and got us out of this by 1988,

The recession was mainly the result of the continuous OPEC oil embargo imposed in the United States, for their involvement in the Yom Kippur War of 1973, when the Arab nations learned the US secretly helped Israel.  Energy prices had skyrocketed throughout the 70s, leading to the recession of the early 1980s.

There is nothing Carter could have done to prevent this, but he certainly tried, getting Israel and Egypt to sign a piece deal in 1979.

Edited December 31, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again not true. Russia and France were the main arms suppliers to Iraq during the 8 year war. People under Reagan without his knowledge indirectly supplied the Ayatollah with arms through illegal means only one time but he cut off Iran from arms and even spare parts for American made weapons which brought down the Iranian army especially the fantom fighter jets to its knees.

The US sold many arms to Iraq, just not directly to either country. The CIA used an indirect approach, selling mainly to warlords, with the understanding the arms would make their way to Iraq and Iran.

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24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Please don't re-write history. It is rumored (not proven) that Reagan cut a deal with the Ayatollahs but never proven. And yes Carter broke a deal with the terrorists in Tehran to extradite the very sick Shah (the long time US ally and friend) to these terrorists so that he is tortured and put to death in worse possible manner but friends of the Shah (Nixon, Kissinger, Rockefeller)  informed him of the plot and while very sick he left US soil before he could be arrested. Rumor has it that Carter ordered Shah's surgeon to operate on him in such a way that he dies soon and that is exactly what happened. Carter was a son of a b*cth two-faced person who did everything possible for re-election including murder. 

lol....where do you come up with this?

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Carter simply happened to be the guy in charge when the blowback from overthrowing the democratically elected Mossadegh and installing the Shah's brutal regime hit.

Project Ajax was not Carter's fault, it was America's. By then of course they'd doubled down on the policy of betraying and abandoning their principles by backing other dictators in the region and around the world. It's a wonder there aren't more terrorists actually.

Historians are divided on Iran on 1953 events however, the reality is that the Shah had constitutional power to order down the Prime Minister and he did a few days prior to the coup but the PM refused and sent his supporters to streets backed by pro-Soviet Tudeh party even tried to arrest the Shah and his family. The Americans tricked by British (who claimed the Soviets will take Iran if Mossadegh comes to power) staged a coup without Shah's knowledge or consent).

No as I mentioned, it was Carter who pressured Shah to release the cage animals and open up Iran's political scene and hence the spark of revolution. His administration were in contact with revolutionaries in Iran months before the start of revolution.

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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23 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It had everything to do with Reagan and his maximum pressure policy. He armed Afghan rebels to bleed the Soviets to death in Afghanistan while substantially increasing the budget for US army and nuclear weapons the Soviets tried to match but failed and exploded internally.

Afghanistan contributed to the downfall of the Soviet Union, and the CIA did find the rebels (including Osama Bin Laden). I wish the US could continue to fund Ukraine, since Russia is on the ropes, but they have found a way to compromise Donald Trump. so that will likely end soon.

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11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The recession was mainly the result of the continuous OPEC oil embargo imposed in the United States, for their involvement in the Yom Kippur War of 1973, when the Arab nations learned the US secretly helped Israel.  Energy prices had skyrocketed throughout the 70s, leading to the recession of the early 1980s.

There is nothing Carter could have done to prevent this, but he certainly tried, getting Israel and Egypt to sign a piece deal in 1979.

No you are wrong again. It was because of Iranian revolution that oil prices suddenly jumped in 1979 and 1980. The first rise in oil prices (in 1973) was well absorbed by the West by 1979. It was the huge jump in 1979-1980 in oil prices plus many other factors which cause the recession. If Shah remained in power, there would have been no recession in the 80's and there would have been no f*cking Taliban, no Hamas, No Hezbollah, no Shiite terrorism no mess in Iraq and Lebanon but a peaceful middle east. Damn Carter. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Afghanistan contributed to the downfall of the Soviet Union, and the CIA did find the rebels (including Osama Bin Laden). I wish the US could continue to fund Ukraine, since Russia is on the ropes, but they have found a way to compromise Donald Trump. so that will likely end soon.

Yes rumor has it Trump exchanged Ukraine with Iran. Hope it is true. The nation of Iran fed up with f*cking islamic rules are ready to rise up and send these f*cking murderers to hell next to devil they have been serving all their lives but they just need support from the West. The West must end its political and economic support of Islamic Republic. Biden released 6 billion dollars to Mullahs regime just last year. Hope Biden joins Carter in Hell. F*ck democrats.

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 Hope Biden joins Carter in Hell. F*ck democrats.

Tell us what you really think, and do not hold back lol.

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19 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

lol....where do you come up with this?

I have it from reliable sources. These are facts. Carter wanted to end hostage crisis and it is a fact that Shah's plane on route to Egypt was delayed even stopped and waited for hours in the middle of Pacific Ocean on the orders by CIA. He wanted to exchange the Shah for hostages and claim victory and re-elected. He was a deceiving son of a b*tch claiming to be religious and on the side of human rights just like many clergy we see these days and have seen in the history.

Edited December 31, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Tell us what you really think, and do not hold back lol.

Lol, I can't tell in public how I really feel.

[herbie]

Some people are sp lacking in class they go out of their way to speak ill of the dead.
The orst President ever was just re-elected by people like that.

 

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On 12/31/2024 at 5:13 PM, herbie said:

Some people are sp lacking in class they go out of their way to speak ill of the dead.
The orst President ever was just re-elected by people like that.

 

It is so idi*tic sitting in your your position and making comments like this when you are not the one who was burned and  his life and his family's destroyed as a result of actions by this individual. Carter's stupidity and selfishness for re-election resulted in the terrorists taking over and millions of deaths and tens of millions more sufferings in the few decades that followed his presidency. Yes I am sure that Jews have no class either (based on your stupid comment) when they speak of dead Hitler.

Down with the leftists.

Edited January 2, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

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15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Down with the leftists

Fùck that. Kill all the righties.

[herbie]

It seems that many consider a$$holiness a vital component of being "right" and has something to do with conservatism.
To the willingness to invent the suffering caused by Jimmy Carter and even associate his name with with Hitler.

I have yet to see a poster accused of being "left" this demented and shitbtained.

[CITIZEN_2015]

You guy is well known for your leftist anti-Israel anti-West posts all over the forum and most readers consider you as the demented one. That said not knowing the consequences of Carter's weakness and the Middle East that he created that 50 years later we still witness war and death and hatred and terrorism even after you are told in detains with historical facts demonstrate your stupidity. Carter too was a democrat and a leftist but your ideal persons are Karl Marx and Stalin so f*ck them both as well.

A proper response was for you to post and outlined the good deeds of Carter like the Israel-Egypt peace treaty he was the architect or his contributions after presidency in making houses for the poor and homeless instead of making personal attacks but you are too stupid to know of these facts or how to post your opposition.

Leftists have been and are traitors to their own country and nation and I have only four words. Shut the F*ck off.

Edited January 3, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

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5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Fùck that. Kill all the righties.

Down with something is attacking the ideology but when you use the word "kill", you are wishing the death of people believe in an ideology. I know you are on the left but never expected this from you eyeball as I have read your posts past many years you were a moderate.