gender equity gone too far

[Drea]

Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

Men prove they are men by how much they know about football?

My very masculine hubby does not have any interest in sports.

Loves to go fishing and target practicing (with a rifle) with our son but that's about it.

I know more about Hockey than he does. GO CANUCKS!

[JerrySeinfeld]

Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

Men prove they are men by how much they know about football?

My very masculine hubby does not have any interest in sports.

Loves to go fishing and target practicing (with a rifle) with our son but that's about it.

I know more about Hockey than he does. GO CANUCKS!

WHY OH WHY are people so dead det on debunking stereotypes about genders. They're there for a reason. Yes they are generalizations and they do have exceptions, but they are GENERALLY accurate.

If someone spots a burgler and says "well, the perpetrator was wearing lipstick and tight clothing and ran all "dainty" like"...good chance it was a WOMAN!!!!

Sure, some moron will speak up with some obscure anecdote and say "my half-brother is a gay man and he wears lipstick and runs all dainty-like!"

Good for your half brother, we'll keep that in mind....lol

Coming up with exceptions to generalizations doesn't make them any less valid. It just establishes that there are exceptions.

GENERALLY men know more about sports than women.

GENERALLY men are stronger than women.

GENERALLY women are more emotionally demonstrative than men.

GENERALLY women are better at non-verbal communication than men.

GENERALLY men are better at focussing on tasks than women.

GENERALLY women are better multitaskers....

and on and on.

[Guest Warwick Green]

Coming up with exceptions to generalizations doesn't make them any less valid. It just establishes that there are exceptions.

GENERALLY men know more about sports than women.

GENERALLY men are stronger than women.

GENERALLY women are more emotionally demonstrative than men.

GENERALLY women are better at non-verbal communication than men.

GENERALLY men are better at focussing on tasks than women.

GENERALLY women are better multitaskers....

and on and on.

Generalizations true, but not absolutes.

Just because some women may not meet the physical requirements to be a (soldier, firefighter, cop, whatever) doesn't mean that ALL women should be denied access to such occupations. I hear this argument sometimes made in other contexts - because gay couples are less stable than heteros (or so the argument goes) no gay couples should be allowed to adopt.

An aside, for the longest time women weren't allowed to sports report because "they don't understand football, hockey, etc). Nobody believes that anymore, any more than people would suggest that just because one male sports figure is a clown (viz, Don Cherry) all male sports figures are also clowns.

It would also be nice to see the networks get the women away from the sidelines in NFL games and into the booth.

[Army Guy]

generalizations are fine but this was not a generalization but a statement of opinon. one not based on fact

Thats why, i really think woman should just stay at home (expecially when it comes to anything physical) they are not as strong and athletic as a guys, they get thier feelings hurt easier, they cry when they get mad, they gossip and talk behind people's backs like its nothing- and thats why they did stay up home up until the middle of the twentieth century. One day they people may start attempting to figure this out.

[Black Dog]

WHY OH WHY are people so dead det on debunking stereotypes about genders. They're there for a reason. Yes they are generalizations and they do have exceptions, but they are GENERALLY accurate.

People like to debunk sterotypes because they are innaccurate, self-fulfilling and often used to justify ridiculous beliefs and policies. The fact is, there is often more variance within gender groups than between them: in other words men may, on average, be physically stronger than women, but men in general aren't, necessarily.

[JerrySeinfeld]

WHY OH WHY are people so dead det on debunking stereotypes about genders. They're there for a reason. Yes they are generalizations and they do have exceptions, but they are GENERALLY accurate.

People like to debunk sterotypes because they are innaccurate, self-fulfilling and often used to justify ridiculous beliefs and policies. The fact is, there is often more variance within gender groups than between them: in other words men may, on average, be physically stronger than women, but men in general aren't, necessarily.

Get a grip.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Coming up with exceptions to generalizations doesn't make them any less valid. It just establishes that there are exceptions.

GENERALLY men know more about sports than women.

GENERALLY men are stronger than women.

GENERALLY women are more emotionally demonstrative than men.

GENERALLY women are better at non-verbal communication than men.

GENERALLY men are better at focussing on tasks than women.

GENERALLY women are better multitaskers....

and on and on.

Generalizations true, but not absolutes.

Just because some women may not meet the physical requirements to be a (soldier, firefighter, cop, whatever) doesn't mean that ALL women should be denied access to such occupations. I hear this argument sometimes made in other contexts - because gay couples are less stable than heteros (or so the argument goes) no gay couples should be allowed to adopt.

An aside, for the longest time women weren't allowed to sports report because "they don't understand football, hockey, etc). Nobody believes that anymore, any more than people would suggest that just because one male sports figure is a clown (viz, Don Cherry) all male sports figures are also clowns.

It would also be nice to see the networks get the women away from the sidelines in NFL games and into the booth.

Usually the colour commentator is someone who has actual game experience. As far as a woman doing the play by play, that would be fine as long as the market wants it.

Where are these "policies" that are in place because of gender stereotyping. Which policies are we talking about here?

And I never said gender generalizations were absolute. I can't think of anyone who says that! But most of them are pretty accurate in a GENERAL sense.

ie. men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

[Guest Warwick Green]

men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

They are not only better golfers they are better hockey players, tennis players, curlers, football players and basketball players. But being a good player doesn't make you a good commentator. Listen to the second string commentators (all ex-jocks) on the NFL broadcasts. Some of them are barely literate. Give me an incisive Mary Carillo over a bratty John McEnroe any day.

[JerrySeinfeld]

men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

They are not only better golfers they are better hockey players, tennis players, curlers, football players and basketball players. But being a good player doesn't make you a good commentator. Listen to the second string commentators (all ex-jocks) on the NFL broadcasts. Some of them are barely literate. Give me an incisive Mary Carillo over a bratty John McEnroe any day.

I like the commentators on NFL. Personal opinion i suppose.

Just a guess, but I think you'd be hard pressed to get the testosterone-laden NFL crowd (oops...another ACCURATE generalization) to accept a woman non-former-athlete to give their two cents between plays.

[Guest Warwick Green]

men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

They are not only better golfers they are better hockey players, tennis players, curlers, football players and basketball players. But being a good player doesn't make you a good commentator. Listen to the second string commentators (all ex-jocks) on the NFL broadcasts. Some of them are barely literate. Give me an incisive Mary Carillo over a bratty John McEnroe any day.

Who cares? I've been a Pats fan for as long as I can remember and I try to tune out all the macho stuff from the color guys. I couldn't care less who the networks hire.

[JerrySeinfeld]

men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

They are not only better golfers they are better hockey players, tennis players, curlers, football players and basketball players. But being a good player doesn't make you a good commentator. Listen to the second string commentators (all ex-jocks) on the NFL broadcasts. Some of them are barely literate. Give me an incisive Mary Carillo over a bratty John McEnroe any day.

Who cares? I've been a Pats fan for as long as I can remember and I try to tune out all the macho stuff from the color guys. I couldn't care less who the networks hire.

"macho stuff"?

hmmm. being a Canadian, I readily admit I don't know the game as well as americans do. like when nashville predators fans watch their team - many nashvillians probably don't get the game the way we do up here. but they've got Terry Crisp, former Calgary Flames coach and credible source, to tell them the indeosyncracies of each play.

I like the commentary - i find it educational and entertaining. my two cents.

[Black Dog]

Get a grip.

Grip is got. You're just the most pathetic example of a non-intellect around right now. For example:

ie. men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

Michelle Wie, a 16 year old girl, has played on 3 PGA tour event in the past few months, scoring better than 86 professional male golfers. Yoink.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Get a grip.

Grip is got. You're just the most pathetic example of a non-intellect around right now. For example:

ie. men are better golfers than women.

The VERY best woman golfer in the world (Anika Sorenstam), someonewho dominates women's golf way more than Tiger dominates men's golf, couldn't even make the weekend cut at the Coloniale.

Michelle Wie, a 16 year old girl, has played on 3 PGA tour event in the past few months, scoring better than 86 professional male golfers. Yoink.

Yes, we've all heard of Michelle Wie. Quite the amazing young prodigy. Soon maybe she'll make a cut on the men's tour. That would be really neat - a novelty, really

And this refutes the GENERALIZATION about men being better golfers than women how, exactly?

[Black Dog]

And this refutes the GENERALIZATION about men being better golfers than women how, exactly?

I'm not sure it does. I just wanted to point out that a 16 year old girl is a better golfer than you.

[JerrySeinfeld]

And this refutes the GENERALIZATION about men being better golfers than women how, exactly?

I'm not sure it does. I just wanted to point out that a 16 year old girl is a better golfer than you.

Yes - there is one out there in the world.

Good for the gals. One in....3 billion. Stop the presses - gender stereotyping has been DEBUNKED!!

[Black Dog]

Yes - there is one out there in the world.

Good for the gals. One in....3 billion. Stop the presses - gender stereotyping has been DEBUNKED!!

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, big guy.

Anyway, I went ove rthis thread again and was struck by your utter lack of a point. Do you have one? Really?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Yes - there is one out there in the world.

Good for the gals. One in....3 billion. Stop the presses - gender stereotyping has been DEBUNKED!!

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, big guy.

Anyway, I went ove rthis thread again and was struck by your utter lack of a point. Do you have one? Really?

Thanks "big guy"

here ya go...

WHY OH WHY are people so dead det on debunking stereotypes about genders. They're there for a reason. Yes they are generalizations and they do have exceptions, but they are GENERALLY accurate.

If someone spots a burgler and says "well, the perpetrator was wearing lipstick and tight clothing and ran all "dainty" like"...good chance it was a WOMAN!!!!

Sure, some moron will speak up with some obscure anecdote and say "my half-brother is a gay man and he wears lipstick and runs all dainty-like!"

(interjection):***or maybe some other moron will bring up a 1 in 3 billion girl who can outplay the bottom 1/4 of a PGA tour event***

Good for your half brother, we'll keep that in mind....lol

Coming up with exceptions to generalizations doesn't make them any less valid. It just establishes that there are exceptions.

GENERALLY men know more about sports than women.

GENERALLY men are stronger than women.

GENERALLY women are more emotionally demonstrative than men.

GENERALLY women are better at non-verbal communication than men.

GENERALLY men are better at focussing on tasks than women.

GENERALLY women are better multitaskers....

and on and on.

[piercj2]

I don't understand why some people can't comprehend the fact that some sterotypes are very accurate

specifically, Army Guy

Woman are biologically 60% as as strong as men ( sorry, thats a fact, if you want to argue find me any reliable evidence that proves otherwise)

Men and woman compete seperately in most sports, if they were equal they would compete together- Can woman jump like men? (what woman have you seen in basketball do anything besided a week one handed dunk-360, windmill, take off from the free- throw line, under the legs, Which ones?)

Males hold record times in any track and field event- (if anyone has evidence prove me wrong)

Is it males or females who have been fighting wars up until recently (even though some positions are still restricted from them). Technology has made it more possible for females to participate, but give me reliable examples of armies of woman who were powerful forces in history when wars were fought in more of a hand-to-hand manner. For gods sake, don't say Joan of Ark, the only example that is really legit.

Fact is, on average males are physically superior, therefore should be allowed to take part more in activities which are heavily physically burdensome, thats just fact

If females were physically, or mentally superior they would have been ruleing society for the last couple centuries instead of males- Why can't people recognize this

Last fact, woman will always complain about something. Weather they are not getting paid for equal work, not getting opportunites in the work-place, bitter single and desperate, not getting represented proportionately in the most prestigous jobs, nor getting enough attention, not getting paid enough for maternity leave, claiming guys don't pull thier wait around the house ect, ect, ect, ect, ect. When woman did not have jobs, they became desperate for jobs, when woman don't have equal pay or are not represented at the highest levels of the workforce they cry "Discrimination," when woman do get jobs they cry, "men are intimidated by woman with high earning potential," because they are bitter and single,-

CONCLUSION- woman will always complain about not having something because they cannot acheive what a man can acheive and be satisfied with who they are- they will never get there way because their way changes whenever they cannot acheive something and then blame someone or something for it-

That sounds like womans history in the last sixty years now doesen't it????

[Drea]

I don't understand why some people can't comprehend the fact that some sterotypes are very accurate

specifically, Army Guy

Woman are biologically 60% as as strong as men ( sorry, thats a fact, if you want to argue find me any reliable evidence that proves otherwise)

Men and woman compete seperately in most sports, if they were equal they would compete together- Can woman jump like men? (what woman have you seen in basketball do anything besided a week one handed dunk-360, windmill, take off from the free- throw line, under the legs, Which ones?)

Women are better at climbing... our lower centre of gravity makes it easier to balance...

Males hold record times in any track and field event- (if anyone has evidence prove me wrong)

Is it males or females who have been fighting wars up until recently (even though some positions are still restricted from them). Technology has made it more possible for females to participate, but give me reliable examples of armies of woman who were powerful forces in history when wars were fought in more of a hand-to-hand manner. For gods sake, don't say Joan of Ark, the only example that is really legit.

Uh, Margaret Thather, Golda Meir... I'm on my way to work, so no time to think of more....

Fact is, on average males are physically superior, therefore should be allowed to take part more in activities which are heavily physically burdensome, thats just fact

If females were physically, or mentally superior they would have been ruleing society for the last couple centuries instead of males- Why can't people recognize this

So brute force is how the society is run?

Hmmm.... So that little guy who is smaller than me -- I can control him with my brute force?

Last fact, woman will always complain about something. Weather they are not getting paid for equal work, not getting opportunites in the work-place, bitter single and desperate, not getting represented proportionately in the most prestigous jobs, nor getting enough attention, not getting paid enough for maternity leave, claiming guys don't pull thier wait around the house ect, ect, ect, ect, ect. When woman did not have jobs, they became desperate for jobs, when woman don't have equal pay or are not represented at the highest levels of the workforce they cry "Discrimination," when woman do get jobs they cry, "men are intimidated by woman with high earning potential," because they are bitter and single,-

Not all "working" women are bitter, not all "working" women are single. Many have husbands who support them in their careers. I am happily on my way to work...

By the way.... some paydays I have a bigger cheque than my man! Ha Ha!

CONCLUSION- woman will always complain about not having something because they cannot acheive what a man can acheive and be satisfied with who they are- they will never get there way because their way changes whenever they cannot acheive something and then blame someone or something for it-

That sounds like womans history in the last sixty years now doesen't it????

Satisified with who we are?

Can you please tell pierce -- who are we?

Are we equal members of society?

Are we equal partners in relationships?

Are we simply breeders?

Are we toys for men's consumption?

Pray tell!

[Army Guy]

piercj2:

I don't understand why some people can't comprehend the fact that some sterotypes are very accurate specifically, Army Guy

This was my quote i believe,

generalizations are fine but this was not a generalization but a statement of opinon. one not based on fact

Which was in response to your retarded remark...It is your opinion nothing more and one that is not based on fact. You'll just have to get used to the fact that there are women out there that can out perform men.

Thats why, i really think woman should just stay at home (expecially when it comes to anything physical) they are not as strong and athletic as a guys, they get thier feelings hurt easier, they cry when they get mad, they gossip and talk behind people's backs like its nothing- and thats why they did stay up home up until the middle of the twentieth century. One day they people may start attempting to figure this out.

Woman are biologically 60% as as strong as men ( sorry, thats a fact, if you want to argue find me any reliable evidence that proves otherwise)

WTF is your piont that a man the same statue of a women is 60 % stronger, OK big deal, i agree ...however having strength is not the end all be all. there is more to it. Drive, determination, and will can over power strength any day.

IE most women in the Infantry are between 110 and 130 lbs and carry loads nearing thier own body wieght, the avg Infantry male is between 150 and 180 lbs and carrys the same load of a 110 lbs on thier back.

My piont is if they want to do the JOB, they'll do it, and they should be given the oportunity to do so.

regardless of what your opinion is.

Is it males or females who have been fighting wars up until recently (even though some positions are still restricted from them). Technology has made it more possible for females to participate, but give me reliable examples of armies of woman who were powerful forces in history when wars were fought in more of a hand-to-hand manner. For gods sake, don't say Joan of Ark, the only example that is really legit.

You must of sleep during that class in history, or were you at the Gym pumping iron. You should really learn to do your own research before making stupid remarks about subjects you know little about.

My Webpage

Below is a few sites that list famous women that were in combat.

My Webpage

My Webpage

Perhaps you should also take a look at WWII in general, the Russian, Nazi, Polish, all used women in front

line units.

CONCLUSION- woman will always complain about not having something because they cannot acheive what a man can acheive and be satisfied with who they are- they will never get there way because their way changes whenever they cannot acheive something and then blame someone or something for it-

That sounds like womans history in the last sixty years now doesen't it????

Conclusion - You've based your beliefs on opinion not fact, your scared now that there may be a girl out there that can kick your ass, at anything you can do....time to grow up

[Black Dog]

Men and woman compete seperately in most sports, if they were equal they would compete together- Can woman jump like men? (what woman have you seen in basketball do anything besided a week one handed dunk-360, windmill, take off from the free- throw line, under the legs, Which ones?)

You don;t understand what the word "equal" means in the case of gender. Equality means no one should be denied any opportunity based on their gender. So even though, on average, women can't compete with men physically, that's no reason to actively exclude them.

(Incidentally, the vast majority of men are physically incapable of performing a one-handed, through the legs power dunk, so where does that leaves us?)

Fact is, on average males are physically superior, therefore should be allowed to take part more in activities which are heavily physically burdensome, thats just fact

When aren't men allowed to take part in physically burdensome activities?? the question is: should individual women be forbidden from such activities because of the capabilities of the average women? The answer is no.

Last fact, woman will always complain about something. Weather they are not getting paid for equal work, not getting opportunites in the work-place, bitter single and desperate, not getting represented proportionately in the most prestigous jobs, nor getting enough attention, not getting paid enough for maternity leave, claiming guys don't pull thier wait around the house ect, ect, ect, ect, ect

And don't even get him started about the uppity Negroes....

[piercj2]

Genius web-page Army Guy, just an absolute masterpiece! You site a couple of examples of a few woman who road into battle leading troops or participated in physical contact over hundreds of years- Now I am totally assured that woman Armies (as I said in my post implies GROUPS of woman) fighted consistently (REGULARLY, not one woman every two hundred years) throughout time. Citing a couple examples of ancient scripts that imply woman were used in battle and giving evidence that a couple woman participated in war over centuries is not a really eye opening or mind boggling, and doesen't mean much. Also, you diddn't even respond to half my post- and here are a couple of FACTS

1. Woman did rebel against society for jobs in the middle of the twentieth centruy because they were not happy at home

2. Many womans groups and organizations do still press the issue and cry "discrimination" to the fact that woman aren't represented in large numbers in the most prestigous careers and don't get paid equal money for their work

3. Many woman are bitter against men because of thier failed relationships, otherwise you would not have a prestigous New York times colonist, Mareen Dowd writing best selling novels like, "Are Men Nececary." Who do you think the book sold millions of copies too? Men?

All these facts lead to my conclusion with is true, woman always want something they don't have and tend to often blame men for thier short commings. (as I listed in examples above) It is not mens fault that woman are not at the highest levels in careers, its called work ethic. It is not mens fault that they get paid 20 percent less on average, its called dedication and working more than forty hours a week. And when woman hit thier thirties and are still single, it is not men's fault

Any way, I am somewhat against woman in general, becasue I just don't think they are as good hearted as men. I cannot tell you how many times I have had a class in or been in public in which woman are openly talking behind peoples backs, trying to draw attention to themselves, or just acting like idiots. Woman don't act respectfully often, and they should be treated that way. I want an honest answer from people on this page- Who is more likely to be fake and try and minipulate a situation or make someone look bad behind thier back? A man or a woman? Enough said....

[Drea]

Ok

We've been around and around this topic and we know that you hate women.

There is counselling for this type of anger. You really should go talk to your college guidance counsellor (probably a woman, but you can request a man).

I'm beginning to worry that you will go postal on your female college mates.

For that reason, I hope this website is being monitored by CSIS and I hope they come and investigate your anger towards women -- it's not only unhealthy, it's downright dangerous.

[piercj2]

Yes, that would make me feel alot better about myself if I hit a woman or did some thing outragous and stupid like that, or not, I am not violent, nor would I ever be toward a woman. I stick to everything that I say on these threads, but I hold on to human dignity in the real world in physical up front contact. Yet, the fact is, half of the people on these pages don't engage my threads and just go off subject (as you just did) and try to be sarcastic or insulting, and cannot face themselves with the real issue of the decline in relationships, childrearing, stable married families, increased cohabition and the fact that woman always do think something is going against them. In reality, it is sad that a woman does not think raising a child is real work in our world and has to try and make themselves feel better by trying to climb the economic ladder with no regard to the consequences of thier actions, or what gets left behind. 25 years from now when the divorce rate is 65 percent, woman are opressed even more in society because the economy is tougher and is not going to slow down because of thier child rearing needs, there are fewer marriges in general because the overwealming prevelence of cohabition and non commited relationships, fewer kids are brought into the world and even fewer are cared for proberly and our society is falling apart due these reasons you will look back at this thread and think deeply about it and realize the true reasons behind it. I don't hate woman, I hate the fact that they don't know who they are and have been brainwashed by feminists and others into thinking they have to do every thing like a mna do be considered an equal. Think about it now days-define woman? = 5 different answers for every person, because nobody knows anymore.

[RB]

I don't hate woman, I hate the fact that they don't know who they are and have been brainwashed by feminists and others into thinking they have to do every thing like a mna do be considered an equal.

Well, I don't believe women can compete effectively at men's strength and their power - "gasp", however females have started their conspiracy to bring the level of men down to be equal with women.

Why only today I overheard a little kid say to his dad "mom always takes me to the girls washroom, why didn't I go into the girls washroom dad"?, well the dad replied when you are with mom she takes you to the girls washroom, dad can only take you to the boys washroom.

If you are thinking that 65% of divorce rates are going to occur, imagine what will happen to the distraught males - they will become very feminize.