Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 Some may have heard of Scott Ritter in the past. He was a former U.S. Marine Intelligence Officer, a former U.N. Weapons Inspector and is currently a journalist who is quite knowledgeable on certain global conflicts, in particular the war in Ukraine. Some, however, choose to focus solely on the fact that he was the subject of 2 law enforcement sting operations. Wikipedia sums it up: ** Arrests and conviction for sex offenses Ritter was the subject of two law enforcement sting operations in 2001.[39] He was charged in June 2001 with trying to set up a meeting with an undercover police officer posing as a 16-year-old girl.[40][41] He was charged with a misdemeanor crime of "attempted endangerment of the welfare of a child". The charge was dismissed and the record was sealed after he completed six months of pre-trial probation.[41][8] Ritter was arrested again in November 2009[42] over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site. Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer repeatedly identified himself as a 15-year-old girl.[5] The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on $25,000 unsecured bail. Charges included "unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation".[2] Ritter rejected a plea bargain and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a courtroom in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, on April 14, 2011.[5][43] In October 2011, he received a sentence of one and a half to five and a half years in prison.[3] He was sent to Laurel Highlands state prison in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, in March 2012 and paroled in September 2014.[4][7][8] ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter#Arrests_and_conviction_for_sex_offenses Now if that's all he had ever done, that'd be one thing, but as mentioned already, he was also a well regarded U.S. Marine Intelligence Officer, U.N. Weapons Inspector, and now, a very respected journalist, at least by people I personally respect, and also has his own substack page where he posts many articles on subjects like the Ukraine war that I think are quite good. In September, he posted an article regarding the proxy war between the U.S. and Russia that I brought up in a thread here, namely this one: SCOTT RITTER: 72 Minutes | Consortium News I thought it was quite good, but as has happened many times, someone decided to focus solely on Ritter's arrests and conviction instead of anything he's done before or since. Anyway, I decided to make this thread to try to have a respectful debate with people who have generally been respectful with me, and also as a sort of bookmark to direct anyone who can't seem to focus on anything but the aforementioned arrests and conviction. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 I think that the terms of public forgiveness are fraught with bias. People on here condemned entire political parties because there was an abuser in their midst. Even the Catholic RELIGION (not the same as the CHURCH) was condemned. Do a favour and suggest a kind of universal rule that might transcend tribal inclinations. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I think that the terms of public forgiveness are fraught with bias. People on here condemned entire political parties because there was an abuser in their midst. Even the Catholic RELIGION (not the same as the CHURCH) was condemned. Do a favour and suggest a kind of universal rule that might transcend tribal inclinations. I think what I like to call Spoc's rule (Star Trek, and I know he didn't come up with it first) applies: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." When I think of people, I try to think of what they bring to the community. If the good they bring to a community is more then what they take away, they get a pass in my book. Scott Ritter certainly made some mistakes in the aughts (the period between 2001 and 2009), but I think that even then, he did far more good then bad. I also highly suspect that the -reason- he's been targetted so often has frequently been -because- he was doing good things that annoyed some powerful people. It may also be because of the repercussions he faced that he engaged in at least some of the bad decisions he made in online chat forums. There's a good article on Scott Ritter from the New York Times that I think is quite revealing in some ways. Quoting from it: ** The timing of the revelations about Ritter’s two-year-old arrests, which somehow became public just as the administration was preparing to invade Iraq, certainly seemed to indicate that his political adversaries meant to destroy his credibility. The charges made international news and effectively ended any hope Ritter had of becoming a public intellectual or a war correspondent. He continued churning out op-eds and books (six in all), but he struggled to pay his bills, and his role as an advocate receded to the point where he was talking to only a small community of policy experts. In the years after, Ritter sought other outlets for his energies. He and Marina joined Delmar’s volunteer Fire Department (he as a firefighter and she as an E.M.T.), and Ritter became one of its most active members, eventually selected as an assistant chief. In the hours left to himself, though, Ritter struggled. According to court testimony, by 2004, when he stopped attending therapy, Ritter had made an almost daily habit of trying to meet adult women from the chat rooms, in cars or out-of-the-way places, so they could watch him masturbate. (Ritter maintains that he never engaged with an actual minor online, and there’s no evidence to suggest he did, beyond his interactions with undercover police officers in chat rooms for over-18-year-olds.) In 2007, he started using the webcam instead. He admits he couldn’t stop. “I always sort of chuckle when people say, ‘What were you thinking?’ ” Ritter told me. “Well, what part of ‘depressed’ don’t you understand? Find me someone who says depressed people engage in coherent thought.” ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times Edited November 16, 2024 by phoenyx75 Added information Quote
User Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Some, however, choose to focus solely on the fact that he was the subject of 2 law enforcement sting operations. This is an understatement. He was caught, arrested, and convicted by a jury for trying to engage in online sexual acts with a minor. Those 2 LEO "sting operations" were also attempts by him to solicit sex with a minor. I mean yeah, people in society tend to frown on adult men trying to exploit minors for sex. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, User said: 8 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Some may have heard of Scott Ritter in the past. He was a former U.S. Marine Intelligence Officer, a former U.N. Weapons Inspector and is currently a journalist who is quite knowledgeable on certain global conflicts, in particular the war in Ukraine. Some, however, choose to focus solely on the fact that he was the subject of 2 law enforcement sting operations. This is an understatement. He was caught, arrested, and convicted by a jury for trying to engage in online sexual acts with a minor. Those 2 LEO "sting operations" were also attempts by him to solicit sex with a minor. I mean yeah, people in society tend to frown on adult men trying to exploit minors for sex. First of all, there were only 2 sting operations he was involved in. Secondly, there is no indication that Mr. Ritter was trying to exploit any minors. As Matt Bai, writing for the New York Times put it: ** Ritter maintains that he never engaged with an actual minor online, and there’s no evidence to suggest he did, beyond his interactions with undercover police officers in chat rooms for over-18-year-olds. ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times Secondly, he testified that in both cases, he thought that the undercover officer wasn't a minor, which was true. If any other adults other than law enforcement officers had pretended to be minors, he wouldn't have been charged with anything. A question that few tend to ask is why did Ryan Venneman, the second undercover officer, choose to "spend some time hunting for sexual predators online"? Why did he just so happen to pick the adult chat site that Mr. Ritter was in and why is it that he started to chat with Mr. Ritter instead of others that were presumably around? And then there's the fact that prior to Mr. Ritter's fall from grace by the powers that be, he hadn't engaged in any of these actions. A bit more from Matt Bai's article: ** In the years after he resigned as a weapons inspector in Iraq, after he changed his mind about the likelihood that Hussein was stockpiling weapons, Ritter briefly basked in the adulation of America’s liberal aristocracy. He was asked to speak at Hollywood fund-raisers; at one, he recalled, Barbra Streisand “sequestered” him for 40 minutes, and then Warren Beatty drove Ritter to his house for homemade chili and a 90-minute political discussion. Streisand, he said, later invited him and Marina to one of her retirement concerts, in New York, where the Ritters were ushered backstage for a private reunion. But what Ritter really needed was a paying job. A much-maligned documentary about Iraq, which he made in 2000 with the dubious financial backing of an Iraqi businessman living in Detroit, failed miserably and plunged him into debt. His ambition was to land a fellowship for which he could write papers and fly off to conferences, or to get some steady gig as a TV commentator, or to dash across the globe on assignment for a glossy magazine. But the Council on Foreign Relations hired Richard Butler instead, and NBC stopped using him as a TV analyst, and Vanity Fair’s editors would only spring for lunch. He wasn’t so much an academic or a journalist as he was a peace activist, something for which think tanks and networks had little use. ** Had Scott Ritter been able to get a well paying job after his brave work in pointing out that the Weapons of Mass Destruction bit was false, rather than essentially becoming jobless, I can easily imagine that he would never have ended up in 2 sting operations. Finally, there are other issues that suggest powerful people wanted Ritter disgraced. Case in point- who unsealed his previous arrests back in 2003? Again Matt Bai elaborates: ** In the days leading up to Ritter’s sentencing in the last week of October, a significant development suddenly brought him new hope. Responding to an appeal from Ritter’s lawyers, a panel of appellate judges in New York ruled unanimously that the files from his 2001 arrest should never have been unsealed and used in his trial. This presented a legal quandary between two neighboring states; the records from Ritter’s arrests in New York were now under seal once again, but in the meantime they had been instrumental in convicting Ritter in Pennsylvania. His lawyers — Gary Kohlman, a white-collar trial lawyer in Washington, and Todd Henry, a Philadelphia-based specialist in sex crimes — filed a motion asking the judge in Pennsylvania to throw out the conviction. ** The judge didn't throw it out though. Why? Who knows. Perhaps she was just really against anyone who would agree to do something sexual with someone who said they were a minor. Then again, perhaps some powerful individual persuaded her to convict him regardless. Evidence that seems to support this is that she even decided that Scott Ritter should be classified as a violent predator "despite having never displayed a sexually violent tendency", as Matt Bai put it. Food for thought. Edited November 16, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
User Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 10 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: Secondly, there is no indication that Mr. Ritter was trying to exploit any minors. LOL, sure, other than the fact that he was tried and convicted of doing just that, found guilty by a jury. I have watched a ton of those To Catch a Predator shows with Chris Hansen. Guess what 99% of them try to claim? That they didn't know it was a minor or that of course they knew they were not a minor or that they were just coming there to save them. Then the undercover officers and operatives show you the chat room messages and where it was clear as day they were looking to have sex with a minor. You can sit here trying to relitigate this case on an online forum all you want to, but you don't get to sit here saying there was no indication he was trying to exploit any minors. That is flat out false. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 9 minutes ago, User said: 23 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: Secondly, there is no indication that Mr. Ritter was trying to exploit any minors. LOL, sure, other than the fact that he was tried and convicted of doing just that, found guilty by a jury. No, he was convicted of sexting with an adult undercover police officer. Furthermore, he testified that he never believed the person he was chatting with was a minor. 18 minutes ago, User said: I have watched a ton of those To Catch a Predator shows with Chris Hansen. Guess what 99% of them try to claim? That they didn't know it was a minor or that of course they knew they were not a minor or that they were just coming there to save them. Then the undercover officers and operatives show you the chat room messages and where it was clear as day they were looking to have sex with a minor. Well, from what I've seen of the transcript between Mr. Ritter and Mr Venneman, the undercover LEO in the case that got Mr. Ritter convicted, I saw no indication that Mr. Ritter was looking for a minor. Had he been, I doubt he would have been frequenting an adult chat room to start with. Matt Bai, reporting for the New York Times, believes that the only reason he got time was because he refused to plead guilty. From his article: ** It’s tempting to try to find some deeper connection between Ritter’s public crusade and his most private transgressions. Does he simply crave attention wherever he can get it? Does he need to feel admired? If there is a connection between Ritter the activist and Ritter the accused, though, it probably lies in the uncompromising, even heedless way in which he insists on his version of reality, and how he sees himself always as the victim of a system that is self-evidently corrupt. “I’m someone who believes the truth needs to be heard,” Ritter told me. “And if I’m empowered with the truth, I’m not going to shut up.” Such stridency has repercussions. Taken in isolation, this latest case against Ritter — the one in Pennsylvania stemming from Ryan Venneman’s sting — is hardly the kind of thing that lands you on “America’s Most Wanted.” It’s not as though Ritter, who is the father of twin 19-year-old daughters, was trolling an adolescent site looking to prey on minors. Nor did he ever hint at meeting with the fictional Emily face to face. There’s little question the man needs help, but such cases are routinely disposed of through plea bargains, and prosecutors in Ritter’s case were willing, initially, to let him escape with a single guilty plea, which may well have meant probation rather than jail. Especially given Ritter’s previous arrests in New York, this seems to have been a more-than-equitable resolution, and most accused sex offenders in the age of Megan’s Law would probably have jumped at it. But Ritter has forcefully insisted all along that he did nothing wrong, beyond betraying Marina’s trust. “Why would I plead guilty to something I didn’t do?” he asked me, when I raised the issue of a plea arrangement. I suggested he might have done it to avoid going to jail. “No,” he replied. “Wrong answer. Then I’m not a man. Then I’m not a human being.” At trial, Ritter told the jury that he assumed Venneman was a housewife pretending to be 15, and that he had never for a moment believed he was talking to a minor ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times Quote
herbie Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 Sex with a minor? Hell these people elected a multiple sex offender and convicted fraudster President. That's nothing. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 36 minutes ago, herbie said: Sex with a minor? Hell these people elected a multiple sex offender and convicted fraudster President. That's nothing. The sad thing is that there's no evidence that Mr. Ritter ever did anything inappropriate with a minor. All he did was agree to meet an undercover cop in the first instance and expose himself to another in the second. No minors were involved. As to Trump, I definitely believe there's good evidence that he did in fact rape a minor: The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained | Vox That being said, evidence is not proof. And if he can avoid nuclear Armageddon in Ukraine and perhaps even help end the war there before the end of his term, I suspect he may well have been the better pick between him and Kamala. I'm also quite happy with some of his cabinet nominations, most notably that of RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard. I suspect that Matt Gaetz might also be good, but I know that he has allegations of his own to contend with. Still, allegations aren't proof. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: 10 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: I've seen no evidence he's ever done anything innapropriate with a minor. Ex-UN Inspector sentenced to prison for online sex case Ex-UN inspector guilty of sex with children Ritter was caught by authorities twice, trying to solicit sex from minors. Once in 2001, and again in 2009. He spent 2 1/2 years in prison. Ritter is a unrepentant paedophile. No, he wasn't. In the first case, he was caught trying to meet up with an adult undercover cop. In the second instance, he was caught exposing himself to an undercover cop. He claims in both instances that he believed that they were both adults. Which they were. The only reason these incidents even happened is because undercover cops chose to enter the adult chat rooms() Mr. Ritter was in. There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ritter was actually looking to do anything sexual with an actual minor. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he wasn't. In the first case, he was caught trying to meet up with an adult undercover cop. "In 2001, Ritter was involved in two other similar sex sting cases, prosecutor Michael Rakaczewski said in his opening statement. Defense attorney Gary Kohlman said Ritter was never charged in 2001 and that those cases had been sealed. Kohlman also blamed Ritter’s behavior in 2001 on his state of depression over resigning as chief U.N. weapons inspector." source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220307204810/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sex-ritter-idUKTRE73B7PG20110412 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: In the second instance, he was caught exposing himself to an undercover cop. "According to court testimony, by 2004 when he stopped attending therapy for clinical depression, he had made an almost daily habit of trying to meet women from internet chat rooms, in cars or out-of-the-way places, so they could watch him masturbate." "Ritter was convicted in 2011 in Monroe County, Pa., after Barrett Township police presented evidence that in 2009 he had masturbated in front of a webcam being viewed by an undercover officer who was posing as a 15-year-old girl." 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: He claims in both instances that he believed that they were both adults. All paedophiles use that excuse. He was under the impression in both cases, he was meeting 15 year old girls for sex, and proceeded to masturbate on cam to them. If someone gets caught in two Police stings, soliciting sex from underage girls, imagine how many times he actually went through with this, and was not caught? 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ritter was actually looking to do anything sexual with an actual minor. Actually, there are binders full of chat logs indicating that Mr Ritter, who was 48 years old at the time, was trying to meet up with underage girls for sex. He was found guilty by a jury, and sentenced to prison for his disgusting crimes. He served roughly 30 months in prison. Scott Ritter is an unrepentant sexual predator, and I am convinced he could very well be doing this type of thing again. Ritter has a history of blaming everyone else for his criminal behaviour. Edited November 16, 2024 by DUI_Offender 1 Quote
User Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he was convicted of sexting with an adult undercover police officer. Furthermore, he testified that he never believed the person he was chatting with was a minor. It is not against the law to sext with another adult. That is not what he was convicted of. Again, you can try to relitigate the case here all you want, but your distortion of what occurred is not factual. As I pointed out, almost all of these perverts try to claim anything to get away with their perversions. 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: I saw no indication that Mr. Ritter was looking for a minor. Looking for a minor? Its comical how you keep playing these dishonest games. "On February 7, 2009, Detective Ryan Venneman of the Barrett Township Police Department was conducting undercover operations investigating the crime of internet sexual exploitation of children in a Yahoo Instant Messenger chat room. Detective Venneman was acting as a young female named “Emily” when he was contacted online by Ritter, posing as “delmarm4fun,” a 44-year-old male from Albany, New York. At the onset of the online chat, “Emily” specifically identified herself to Ritter as a 15-year-old female from the Poconos." https://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2013/975-eda-2012.html Why are you here defending this crap? 1 Quote
User Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 1 hour ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he wasn't. In the first case, he was caught trying to meet up with an adult undercover cop. In the second instance, he was caught exposing himself to an undercover cop. He claims in both instances that he believed that they were both adults. Which they were. The only reason these incidents even happened is because undercover cops chose to enter the adult chat rooms() Mr. Ritter was in. There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ritter was actually looking to do anything sexual with an actual minor. Are you kidding me? Be honest, what were those adult undercover cops portraying themselves as? This is how they catch sexual predators, because it is immoral and wrong to actually use children as bait. These sting operations, every step of the way, portray themselves as children and the undercover officers look like children. They go into these chat rooms to portray children to catch predators looking for children in the chat rooms. This is not some consensual role playing exercise where he knew they were adults and they were acting like children for him. Every step of the way, they portray themselves as children. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 11 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Now if that's all he had ever done, that'd be one thing, but as mentioned already, he was also a well regarded U.S. Marine Intelligence Officer, U.N. Weapons Inspector, and now, a very respected journalist, at least by people I personally respect, and also has his own substack page where he posts many articles on subjects like the Ukraine war that I think are quite good. In September, he posted an article regarding the proxy war between the U.S. and Russia that I brought up in a thread here, namely this one: Scott Ritter is definitely not well regarded by anyone. He is a disgraced ex-UN inspector, who sold out his country, and is paid off by Russia to spread false and harmful narratives in America. There is a reason his residence was raided by the FBI and passport seized this year. He is a danger, and a traitor to his country. On top of that, he is a sex offender. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he wasn't. In the first case, he was caught trying to meet up with an adult undercover cop. "In 2001, Ritter was involved in two other similar sex sting cases, prosecutor Michael Rakaczewski said in his opening statement. Defense attorney Gary Kohlman said Ritter was never charged in 2001 and that those cases had been sealed. Kohlman also blamed Ritter’s behavior in 2001 on his state of depression over resigning as chief U.N. weapons inspector." source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220307204810/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sex-ritter-idUKTRE73B7PG20110412 You're right, Ritter was involved in 2 sting operations in 2001. I think the reason I said 1 was that he was apparently only charged in one of them. This conflicts with your own source, which states that he wasn't charged at all in 2001. Here's what Wikipedia says: ** Ritter was the subject of two law enforcement sting operations in 2001.[44] He was charged in June 2001 with trying to set up a meeting with an undercover police officer posing as a 16-year-old girl.[45][46] He was charged with a misdemeanor crime of "attempted endangerment of the welfare of a child". The charge was dismissed and the record was sealed after he completed six months of pre-trial probation.[46][7] ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter Another thing, your article backs up what I was saying previously, that his behaviour was caused by his depression. I didn't know that it was apparently specifically tied to his resigning as Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector. Edited November 17, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: In the second instance, he was caught exposing himself to an undercover cop. "According to court testimony, by 2004 when he stopped attending therapy for clinical depression, he had made an almost daily habit of trying to meet women from internet chat rooms, in cars or out-of-the-way places, so they could watch him masturbate." I imagine you got that from Wikipedia's entry on Scott Ritter, as it has that precise passage. I see that you snipped off the last sentence in the paragraph though, which reads: "He has blamed this behavior on his ongoing depression." 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: "Ritter was convicted in 2011 in Monroe County, Pa., after Barrett Township police presented evidence that in 2009 he had masturbated in front of a webcam being viewed by an undercover officer who was posing as a 15-year-old girl." Not sure where you got that quote, but I suspect you got it from one of Wikipedia's sources for their article on Scott Ritter, an article by Rick Karlin that was published in Times Union- it's exactly the same, only it has "He" instead of "Ritter" at the start of the paragraph. In any case, no one's debating his conviction, I mentioned it in the opening post of this thread. However, as your source points out, no minor was actually involved. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: He claims in both instances that he believed that they were both adults. All paedophiles use that excuse. If I had a dollar for all the unsubstantiated assertions I've heard -.- But go ahead, just -try- and prove that assertion. We're not even getting into the fact that you haven't even established that he's a pedophile to begin with. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: He was under the impression in both cases, he was meeting 15 year old girls for sex, and proceeded to masturbate on cam to them. First of all, he only masturbated to the last undercover officer, Venneman to be precise. Secondly, you've presented no evidence that Mr. Ritter thought that any of the undercover officers he chatted with were underage. As a matter of fact, he testified to that effect: ** At trial, Ritter told the jury that he assumed Venneman was a housewife pretending to be 15, and that he had never for a moment believed he was talking to a minor, despite the fact that “Emily” repeatedly stated her age. When prosecutors were successful in moving to unseal his New York files and presented evidence from those arrests too, Ritter steadfastly maintained that he was aware, in both instances, that he was talking to undercover cops. ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: If someone gets caught in two Police stings, soliciting sex from underage girls, imagine how many times he actually went through with this, and was not caught? There's absolutely no evidence that he was looking for underage girls at all. Matt Bai, writing for the New York Times, makes this quite clear: ** According to court testimony, by 2004, when he stopped attending therapy, Ritter had made an almost daily habit of trying to meet adult women from the chat rooms, in cars or out-of-the-way places, so they could watch him masturbate. (Ritter maintains that he never engaged with an actual minor online, and there’s no evidence to suggest he did, beyond his interactions with undercover police officers in chat rooms for over-18-year-olds.) In 2007, he started using the webcam instead. He admits he couldn’t stop. “I always sort of chuckle when people say, ‘What were you thinking?’ ” Ritter told me. “Well, what part of ‘depressed’ don’t you understand? Find me someone who says depressed people engage in coherent thought.” ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ritter was actually looking to do anything sexual with an actual minor. Actually, there are binders full of chat logs indicating that Mr Ritter, who was 48 years old at the time, was trying to meet up with underage girls for sex. You've made a few unsubstantiated and erroneous assertions already, I suspect this is just one more. But if you actually have -evidence- for your assertion, by all means present it. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: He was found guilty by a jury, and sentenced to prison for his disgusting crimes. He was indeed found guilty by a jury, but I've seen no evidence that he was convicted for what -you- think he did. As Rick Karlin, who I suspect you quoted, stated: "He was convicted in 2011 in Monroe County, Pa., after Barrett Township police presented evidence that in 2009 he had masturbated in front of a webcam being viewed by an undercover officer who was posing as a 15-year-old girl." That's all he was convicted for. 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Scott Ritter is an unrepentant sexual predator Yet another unsubstantiated assertion -.- Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 5 hours ago, User said: 7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he was convicted of sexting with an adult undercover police officer. Furthermore, he testified that he never believed the person he was chatting with was a minor. It is not against the law to sext with another adult. That depends on the adult and what they're pretending to be. If the adult is an undercover officer pretending to be a minor, then yes, it is definitely against the law to sext them, at least in the U.S. If it wasn't, Mr. Ritter would never have been charged, let alone convicted. 5 hours ago, User said: Again, you can try to relitigate the case here all you want, but your distortion of what occurred is not factual. You seem to be suggesting that something I've said wasn't factual. Is that the case? And if so, which statement(s) of mine do you think aren't factual? Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 6 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: You've made a few unsubstantiated and erroneous assertions already, I suspect this is just one more. But if you actually have -evidence- for your assertion, by all means present it. I do not think you understand the law. Ritter was found guilty in a court of law. Once one is convicted of a crime such as soliciting sex from (what Ritter thought were) underage girls, you cannot claim it was unsubstantiated. His guilt proves that it was indeed substantiated. You are also ignorant of the fact that this was his second time being arrested for soliciting sex from underage girls. 6 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: He was indeed found guilty by a jury, but I've seen no evidence that he was convicted for what -you- think he did. As Rick Karlin, who I suspect you quoted, stated: "He was convicted in 2011 in Monroe County, Pa., after Barrett Township police presented evidence that in 2009 he had masturbated in front of a webcam being viewed by an undercover officer who was posing as a 15-year-old girl." That's all he was convicted for. Yet another unsubstantiated assertion -.- Yes, because as we know, all persons convicted of crimes by a judge and jury, are 100% innocent of their crimes....*rolls eyes* Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 5 hours ago, User said: 7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Well, from what I've seen of the transcript between Mr. Ritter and Mr Venneman, the undercover LEO in the case that got Mr. Ritter convicted, I saw no indication that Mr. Ritter was looking for a minor. Looking for a minor? Its comical how you keep playing these dishonest games. "On February 7, 2009, Detective Ryan Venneman of the Barrett Township Police Department was conducting undercover operations investigating the crime of internet sexual exploitation of children in a Yahoo Instant Messenger chat room. Detective Venneman was acting as a young female named “Emily” when he was contacted online by Ritter, posing as “delmarm4fun,” a 44-year-old male from Albany, New York. At the onset of the online chat, “Emily” specifically identified herself to Ritter as a 15-year-old female from the Poconos." https://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2013/975-eda-2012.html Your quoted text lacks certain crucial details. For one, the type of chat room Mr. Ritter and undercover officer Venneman were in. Fortunately, Matt Bai from the New York Times clarifies: ** Venneman entered a Yahoo chat room, where the minimum legal age is supposed be 18, and passed himself off as a teenager named Emily. ** Source: Scott Ritter’s Other War | The New York Times Had Mr. Ritter truly been looking to sext a minor, it doesn't make sense that he'd be in an adult chat room where minors aren't supposed to be. Furthermore, Venneman's "Emily" profile stated that she was 24. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 4 hours ago, User said: 6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: No, he wasn't. In the first case, he was caught trying to meet up with an adult undercover cop. In the second instance, he was caught exposing himself to an undercover cop. He claims in both instances that he believed that they were both adults. Which they were. The only reason these incidents even happened is because undercover cops chose to enter the adult chat rooms() Mr. Ritter was in. There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ritter was actually looking to do anything sexual with an actual minor. Are you kidding me? I am not. 4 hours ago, User said: Be honest, what were those adult undercover cops portraying themselves as? Minors, but as we both know, they were not. Mr. Ritter has testified that he never believed they were minors as well. Had these undercover officers not been pretending to be minors, Mr. Ritter wouldn't have even been charged, let alone convicted. Furthermore, there's a strong case that these stings were essentially entrapment. For anyone who doesn't know the definition of the term: ** Entrapment is a practice in which a law enforcement agent or an agent of the state induces a person to commit a crime that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.[1] In US law, it is defined as "the conception and planning of an offense by an officer or agent, and the procurement of its commission by one who would not have perpetrated it except for the trickery, persuasion or fraud of the officer or state agent".[2] Police conduct rising to the level of entrapment is broadly discouraged and thus, in many jurisdictions, is available as a defense against criminal liability. Sting operations, through which police officers or agents engage in deception to try to catch persons who are committing crimes, raise concerns about possible entrapment.[3] ** Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 47 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: That depends on the adult and what they're pretending to be. If the adult is an undercover officer pretending to be a minor, then yes, it is definitely against the law to sext them, at least in the U.S. If it wasn't, Mr. Ritter would never have been charged, let alone convicted. You seem to be suggesting that something I've said wasn't factual. Is that the case? And if so, which statement(s) of mine do you think aren't factual? Well you are failing to convince anyone that Scott Ritter is not a sex offender. He was arrested in sting operations, with the intentions of having sex with underage girls, both in 2001, and again in 2009. Ritter was CONVICTED and sentenced to 5 1/2 years in JAIL. Ritter served 2 1/2 years in JAIL for his crimes. End of story. Edited November 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 FBI agents search Scott Ritter's upstate New York home By Spectrum News Staff Albany County PUBLISHED 6:18 PM ET Aug. 07, 2024 Several Federal Bureau of Investigation agents searched the Delmar home of area native and former United Nations weapons inspector Scott Ritter on Wednesday. Several boxes of materials were removed in the raid on the Dover Drive property, which the FBI said was part of an ongoing federal investigation. While Ritter worked as chief weapons inspector in Iraq during the 1990s, he later served time in prison and then became an author and critic. Ritter served three years in a Pennsylvania prison. He was convicted following an online sex sting for having a sexually explicit conversation with a person who Ritter thought was a 15-year-old girl. On Wednesday, Ritter emerged from his home and told reporters the FBI executed a search warrant related to the Foreign Agents Registration Act. The act requires "certain agents of foreign principals who are engaged in political activities or other activities specified under the statute to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities," according to the U.S. Justice Department. Ritter said he had not violated the act, and claimed he was being targeted for statements he's made about U.S. policy on Ukraine. "I’m being targeted because I have made an effort to try and improve relations between the United States and Russia, try to bring about arms control, try to bring about peace," he said. U.S. officials seized Ritter's passport in June, according to published reports confirmed by Ritter on Wednesday. source: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2024/08/07/fbi-agents-search-scott-ritter-s-upstate-new-york-home ----- Looks like Scott Ritter, is still being a very naughty boy, as of 2024. I wonder if he will go back to the big house soon. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, User said: This is how they catch sexual predators, because it is immoral and wrong to actually use children as bait. I certainly agree that using children as bait is wrong, though I have read that LOEs have done this in the past, though I've only heard of this rarely, and generally not in the U.S. That doesn't mean they should entrap men by pretending to be minors themselves though. I know that Florida police have made a money making scheme out of doing it: To Entrap an Innocent | The Atlantic Edited November 17, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
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