gender equity gone too far

[piercj2]

I was reading a couple of articles online that was talking about weather or not woman should be able to serve in combat in the military. Suprising there are alot of people (most all female) who actually think that woman should be able to be in direct combat in the military and who want to see this happen. Ok, woman have come along way in terms of thier career success, ect, but men are still just bigger, stronger, and more athletic than the average woman. Are there woman football, basketball, baseball, or wrestlers who go against men on the college level? Of course not, that is for a reason. I realize that woman want to be treated equally and want respect, but sooner or later they all there accusations and rebellions that they are equal or more superior at everything is going to come crashing down on them and turn men bitter against them. I mean woman were made a little smaller, a litte sweeter, and a little more sensitive for a reason, it just boggles my mind that so many of them think that they should be a total equal of a man, and then when there expectations fail, blame men for treating them bad. (article I read online about how the firt woman filed a lawsuit to enter the Citadel, and then almost collapsed and died when she had to train with men, literally almost died, and then she says-the guys will too hard on me-you are the one who filed the lawsuit and wanted it in the first place!!!) Ok, the point is this, if you want so bad to be equal to a man, then you are sooner or later going to be treated like a man. Men, hit men, men argue with men, men scream at other men, do woman really wanted to be treated like this? In ten years feminists will probably try to overule the law that prohibits men from sexually assulting woman, saying that they are the same and that they should be allowed to hit eachother. I just don't understand, relationships and marriage had already declined because of the tension between the genders, and one day it is literally going to go far and there will be woman getting beat up and disrespected all the time everywhere. Its just out of my soul to see the way some people view gender, like there is no difference, not even in obvious physical attributes that everyone can see like size, strenght and athletic ability. If there was not meant to be a difference in gender, god would have created man and then stopped, never making eve out of his rib. I know this sounds humerous, but I am just trying to look out for society in 30 years. I mean what compelled woman to not change for the first 350 years of civilization. I saw this girl crying at a bar a couple nights ago after her boyfreind screamed her down. I didn't know if I should feel sorry for her and have compassion, or feel like thats the way woman should and want to be treated? ALL thee issues really are influencing our society as we speak

[JerrySeinfeld]

I was reading a couple of articles online that was talking about weather or not woman should be able to serve in combat in the military. Suprising there are alot of people (most all female) who actually think that woman should be able to be in direct combat in the military and who want to see this happen. Ok, woman have come along way in terms of thier career success, ect, but men are still just bigger, stronger, and more athletic than the average woman. Are there woman football, basketball, baseball, or wrestlers who go against men on the college level? Of course not, that is for a reason. I realize that woman want to be treated equally and want respect, but sooner or later they all there accusations and rebellions that they are equal or more superior at everything is going to come crashing down on them and turn men bitter against them. I mean woman were made a little smaller, a litte sweeter, and a little more sensitive for a reason, it just boggles my mind that so many of them think that they should be a total equal of a man, and then when there expectations fail, blame men for treating them bad. (article I read online about how the firt woman filed a lawsuit to enter the Citadel, and then almost collapsed and died when she had to train with men, literally almost died, and then she says-the guys will too hard on me-you are the one who filed the lawsuit and wanted it in the first place!!!) Ok, the point is this, if you want so bad to be equal to a man, then you are sooner or later going to be treated like a man. Men, hit men, men argue with men, men scream at other men, do woman really wanted to be treated like this? In ten years feminists will probably try to overule the law that prohibits men from sexually assulting woman, saying that they are the same and that they should be allowed to hit eachother. I just don't understand, relationships and marriage had already declined because of the tension between the genders, and one day it is literally going to go far and there will be woman getting beat up and disrespected all the time everywhere. Its just out of my soul to see the way some people view gender, like there is no difference, not even in obvious physical attributes that everyone can see like size, strenght and athletic ability. If there was not meant to be a difference in gender, god would have created man and then stopped, never making eve out of his rib. I know this sounds humerous, but I am just trying to look out for society in 30 years. I mean what compelled woman to not change for the first 350 years of civilization. I saw this girl crying at a bar a couple nights ago after her boyfreind screamed her down. I didn't know if I should feel sorry for her and have compassion, or feel like thats the way woman should and want to be treated? ALL thee issues really are influencing our society as we speak

Women's Basketball and Hockey suck. Really, really suck.

[PocketRocket]

And your point is???

[piercj2]

Our society, and gener relationships, have gone or are going to hell. It is already proven in the divorce rates and the deline in marrying and increase in marrying age.

[Army Guy]

Women are already serving in the combat arms trades in Canada, most are doing well, then again i know men that arn't to thier standards. Saying that it's not for all women, or men..you need to want to be there.

And when it comes to taskings, there is no favorites they haul what ever the men haul. In Afgan a ruck sack can wiegh in at over 110 lbs. and they've done it.

Like all jobs those that can't do it are weeded out quickly, that includes the men as well. But it was not an easy road for the women that i can say for sure. I think opinon within the combat arms is changing about women, slowly.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Women are already serving in the combat arms trades in Canada, most are doing well, then again i know men that arn't to thier standards. Saying that it's not for all women, or men..you need to want to be there.

And when it comes to taskings, there is no favorites they haul what ever the men haul. In Afgan a ruck sack can wiegh in at over 110 lbs. and they've done it.

Like all jobs those that can't do it are weeded out quickly, that includes the men as well. But it was not an easy road for the women that i can say for sure. I think opinon within the combat arms is changing about women, slowly.

I think we should go the Affirmative Action route on this one.

For too long,women have been underrepresented in the military.

From this point forth, policy should dictate that for every man recruited, there should be three women recruited.

This policy should be maintained indefinitely until women are on equal footing with me in the military.

God help us...

[geoffrey]

I have no problem with an equally qualified woman in the Armed Force, Police Departments or Fire Departments.

There needs to be more women applying, we should make these occupations more attractive to female applicants.

By the same token, we shouldn't change standards just to allow women in, when public safety is concerned, only the best and more qualified should be considered.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I have no problem with an equally qualified woman in the Armed Force, Police Departments or Fire Departments.

There needs to be more women applying, we should make these occupations more attractive to female applicants.

By the same token, we shouldn't change standards just to allow women in, when public safety is concerned, only the best and more qualified should be considered.

There doesn't "need" to be anything IMO.

Let the chips fall where they may. Social engineering is for the birds.

[piercj2]

Actually, I do agree, if a woman can do more or is more capable (physically, and mentally) then by all means she should be able to be a soldier or engage in combat, even before men. But I know for a fact is is rare, if not exteinct for a woman to be just more capable than a man physically. It is medically proven, that on average a woman only has 60 percent as strong as a man. Thats why men and woman compete on seperate terms in pretty much all physical activities (as I already mentioned) ex weight lifting, footbal, basketball, baseball ect. I mean I work out in a co ed enviornment, so forgive my for my policial incorectness, but most woman are far weaker than men.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Actually, I do agree, if a woman can do more or is more capable (physically, and mentally) then by all means she should be able to be a soldier or engage in combat, even before men. But I know for a fact is is rare, if not exteinct for a woman to be just more capable than a man physically. It is medically proven, that on average a woman only has 60 percent as strong as a man. Thats why men and woman compete on seperate terms in pretty much all physical activities (as I already mentioned) ex weight lifting, footbal, basketball, baseball ect. I mean I work out in a co ed enviornment, so forgive my for my policial incorectness, but most woman are far weaker than men.

Yes this is true. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good social engineering experiment...

[betsy]

Just wondering...

How do women in combat deal with their monthly period...cramps? How about PMS?

What about toileting? If you're hunkered down staking out or pinned down by gunfighting...how do women relieve their bladders? I know this question seem so childish...but I'm curious.

And knowing the kind of enemies we are dealing with nowadays, I guess being captured alive by an enemy is worse than death for anyone...but especially for a woman?

How do male soldiers really feel having women in their platoons. Of course feelings are no longer freely expressed. But setting aside the cliched sexual innuendoes....

Do the males feel a bit more ill-at-ease?

Do some have this need to be gallant or chivalrous/protective (for some men, those instincts come naturally towards females).

[Guest Warwick Green]

Ok, woman have come along way in terms of thier career success, ect, but men are still just bigger, stronger, and more athletic than the average woman. Are there woman football, basketball, baseball, or wrestlers who go against men on the college level? Of course not, that is for a reason.

The answer is not to exclude all women, any more than you would arbitrarily exclude all members of any identifiable group? Would you exclude all Arabs because of Arab terrorism? Are there not physical tests given to new recruits? If a specific woman can pass those why would you exclude her?

[Guest Warwick Green]

How do women in combat deal with their monthly period...cramps? How about PMS?

What about toileting? If you're hunkered down staking out or pinned down by gunfighting...how do women relieve their bladders? I know this question seem so childish...but I'm curious.

Years ago after my employer was required to hire women to do heavy outside work that required working and living with men for several months at a time these same questions came up. The women hired into this work knew what they were getting in for and recognized that they were going to sacrifice some privacy. It worked itself out.

[RB]

Just wondering...

How do women in combat deal with their monthly period...cramps? How about PMS?

What about toileting? If you're hunkered down staking out or pinned down by gunfighting...how do women relieve their bladders? I know this question seem so childish...but I'm curious.

And knowing the kind of enemies we are dealing with nowadays, I guess being captured alive by an enemy is worse than death for anyone...but especially for a woman?

How do male soldiers really feel having women in their platoons. Of course feelings are no longer freely expressed. But setting aside the cliched sexual innuendoes....

Do the males feel a bit more ill-at-ease?

Do some have this need to be gallant or chivalrous/protective (for some men, those instincts come naturally towards females).

Technology has made it possible for women to suppress those periods for months, but the usual tampon are what they use. There is a natural way a woman body function, they find their solutions and they adopt and head out to battle.

I hope there comes a time soon when women are not judged based on men's effort, stereotyping and men's successes but encouraged to reach heights and do their best at whatever they set off to do.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear RB,

There is a natural way a woman body function, they find their solutions and they adopt and head out to battle.

I should think that a batallion of crampy, bloated and PMS-influenced women armed to the teeth would be a formidable force indeed. (j/k)

I hope there comes a time soon when women are not judged based on men's effort, stereotyping and men's successes but encouraged to reach heights and do their best at whatever they set off to do.

That time is closer than it's ever been. However, there are some scenarios where the genders generally are not equal. The 'fireman's carry', for example.

[Drea]

Just wondering...

How do women in combat deal with their monthly period

How have we dealt with it for the past 100,000 or so years?

With a pad or tampon. Periods don't come unexpectedly. If I were on the battle ground and knew it was almost time for my monthlies, I would certainly be already wearing protection so I would not have to dig through my pack in the middle of the fray to find a pad.

...cramps?

Take a tylenol or advil.

How about PMS?

Deal with it. PMS has never stopped anyone from doing anything. Unless your a wimp, and I don't think women who join the armed forces could be considered "wimps".

What about toileting? If you're hunkered down staking out or pinned down by gunfighting...how do women relieve their bladders?

Squat. Just like men do when they gotta poo.

I can't imagine being in the middle of a gunfight and being worried about a male soldier seeing my pussy. Who cares!

[piercj2]

The time is hear now, when woman are judged and prepared to do the best they can at what ever they choose to do, however it is obvious now that they have to compete with men. I just boggles my mind how people don't recognize this. Ex.. If you are going to go into battle, or do any other physical activities with men, you whould have to be at least eual to them in strenth, athletic ability, and other aspects of perfermance, if you are not up to par than you are going to be left behind. Woman are the ones that want to be equal, so that means you are going to be forced to perform on the same level, that should be obvious to people. When graduate schools, law schools, or medical schools accept people, do they only campare female applicants to female applicants, or male applicants to male applicants? Of course not, every thing is compared equally, thats how it is and should be with any activity men and woman choose to participate in - job, army, sports, school... anything. Thats why it gets on my nerves so bad when woman wine and complain about wanting something to be easier (military training, jobs, maternity leave benifits, choices in some legal situations like abortion or anything else), if you wanted to be treated equally then you have to be equal on every level to get oppurtunities, why is that so hard for people to understand. Thats why, i really think woman should just stay at home (expecially when it comes to anything physical) they are not as strong and athletic as a guys, they get thier feelings hurt easier, they cry when they get mad, they gossip and talk behind people's backs like its nothing- and thats why they did stay up home up until the middle of the twentieth century. One day they people may start attempting to figure this out.

[Drea]

Thats why, i really think woman should just stay at home (expecially when it comes to anything physical) they are not as strong and athletic as a guys, they get thier feelings hurt easier, they cry when they get mad, they gossip and talk behind people's backs like its nothing- and thats why they did stay up home up until the middle of the twentieth century. One day they people may start attempting to figure this out.

So you are saying...

All men are strong, athletic and stalwart?

All women are weak, weepy and fragile?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Oh young one... I really feel sorry for you -- you are going to have a tough time in life if you keep up this attitude as you grow up.

[Army Guy]

Betsy:

Just wondering...

How do women in combat deal with their monthly period...cramps? How about PMS?

What about toileting? If you're hunkered down staking out or pinned down by gunfighting...how do women relieve their bladders? I know this question seem so childish...but I'm curious

Dealing with cramps thru medication available at the UMS (medical facilities), however there is an unwritten rule of no meds on op's (they want 100% of your attention) not drifting off when they need you...female hygine products are also available thru UMS (generic brands) or thru mail system (back home).

Going to the bathroom in a tactical enviroment can be tricky even for a male, during deployed ops were there is no movement, or your pinned down it's in your pants like everyone else. ( sticking ones head up to go take a crap could be the last thing you ever do)....although i've been scared shitless before the last thing that entered my mind is i got to take a dump during a fire fight... while hunkered down on a stake out as you put it, everything is done in a bag, and humped out when you leave.

And knowing the kind of enemies we are dealing with nowadays, I guess being captured alive by an enemy is worse than death for anyone...but especially for a woman?

With all the equipment we have to carry, it's hard to tell who's who, my piont is unless you practically stripped them who would see the bumps and curves that donote a girl...most females in the combat arms keep thier hair short or extremily short. As for being captured it would be a rare case there are to many precautions taken, to many soldiers available to rapidily deploy. And the bad guys would not mount a major operation, thier not that brave or stupid.

How do male soldiers really feel having women in their platoons. Of course feelings are no longer freely expressed. But setting aside the cliched sexual innuendoes....

Do the males feel a bit more ill-at-ease?

Do some have this need to be gallant or chivalrous/protective (for some men, those instincts come naturally towards females).

Most, not all are OK with it, i personal am not a big fan because it can cause alot of admin problems. but generally if they can do the job then there good to go.

The men get over feeling ill-at ease quickly when the women show them up.

Remember these women want to be there, and they have proven thier worth hundards of times, they are not your average females but infanteers and they go to great lengths to tell the men that they don't want thier protection or chivalry...that being said any group of men who have been together for along time form a bond, like brothers and in this case sisters. and the whole group is protective of one another.

peircj2:

Thats why, i really think woman should just stay at home (expecially when it comes to anything physical) they are not as strong and athletic as a guys, they get thier feelings hurt easier, they cry when they get mad, they gossip and talk behind people's backs like its nothing- and thats why they did stay up home up until the middle of the twentieth century. One day they people may start attempting to figure this out.

These women have decided not to stay at home, but then again they get paid to make little men like you pee thier pants. Thier Infanteer soldiers, they don't carry purses they carry ruck sacks their job is to defend guys like you. The Regt only has one standard for both sexes.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I don't think anyone would argue that some women arevery capable on the battlefield, in the firehouse, in the precinct etc.

But en masse women are less physcially capable than men.

As a result we need to be sure we don't simply add women at the cost of our standards for the sake of progressiveness.

When it comes to our safety and human lives, we have to draw the line and make sure the very same standards must be met by men AND women.

[piercj2]

Ha, Ha, Army guy?? I can tell from your diction, word choice, and language that you are female. No male names himself Army Guy, the guy part obviously being put in there because you want people to beleive you are a man, evern though your posts make it aparent you are not. Have some dignity, at least for yourself enough to admit what sex you are. Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

[geoffrey]

Ha, Ha, Army guy?? I can tell from your diction, word choice, and language that you are female. No male names himself Army Guy, the guy part obviously being put in there because you want people to beleive you are a man, evern though your posts make it aparent you are not. Have some dignity, at least for yourself enough to admit what sex you are. Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

You really are very prejudiced aren't you. Women don't know anything about football? I know many that do. I personally know nothing about the NCAA tournament, I don't care for sub-pro athletics myself. I do know women that have followed March madness.

[Guest Warwick Green]

Ha, Ha, Army guy?? I can tell from your diction, word choice, and language that you are female. No male names himself Army Guy, the guy part obviously being put in there because you want people to beleive you are a man, evern though your posts make it aparent you are not. Have some dignity, at least for yourself enough to admit what sex you are. Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

You really are very prejudiced aren't you. Women don't know anything about football? I know many that do. I personally know nothing about the NCAA tournament, I don't care for sub-pro athletics myself. I do know women that have followed March madness.

If masculinity means emulating the drunken yahoos who constitute the Cleveland Brown dog pound, please count me out.

[Army Guy]

piercj2:

Ha, Ha, Army guy?? I can tell from your diction, word choice, and language that you are female. No male names himself Army Guy, the guy part obviously being put in there because you want people to beleive you are a man, evern though your posts make it aparent you are not. Have some dignity, at least for yourself enough to admit what sex you are. Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

I think your watching to much CSI, last time i checked i pee standing up and have two balls to scratch,a hairy ass and would make one ugly women, and to top it all off i can't help but to stare at large breasts, so now i guess i'm a lesbian ....shiiitttt. I actually think it's funny that a big tough guy like you would be threaten by even the idea that a women could out perform you in anything physical. That a women could be accomplished in one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Well tough guy here's your chance to prove to the world your a bad ass take a walk down to the recruiting center and join up, show them defenseless little girls in the combat arms that your a real man, you can impress them with your vast knowledge of sports, or how much you can bench press.

But then again this is not about what you think of women, it's about showing those women that are already serving our nation some respect. They've already proven themselfs by completing, combat arms training, by serving overseas. what more do you want them to do. Besides kick your ass at football.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ha, Ha, Army guy?? I can tell from your diction, word choice, and language that you are female. No male names himself Army Guy, the guy part obviously being put in there because you want people to beleive you are a man, evern though your posts make it aparent you are not. Have some dignity, at least for yourself enough to admit what sex you are. Enough said... just to prove it, I bet you cannot put a post up displaying your knowledge on sports in depth- for instance the mens NCAA torunament- actually explain to me how the game of football is played specifically- I already know you are a female, so I know most females don't know much about football, lets see if you can do it.

You really are very prejudiced aren't you. Women don't know anything about football? I know many that do. I personally know nothing about the NCAA tournament, I don't care for sub-pro athletics myself. I do know women that have followed March madness.

Yes there are exceptons, but generally women aren't very knowledgeable about football.