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Is it just me, or is it about time we, as Canadians, got OVER the USA.

It seems Canadians (especially the lefties) have this big time inferiority complex about living next to the USA.

Even "the Rant" (that molson commercial with Joe Canadian) basically identifies Being Canadian as something that is NOT american in various ways.

Can't Canadians come up with something better than "we're NOT them?"

And the nauseating flag waving that goes on in this country is SHAMELESS. I thought Americans were bad. During woodstock 1999 (2000?) for example when the Trag. Hip played the audience was speckled with Canadian Flags, but no other band was so obviously nationalist.

I remember I met a young woman visiting from France several years ago. I asked her what she thought of Canadians and she said "oh yes - nice people...but what eez with all of those flags all over your luggage whenever you people travel to europe???". lol

Time we got some self respect, Canada. Let's stop acting like a bunch of teenagers with an inferiority complex. We're becoming the joke of the world.

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It seems Canadians (especially the lefties) have this big time inferiority complex about living next to the USA.

Wow. A totally original insight. :rolleyes:

And the nauseating flag waving that goes on in this country is SHAMELESS. I thought Americans were bad. During woodstock 1999 (2000?) for example when the Trag. Hip played the audience was speckled with Canadian Flags, but no other band was so obviously nationalist.

I remember I met a young woman visiting from France several years ago. I asked her what she thought of Canadians and she said "oh yes - nice people...but what eez with all of those flags all over your luggage whenever you people travel to europe???". lol

First: have you ever actually been to the U.S.A? Brother, they got flags.

So, on the one hand, Canadians are always getting shit on for not being patriotic enough (what was "Stand Up For Canada", but a blatant plea for nationalism?). Then, on the other, we get shit for having the wrong kind of patriotism (like-gasp!- flags on our luggage! How ostentasious!). What the hell is it you want?

Time we got some self respect, Canada. Let's stop acting like a bunch of teenagers with an inferiority complex. We're becoming the joke of the world.

I don't think "the world" really gives a sghit, which is what really drives right wingers round here absolutely bonkers. Talk about inferiority complexes.

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It seems Canadians (especially the lefties) have this big time inferiority complex about living next to the USA.

Wow. A totally original insight. :rolleyes:

And the nauseating flag waving that goes on in this country is SHAMELESS. I thought Americans were bad. During woodstock 1999 (2000?) for example when the Trag. Hip played the audience was speckled with Canadian Flags, but no other band was so obviously nationalist.

I remember I met a young woman visiting from France several years ago. I asked her what she thought of Canadians and she said "oh yes - nice people...but what eez with all of those flags all over your luggage whenever you people travel to europe???". lol

First: have you ever actually been to the U.S.A? Brother, they got flags.

So, on the one hand, Canadians are always getting shit on for not being patriotic enough (what was "Stand Up For Canada", but a blatant plea for nationalism?). Then, on the other, we get shit for having the wrong kind of patriotism (like-gasp!- flags on our luggage! How ostentasious!). What the hell is it you want?

Good Heavens. I take a lot of pride in the fact that I'm Canadian and would never fault anyone wanting to wear, carry or clutch our flag. For decades we had to live under the Union Jack and pay homage to a Royal Family that had little interest in what we were doing so long as we paid our dues. We've earned this.

Time we got some self respect, Canada. Let's stop acting like a bunch of teenagers with an inferiority complex. We're becoming the joke of the world.

I don't think "the world" really gives a sghit, which is what really drives right wingers round here absolutely bonkers. Talk about inferiority complexes.

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So it is wrong or right of me to wave that beautiful RED MAPLE LEAF around in the air? This is now forcing me to get a huge ass Canadian Flag and put it in my front yard.

I think overall (my humble opinion) that Canadians are proud of being Canadian, we are just not vocal about it, but confident in our pride that we do not need to have a huge outward display of it.

America - USA USA USA USA

Canada - would you like a beer?

Could you explain your point a little more please?

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It seems Canadians (especially the lefties) have this big time inferiority complex about living next to the USA.

Wow. A totally original insight. :rolleyes:

And the nauseating flag waving that goes on in this country is SHAMELESS. I thought Americans were bad. During woodstock 1999 (2000?) for example when the Trag. Hip played the audience was speckled with Canadian Flags, but no other band was so obviously nationalist.

I remember I met a young woman visiting from France several years ago. I asked her what she thought of Canadians and she said "oh yes - nice people...but what eez with all of those flags all over your luggage whenever you people travel to europe???". lol

First: have you ever actually been to the U.S.A? Brother, they got flags.

So, on the one hand, Canadians are always getting shit on for not being patriotic enough (what was "Stand Up For Canada", but a blatant plea for nationalism?). Then, on the other, we get shit for having the wrong kind of patriotism (like-gasp!- flags on our luggage! How ostentasious!). What the hell is it you want?

Time we got some self respect, Canada. Let's stop acting like a bunch of teenagers with an inferiority complex. We're becoming the joke of the world.

I don't think "the world" really gives a sghit, which is what really drives right wingers round here absolutely bonkers. Talk about inferiority complexes.

I've been to the USA dozens upon dozens of times. Canada's nauseating "we are great" mentality makes USA look modest.

And the rest of your blather seems completely unrelated to what I have said. But go hard if it makes you feel better dude.

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I've met many Americans and have some dear friends in the U.S., there is little difference between us.

Canadians seem to have a smug sense of superiority over the U.S. particularly when it comes to health care, but for the most part its a crock. We have some Canadian friends who just moved to the States (we are there now on holiday) he actually has his U.S. citizenship so is entitled to medicare now (over 65). He got some bad news before he left Canada, he's been diagnosed with Lou Gherigs disease, not a pretty prospect anywhere, and was on a 5 month wait list in Ontario to see a specialist. He moved here and got in to see specialists right away, and is receiving care etc. at the moment. He feels that he has a better chance in the U.S. of immediate treatment, not that there is a cure, but if he were in Canada he'd still be waiting in line.

This is a great piece, worth a read.

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6250

First, Canadians are not morally entitled to hate the United States. Our economy has not been strangled by U.S. manipulations; our leaders have not been assassinated, nor our masses killed, nor our lands invaded. Those who have suffered the aforementioned atrocities, though they should not hate, should yet be forgiven for hating. We have suffered none of these – our hatred is second-hand and cheap.

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I've met many Americans and have some dear friends in the U.S., there is little difference between us.

Canadians seem to have a smug sense of superiority over the U.S. particularly when it comes to health care, but for the most part its a crock. We have some Canadian friends who just moved to the States (we are there now on holiday) he actually has his U.S. citizenship so is entitled to medicare now (over 65). He got some bad news before he left Canada, he's been diagnosed with Lou Gherigs disease, not a pretty prospect anywhere, and was on a 5 month wait list in Ontario to see a specialist. He moved here and got in to see specialists right away, and is receiving care etc. at the moment. He feels that he has a better chance in the U.S. of immediate treatment, not that there is a cure, but if he were in Canada he'd still be waiting in line.

This is a great piece, worth a read.

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6250

First, Canadians are not morally entitled to hate the United States. Our economy has not been strangled by U.S. manipulations; our leaders have not been assassinated, nor our masses killed, nor our lands invaded. Those who have suffered the aforementioned atrocities, though they should not hate, should yet be forgiven for hating. We have suffered none of these – our hatred is second-hand and cheap.

Good post. There is a great book, written by a Canadian after travelling the world. It's a humor book, called "Why I Hate Canadians" - and pokes fun at us and our generally passive agressive national personality.

And I agree - the health care thing is a big smokescreen - health care is way better in the USA.

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And I agree - the health care thing is a big smokescreen - health care is way better in the USA.

Yes, for those who can afford it.

I am all for private health care. The issue they have in the states is not the level of care, but access to it. In the USA if your private insurance provider (if you have one) says you're covered then you are ok. But what if the private insurance provider deems your health issue one that is not covered? What then?

I am in no way saying our care is better -- it's not. Our care (such as it is, such as it needs improvement) does cover every citizen, not just those who pay a private insurance company.

Bring in private health care to Canada -- but keep private insurers (HMOs -- Human Monster Organizations) from taking over the public insurance system.

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And I agree - the health care thing is a big smokescreen - health care is way better in the USA.

Yes, for those who can afford it.

I am all for private health care. The issue they have in the states is not the level of care, but access to it. In the USA if your private insurance provider (if you have one) says you're covered then you are ok. But what if the private insurance provider deems your health issue one that is not covered? What then?

I am in no way saying our care is better -- it's not. Our care (such as it is, such as it needs improvement) does cover every citizen, not just those who pay a private insurance company.

Bring in private health care to Canada -- but keep private insurers (HMOs -- Human Monster Organizations) from taking over the public insurance system.

Not necessarily, from what I've learned and Americans I speak to say its not as bad as Canadians think it is. There is medicare and medicaid, there are public hospitals who will treat you if you don't have coverage. Thousands don't have health insurance, many by choice, they would rather have the second car etc. Those who can't afford it qualify for aid. Obviously its not socialisted medicine as in 'Canada, and *I believe there should be better care for the poor, but most Americans don't get as upset about it as foreigners do.

Agree about the HMOs there's good and bad, and private care in Canada won't enable people to jump the line, it would get them right out of it enabling others to move up.

My friend is very thankful he moved to the States, heaven knows how he would be faring in Canada.

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And I agree - the health care thing is a big smokescreen - health care is way better in the USA.

Yes, for those who can afford it.

I am all for private health care. The issue they have in the states is not the level of care, but access to it. In the USA if your private insurance provider (if you have one) says you're covered then you are ok. But what if the private insurance provider deems your health issue one that is not covered? What then?

I am in no way saying our care is better -- it's not. Our care (such as it is, such as it needs improvement) does cover every citizen, not just those who pay a private insurance company.

Bring in private health care to Canada -- but keep private insurers (HMOs -- Human Monster Organizations) from taking over the public insurance system.

Not necessarily, from what I've learned and Americans I speak to say its not as bad as Canadians think it is. There is medicare and medicaid, there are public hospitals who will treat you if you don't have coverage. Thousands don't have health insurance, many by choice, they would rather have the second car etc. Those who can't afford it qualify for aid. Obviously its not socialisted medicine as in 'Canada, and *I believe there should be better care for the poor, but most Americans don't get as upset about it as foreigners do.

Agree about the HMOs there's good and bad, and private care in Canada won't enable people to jump the line, it would get them right out of it enabling others to move up.

My friend is very thankful he moved to the States, heaven knows how he would be faring in Canada.

There is a smokescreen blocking the exchange of real information on BOTH sides. American insurance companies have US citizens believing that national medicare is a soviet style, long wait can'tchoose-your-own-doctor type system (it SORT OF is), and Canadian lefty fearmongers have Canadians believing they're shoving people who can't pay on their gurney out into the back lane. Neither are true representations. There are pros and cons to both and if Canada has abrain we'd incorporate the best qualities of each system into our own - like the rest of the G7 is doing.

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First, Canadians are not morally entitled to hate the United States. Our economy has not been strangled by U.S. manipulations; our leaders have not been assassinated, nor our masses killed, nor our lands invaded. Those who have suffered the aforementioned atrocities, though they should not hate, should yet be forgiven for hating. We have suffered none of these – our hatred is second-hand and cheap.

Canadian anti-Americanism seems to be one of those things that people take for granted as true and can always pull out one or two anecdotes to "prove" it, but the lack of any real data suporting that conclusion is interesting. In actuality, every public opinion study on the subject I've seen shows a majority of Canadians have a favourable view of the U.S. Here's a couple to chew on:

Canadian attitudes towards America

A recent telephone survey conducted by the research division of GPC Public Affairs finds that apparent anti-Americanism in Canadian public opinion has been overstated by a vocal minority in the country.

Friends of America, a non-profit organization funded by ordinary Canadians who want to strengthen the Canada / U.S. relationship found widespread support for the U.S. among Canadians. The survey, conducted among a representative sample of 1,000 adults across Canada on November 23 and 24, 2004 has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Almost 3/4 of Canadians (71%) cite the U.S. as Canada’s closest friend, with another 67% believing that anti-American statements hurt our ability to resolve disputes. A full 73% also believe that opposing the policies of the President is not the same as being anti-American.

Overall, Canadians continue to consider Americans their best friends, identifying first and foremost their longstanding and extensive economic and trade relationship but also citing common culture and language as reasons underpinning this friendship.

Moreover, not only do most Canadians believe that the people of the two countries have close ties; the majority of Canadians continue to have a favourable impression of the United States as a country.

Global Attitudes

An interesting thing about that survey is the decline in opinion of United States over the past 6 years. Hmmm...what's been happening in the States in last six years I wonder....

Not necessarily, from what I've learned and Americans I speak to say its not as bad as Canadians think it is. There is medicare and medicaid, there are public hospitals who will treat you if you don't have coverage. Thousands don't have health insurance, many by choice, they would rather have the second car etc. Those who can't afford it qualify for aid. Obviously its not socialisted medicine as in 'Canada, and *I believe there should be better care for the poor, but most Americans don't get as upset about it as foreigners do.

Here's an interesting piece on the underlying philospohical difference between the Canadian and American heatlth care systems. The Moral Hazard Myth.

I'm linking to it beaus eof the mention of "choice" above. I think the notion that people refuse health coverage in order to spend the money on frivolities is absurd on the face of it.

Here's a study conducted a few years back on the uninsured in the U.S.A.

Uninsured in America

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Canadian anti-Americanism seems to be one of those things that people take for granted as true and can always pull out one or two anecdotes to "prove" it, but the lack of any real data suporting that conclusion is interesting. In actuality, every public opinion study on the subject I've seen shows a majority of Canadians have a favourable view of the U.S. Here's a couple to chew on:

That study is the most meaningless piece of crap I've ever seen and does nothing to gauge "attitudes towards americ" at all.

Nice try though.

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So it is wrong or right of me to wave that beautiful RED MAPLE LEAF around in the air? This is now forcing me to get a huge ass Canadian Flag and put it in my front yard.

I think overall (my humble opinion) that Canadians are proud of being Canadian, we are just not vocal about it, but confident in our pride that we do not need to have a huge outward display of it.

America - USA USA USA USA

Canada - would you like a beer?

Could you explain your point a little more please?

I wouldn't wipe my ass with the Maple Leaf. The people of Canada had no choice in choosing this was another case where politicians foisted thi=eir choices on us. Canada is the only former British colony that has not incorporated the Union Jack as part of the flag. That I find shameful since our brave Canadian military fought two World Wars and teh Korean conflict under that banner. We have mouthy politicians shooting off their mouths about the United States and their deficiencies when we have many flaws ourselves including the highest taxes in this Hemisphere. I find absolutely nothing about Canada to be be either proud about or patriotic, which is why I can't wait for Quebec to say goodbye and with them will go Canada's worst Prime Ministers.

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So it is wrong or right of me to wave that beautiful RED MAPLE LEAF around in the air? This is now forcing me to get a huge ass Canadian Flag and put it in my front yard.

I think overall (my humble opinion) that Canadians are proud of being Canadian, we are just not vocal about it, but confident in our pride that we do not need to have a huge outward display of it.

America - USA USA USA USA

Canada - would you like a beer?

Could you explain your point a little more please?

I wouldn't wipe my ass with the Maple Leaf. The people of Canada had no choice in choosing this was another case where politicians foisted thi=eir choices on us. Canada is the only former British colony that has not incorporated the Union Jack as part of the flag. That I find shameful since our brave Canadian military fought two World Wars and teh Korean conflict under that banner. We have mouthy politicians shooting off their mouths about the United States and their deficiencies when we have many flaws ourselves including the highest taxes in this Hemisphere. I find absolutely nothing about Canada to be be either proud about or patriotic, which is why I can't wait for Quebec to say goodbye and with them will go Canada's worst Prime Ministers.

Canadians have an inferiority complex about the USA.

Canadians cling to the false belief that their health care is better than the USA's.

Canadian bureaucrats bicker while Americans get over to the Tsunami and start helping...

and on and on...

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I wouldn't wipe my ass with the Maple Leaf.

Neither would I. Nor would I use the flag of ANY country for such a purpose. I have far too much respect for any nation's flag, and for what the flag symbolizes.

This thread is based on the premise that Canadians "hate" the USA.

I firmly believe that those Canadians who actually "hate" the USA are part of an extremely small minority.

I strongly dislike the Bush administration, and have made no bones about saying so.

But America itself is a country, with people just like all of us.

And so, those right-leaning types who repeatedly raise the largely non-existent spectre of Canadian "hatred" of the USA are, I believe, somewhat off the mark.

With our two nations being so close, there is, admittedly, some friction.

But then again, even in the most close knit family, there will be some friction between family members.

I need another coffee

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JerrySeinfeld:

Is it just me, or is it about time we, as Canadians, got OVER the USA. It seems Canadians (especially the lefties) have this big time inferiority complex about living next to the USA.

The Canadian left cannot get over the USA. Every day they are forced to look at the success of the bread basket of capitalism and have to compare it to the collapse of the USSR, the stagnant socialist EU, and Canada's hapless healthcare and larger debt (as a proportion of GDP) compared to the USA.

That's why they seethe. And brother, can they seethe.

Even "the Rant" (that molson commercial with Joe Canadian) basically identifies Being Canadian as something that is NOT american in various ways.

Haven't bought a case or 6-pack of Molson's since that embarrassingly childish commercial aired.

Can't Canadians come up with something better than "we're NOT them?"

I wish we could. It's so sad that Canadian patriotism is basically anti-Americanism. :(

And the nauseating flag waving that goes on in this country is SHAMELESS. I thought Americans were bad. During woodstock 1999 (2000?) for example when the Trag. Hip played the audience was speckled with Canadian Flags, but no other band was so obviously nationalist. I remember I met a young woman visiting from France several years ago. I asked her what she thought of Canadians and she said "oh yes - nice people...but what eez with all of those flags all over your luggage whenever you people travel to europe???". lol

I remember being in NYC a few years back and talking to some Americans I met. They were shocked to learn that I was from Canada.

"Why aren't your bags plastered with the flag of your country? We literally see people from nearly every country in the world in NYC, and Canadians are the only ones who plaster their flag on their luggage, bags, and clothing. Why is that?"

Time we got some self respect, Canada. Let's stop acting like a bunch of teenagers with an inferiority complex. We're becoming the joke of the world.

We were becoming the joke of the world, but with a new govt I think we are finally starting to earn some respect in this world. :)

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"Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.

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We were becoming the joke of the world, but with a new govt I think we are finally starting to earn some respect in this world. :)

With Stephen Harper representing Canada?? :lol::lol::lol:

GO IGNATIEFF GO !!!

When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

GO IGGY GO!

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We were becoming the joke of the world, but with a new govt I think we are finally starting to earn some respect in this world. :)

With Stephen Harper representing Canada?? :lol::lol::lol:

GO IGNATIEFF GO !!!

Stephen Harper won't end Canada from being a global joke. He will hopefully end our out of control socialist agenda, but come on, he's bound by a re-election he can't win if he is too hawkish. He should be hawkish, but can't be hawkish.

Ignatieff would have the capital to be hawkish, as he'd be viewed by your general idiot (most voters) as non-American because he's a Liberal. Even though he's 150% more Americanized than Harper. Plus he is hawkish! Yay!

That boy has potential, after another term of CPC fat trimming of course.

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That study is the most meaningless piece of crap I've ever seen and does nothing to gauge "attitudes towards americ" at all.

Nice try though.

Gee, way to set the bar for substantive rebuttals there, pal.

Bravo.

Stephen Harper won't end Canada from being a global joke

Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

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Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

I can. We're laughed at worldwide for our sickening patriotism. Our military wants to help out in afghanistan but needs to hitch a ride from the USA. Our national animal is the beaver. We actually believe we are cooler than americans because our beer has an extra 0.5% alcohol, and our prime minister, when addressing the UN gets the PRIME spot between azerbajan and uruguay.

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Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

I can. We're laughed at worldwide for our sickening patriotism. Our military wants to help out in afghanistan but needs to hitch a ride from the USA. Our national animal is the beaver. We actually believe we are cooler than americans because our beer has an extra 0.5% alcohol, and our prime minister, when addressing the UN gets the PRIME spot between azerbajan and uruguay.

You have absolutely no link, no evidence whatsoever to back up the statement that Canada is "a global joke".

Just your rightwing attitude and nothing more. Nothing substantive, nothing quantitative, nothing period.

Canada -- LOVE it or LEAVE it!

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Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

I can. We're laughed at worldwide for our sickening patriotism. Our military wants to help out in afghanistan but needs to hitch a ride from the USA. Our national animal is the beaver. We actually believe we are cooler than americans because our beer has an extra 0.5% alcohol, and our prime minister, when addressing the UN gets the PRIME spot between azerbajan and uruguay.

You have absolutely no link, no evidence whatsoever to back up the statement that Canada is "a global joke".

Just your rightwing attitude and nothing more. Nothing substantive, nothing quantitative, nothing period.

Canada -- LOVE it or LEAVE it!

:D

if I started a website called canadatheglobaljoke.com would you believe me? haha.

of course there is no link or evidence. anyone who has travelled the world knows it to be common knowledge.

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Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

I can. We're laughed at worldwide for our sickening patriotism. Our military wants to help out in afghanistan but needs to hitch a ride from the USA. Our national animal is the beaver. We actually believe we are cooler than americans because our beer has an extra 0.5% alcohol, and our prime minister, when addressing the UN gets the PRIME spot between azerbajan and uruguay.

You have absolutely no link, no evidence whatsoever to back up the statement that Canada is "a global joke".

Just your rightwing attitude and nothing more. Nothing substantive, nothing quantitative, nothing period.

Canada -- LOVE it or LEAVE it!

:D

I can get behind that, love it or leave it. We all have the choice to live here or somewhere else. If Canada is not for you, due to whatever reasons, then get out. Simple and easy as that. If you hate Canada and the attitudes it has, get out.

This is another thing that is Canadian is bitching about anything and everything but hoping someone else will cure your problems.

I like Americans for the most part, I really REALLY despise the government they have, have not really liked any administration in the past 20 years.

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Is Canada a "global joke"? Can anyone back this up? Anyone?

I can. We're laughed at worldwide for our sickening patriotism. Our military wants to help out in afghanistan but needs to hitch a ride from the USA. Our national animal is the beaver. We actually believe we are cooler than americans because our beer has an extra 0.5% alcohol, and our prime minister, when addressing the UN gets the PRIME spot between azerbajan and uruguay.

You have absolutely no link, no evidence whatsoever to back up the statement that Canada is "a global joke".

Just your rightwing attitude and nothing more. Nothing substantive, nothing quantitative, nothing period.

Canada -- LOVE it or LEAVE it!

:D

I can get behind that, love it or leave it. We all have the choice to live here or somewhere else. If Canada is not for you, due to whatever reasons, then get out. Simple and easy as that. If you hate Canada and the attitudes it has, get out.

This is another thing that is Canadian is bitching about anything and everything but hoping someone else will cure your problems.

I like Americans for the most part, I really REALLY despise the government they have, have not really liked any administration in the past 20 years.

Its not the NHL dude. I don't have to change teams. I'm just not a nationalist simpleton like you.

Since when did everyone here get the Calgary disease: inability to self-criticize?

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I ,after living here in Long Beach California have found that the definitions of the laws within the borders to the without are not followed....an example is where in the 5th amendment, an amendment as an article to the Constitution is not followed...where no State shall deprive Life, Liberty, or Property without the due process of law. This means Life, Liberty, or (inclusive , if not) Property may be seperated with seperation or looked and held as one totally giving Equity. This equity is mentioined in the 11th where non may bring a suit in a court against us, those with this equity....only we may bring suit against us or within ourselves as an individual in a seperate station. The truth is, that the Declaration is a covenant....That anyone may walk as Law....using immunities and priveleges as the definition for Freedom...and yes, even I would have to report, not only are some waving a flag in too patriot a way, but they are living a Lie religiously and legally.The truth we see as the ones they called We The People is that we are inslaved...slaves...as the 5th or the 14th would also order no money tied to a vote....no patent tied to our intellectual property....only a the task of remembering your own name is proof you are intelligent....this goes on and on and is eqaul politicaly as a Christian or those with the Mosaic Law with a God called Elohim or RA.Then look to the language we use and know 1300 years before Christ the hebrew was hidden with the words to, for, and of....then Webster used the words to, from, and for....to open with the of or pertaining to to give the essense of the connection of a verb and a noun...now add that to the 5th, the 14th and the 11th amendments and read to Declaration of July 4th 1776 and you will open your eyes a bit and see why the United States has those they call YANKS....sincerely George

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