Republicans have given up on healthcare

[CdnFox]

On 8/21/2024 at 1:19 PM, BeaverFever said:

Americans don’t necessarily have more control. Their employer decides what insurance they can have and their insurance company decides what treatment they can have.   This means many people who live with illness or conditions are also permanently tied to their employer because changing jobs could interfere with their coverage and treatment. Before Obamacare, “pre-existing conditions” clauses in most insurance policies made it almost completely impossible for someone with a diagnosed illness to change employers because the they would be excluded from coverage under the new employer’s plan.  Obamacare outlawed this and Trump tried and failed to repeal that provision 

 

The main thing Canadians can’t control are wait times although they can ask for referral to providers with shorter wait times and a lot of workplaces offer mediation opinion seras a benefit which can help people navigate the system and wait times. 
 

JFC I never said that. I said only the very rich could afford to pay for care out of pocket with no insurance. Everyone else pays for insurance and pays thousands of dollars a year more than Canadians. I honestly don’t know how many more different ways I can say that so you understand.

Oh look  another blast of bullshit by the man who can't understand basic math. 

Not one single fact to back up your lies either. Again. 

Hey  dipshit ... the science, the stats and the gov'ts say you're wrong.   Amaricans have far more control, better access and pay more.  Canadians die at a higher rate than americans waiting for services. 

And i totally get why you'd lie about what you've said so far, most lefties do but have you ever considered  trying telling the truth instead? Much less work. 

You don't have a clue what your'e takling about, you haven't got a single fact to back you up and the ONLY thing you're getting 'frustrated' with is the fact that nobody buys your bullshit when the truth has already been posted with evidence. 

Go back to your lego stupid. 

[Matthew]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh look whos so stupid that they're going to dispute the numbers....  without posting any numbers  

What's the matter little guy, did your mom put a parental lock on google and you can't figure it out?

But i guess if you're a leftist lying your ass off is more convenient than thinking

Yawn. This is what you giving up looks like.

[Matthew]

Regarding the subject of this thread: 5 pages in and still no suggestion about what the republican plan for healthcare ought to be.

Too busy on tax cuts for the wealthy and anti-trans laws for the rubes.

[User]

4 hours ago, Matthew said:

Regarding the subject of this thread: 5 pages in and still no suggestion about what the republican plan for healthcare ought to be.

Too busy on tax cuts for the wealthy and anti-trans laws for the rubes.

Well, if you were not ignoring or hiding from my posts... 

So many of you folks on the left sit on here complaining about a lack of a response when you all hide from the very posters who provide them. 

Edited August 25, 2024 by User

[Matthew]

25 minutes ago, User said:

complaining about a lack of a response

Nah, the thesis here is that republicans in the US no longer have a plan for healthcare. If anyone thinks they do, or has a fine idea for what it ought to be, they are welcome to enlighten us.

But no one is complaining about any lack of the normal random garbage responses.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Nah, the thesis here is that republicans in the US no longer have a plan for healthcare. If anyone thinks they do, or has a fine idea for what it ought to be, they are welcome to enlighten us.

But no one is complaining about any lack of the normal random garbage responses.

You said:

"5 pages in and still no suggestion about what the republican plan for healthcare ought to be."

I answered this in my first post here. 

So, you ignored that, are lying now, or still don't care enough to go back and look even after I told you now I did. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Matthew said:

Yawn. This is what you giving up looks like.

True , i've given up on trying to fix your stupidity   If your goal was to "out dumb" everyone else here and prove that ignorance and persistence will eventually outlast facts and reason, you are the clear winner  

I now present you with the coveted "Dumber than a stamp hammer" award!  Go forth and celebrate your pigheaded unwillingness to look facts in the face  you truly are a great representative of the Leftist community today    

6 hours ago, Matthew said:

Regarding the subject of this thread: 5 pages in and still no suggestion about what the republican plan for healthcare ought to be.

 

Doesn't need to be one. as i proved and you spent 5 pages desperately whinging and crying about the system actually isn't that bad. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Nah, the thesis here is that republicans in the US no longer have a plan for healthcare. If anyone thinks they do, or has a fine idea for what it ought to be, they are welcome to enlighten us.

But no one is complaining about any lack of the normal random garbage responses.

By 'garbage' responses, you mean like if someone kept insisting something was true after being provided with real facts without ever offering any evidence of their own?

Nope  no shortage of that. 

And you do run like a coward from those who show you up. 

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, User said:

So, you ignored that

That's true, it was a long post and the first 80% of it was not interesting to me. But at the end there you did in fact attempt a well-explained wishlist of what you would want republicans to do with Healthcare.

I mean I think it's a rather dystopian anarcho-capitalist vision for healthcare that even conservative- minded people today would be reluctant to ever realistically accept. But I was a libertarian for many years and I understand it and appreciate the appeal.

[Matthew]

@CdnFox I think you're a good person and I enjoyed our chat. But we reached a dead end in your comprehension of the topic. You're very emotional and seem to lash out at people when you don't understand things or get your way. It's fine. We'll talk again someday after you've calmed down.

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by Matthew

[User]

20 minutes ago, Matthew said:

That's true, it was a long post and the first 80% of it was not interesting to me. But at the end there you did in fact attempt a well-explained wishlist of what you would want republicans to do with Healthcare.

I mean I think it's a rather dystopian anarcho-capitalist vision for healthcare that even conservative- minded people today would be reluctant to ever realistically accept. But I was a libertarian for many years and I understand it and appreciate the appeal.

It's funny how you are not interested and ignore me when it is me pointing out the problems with your comments and assertions. 

Not sure what makes my proposal dystopian nor is it all that libertarian either. Libertarian would be far less involved and literally, here is the market, figure it out. That is not what my position is, my position is to shift the incentives and support from the employer to the individual, not to take them away. 

But, I understand why you would sit here trying to mischaracterize it with these buzz words instead of directly responding. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

@CdnFox I think you're a good person and I enjoyed our chat. But we reached a dead end in your comprehension of the topic. You're very emotional and seem to lash out at people when you don't understand things or get your way. It's fine. We'll talk again someday after you've calmed down.

 

I literally said to you that if you couldn't start actually defending your position rather than simply repeating lies I had already disproven then I would give up trying to have a conversation with you and simply make fun of you

You continued and again displayed The Logical abilities of a five-year-old and I started to make fun of you

And now that you realize that all I'm doing is making fun of you because of your inability to make an argument, you declare that the conversation is over and somehow it's my fault   

Kid, go play with your Lego. You want to have a chat in the future you're welcome but you need to actually make a coherent argument and provide some evidence to back it up. Also, having some sort of point to your conversation can be very helpful.

Best of luck

 

[CdnFox]

Oh - and just for fun. canadian girl moves to florida  4 years ago and compares health systems.  Seems like people who've experienced  both think the US is better.  And she can explain why in vivid detail.

Enjoy. 

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by CdnFox

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, User said:

nor is it all that libertarian

Maybe not, but I think libertarians would likely be the main contingent of Republicans that would go for it.

I only mean dystopian in the sense of commodifying people's health. I do appreciate the benefits of a functioning price system, but taken to an extreme in a professional healthcare environment would just not be the kind of world in which I would choose to live.

But let me see if I even understand what you're imagining. You're thinking of a system in which people would buy health services directly from health providers, and/or perhaps subscribe, so to speak, directly to a heath providers (instead of to an intermediary health insurance company), and that this would be achieved via some radical alterstion of federal incentives. Perhaps similar to how dental care is funded today. Am I on the right track?