The MSM close relationship with the Liberal Party continues

[Montgomery Burns]

Newspaper CEO, David McGuinty may enter Grit race:

OTTAWA (CP) - Prospective Liberal leadership candidates fanned out on two coasts Saturday, pressing flesh and bending ears as the unofficial drive to find a successor to Paul Martin continues to take shape.

With no clear front-runner for a race whose parameters and date won't even be set for another two weeks, more than a dozen individuals are now being floated as potential runners.

The latest names being thrown into the highly speculative mix are Robert Prichard, president and CEO of Torstar Corp., and Liberal MP David McGuinty, brother of Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty.

The Liberals go to the CBC when they appoint Governor Generals. The Aspers--who own Global TV--are longtime Liberals, although to be fair, I think their news coverage is quite balanced.

And now this with the CEO of Torstar Corp, which owns the far-left Toronto Star.

Isn't Canada's MSM cozy relationship with the Liberal Party wrong? How can the public trust the MSM when it comes to reporting on the Liberal Party?

Please refrain from dragging the US into this. I know that Ted Turner is very liberal but I do not recall him running for the Democrat Party. I know that Dan Rather is a propagandist for the Democrat Party (speaking at Democrat fundraisers, Memogate, etc), but he never ran for the Democrat Party either.

[gerryhatrick]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

[sharkman]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

The Canadian media is rightwing? Shall we consider their lock step coverage of gay marriage in canada? How about with environmental issues: SUVs, Kyoto, climate change and the like. All from a liberal left of center the sky is falling perspective. How about the U.S. in general, that 'right wing red neck' land of Christians. How about the coverage of the Muslim cartoons, a huge story that stayed in the media for weeks. Even Europe media outlets showed them. Our Canadian media covers everything from a lefty view. You, my friend, are out of touch with reality. But that's okay. I used to think the media was fair and balanced back before I finished college. Time will broaden your perspective.

[geoffrey]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun and CanWest is slowly creeping to the left after the Asper buyout.

Where is Conrad when you need him?

[tml12]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

Gerry,

Media=right wing? Fox is right-wing. NOTHING ELSE IS.

CBC is way left biased, as is CNN (although to be fair, at least they allow Lou Dobbs to talk about the Mexican immigration problem).

[Hollus]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

Gerry,

Media=right wing? Fox is right-wing. NOTHING ELSE IS.

CBC is way left biased, as is CNN (although to be fair, at least they allow Lou Dobbs to talk about the Mexican immigration problem).

If the MSM were trully leftwing, the bush admin. would have been prosectuted for war crimes by now.

[Spike22]

Excellent this MSM relationshipo could not be better as for McGuinty good god - another career polititian.

[Montgomery Burns]

I know I asked ppl not to drag the US into this, but since it is my thread I am allowed to do so.

You won't believe this:

"We do not want to inadvertently threaten human life or legitimately harm national security in our reporting," [Leonard Downie Jr., executive editor of The Washington Post] said.

You just know that 3 letter word is coming up next...

"But it’s important . . . in our constitutional system that these final decisions be made by newspaper editors and not the government."

It’s important in the US constitutional system that the final decision as to what information during wartime should be classified or not...should be made by newspaper editors rather than elected representatives of the people?

Wow. No wonder these arrogant elitists are losing reader and viewership.

[Hollus]

I know I asked ppl not to drag the US into this, but since it is my thread I am allowed to do so.

You won't believe this:

"We do not want to inadvertently threaten human life or legitimately harm national security in our reporting," [Leonard Downie Jr., executive editor of The Washington Post] said.

You just know that 3 letter word is coming up next...

"But it’s important . . . in our constitutional system that these final decisions be made by newspaper editors and not the government."

It’s important in the US constitutional system that the final decision as to what information during wartime should be classified or not...should be made by newspaper editors rather than elected representatives of the people?

Wow. No wonder these arrogant elitists are losing reader and viewership.

Hmmm... I wonder why there would be an "out of control" leaking of classified information by government officials with access to the info. Maybe people inside intelegeince community trying to draw attention to the true nature of their governments war mongering? No, couldnt be. We should allow this unlawful admin to countinue classifying anything that may expose their 'war on terror' for what it really is.

[Spike22]

I know I asked ppl not to drag the US into this, but since it is my thread I am allowed to do so.

You won't believe this:

"We do not want to inadvertently threaten human life or legitimately harm national security in our reporting," [Leonard Downie Jr., executive editor of The Washington Post] said.

You just know that 3 letter word is coming up next...

"But it’s important . . . in our constitutional system that these final decisions be made by newspaper editors and not the government."

It’s important in the US constitutional system that the final decision as to what information during wartime should be classified or not...should be made by newspaper editors rather than elected representatives of the people?

Wow. No wonder these arrogant elitists are losing reader and viewership.

Hmmm... I wonder why there would be an "out of control" leaking of classified information by government officials with access to the info. Maybe people inside intelegeince community trying to draw attention to the true nature of their governments war mongering? No, couldnt be. We should allow this unlawful admin to countinue classifying anything that may expose their 'war on terror' for what it really is.

On the crack again huh Hollis?

[Hollus]

I know I asked ppl not to drag the US into this, but since it is my thread I am allowed to do so.

You won't believe this:

"We do not want to inadvertently threaten human life or legitimately harm national security in our reporting," [Leonard Downie Jr., executive editor of The Washington Post] said.

You just know that 3 letter word is coming up next...

"But it’s important . . . in our constitutional system that these final decisions be made by newspaper editors and not the government."

It’s important in the US constitutional system that the final decision as to what information during wartime should be classified or not...should be made by newspaper editors rather than elected representatives of the people?

Wow. No wonder these arrogant elitists are losing reader and viewership.

Hmmm... I wonder why there would be an "out of control" leaking of classified information by government officials with access to the info. Maybe people inside intelegeince community trying to draw attention to the true nature of their governments war mongering? No, couldnt be. We should allow this unlawful admin to countinue classifying anything that may expose their 'war on terror' for what it really is.

On the crack again huh Hollis?

You cant even spell my name right you retard.

[August1991]

I know I asked ppl not to drag the US into this, but since it is my thread I am allowed to do so.

Because you "start" a thread, that doesn't give you the right to claim ownership of it. And participation in this forum is at the discretion of the moderator.

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I hardly find surprising that someone from the Toronto Star is considering running for leadership of the federal Liberal Party. (Well, I am surprised because it implies that the Liberals are bereft of strong candidates if a publisher with no political experience thinks he can become a federal party leader; but that's a separate issue.)

The Toronto Star is hardly the sole member of the so-called Main Stream Media. I have never believed that the MSM acts in unison (or as a cartel), and in any case, people get their news from a variety of sources. (Are you suggesting that all the TV, radio and print journalists in Englsih and French Canada meet at night, decide on the next day's agenda, and then the rest of us just believe all this? The idea is ludicrous.)

If we are going to complain about a lack of democracy in Canada, there are far more serious problems than apparent media bias.

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You cant even spell my name right you retard.

Knock of the name-calling.

[BubberMiley]

Knock of the name-calling.

Oh, come on. Spike is fair game.

[Shakeyhands]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun and CanWest is slowly creeping to the left after the Asper buyout.

Where is Conrad when you need him?

Is this - "No, Intelligent people read the Sun"

or - No intelligent people read the Sun"

I'm very curious!

[Shakeyhands]

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I hardly find surprising that someone from the Toronto Star is considering running for leadership of the federal Liberal Party. (Well, I am surprised because it implies that the Liberals are bereft of strong candidates if a publisher with no political experience thinks he can become a federal party leader; but that's a separate issue.)

You are really starting to sound like the Republicans... they are always trying ot pigeonhole the Democrates with claims of weak leadership in a floundering party.

[geoffrey]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun and CanWest is slowly creeping to the left after the Asper buyout.

Where is Conrad when you need him?

Is this - "No, Intelligent people read the Sun"

or - No intelligent people read the Sun"

I'm very curious!

It's "No intelligent people read the Sun."

I can't take a paper seriously that has Sunshine girls and presents news in a tabloid fashion.

[August1991]

I hardly find surprising that someone from the Toronto Star is considering running for leadership of the federal Liberal Party. (Well, I am surprised because it implies that the Liberals are bereft of strong candidates if a publisher with no political experience thinks he can become a federal party leader; but that's a separate issue.)

You are really starting to sound like the Republicans... they are always trying ot pigeonhole the Democrates with claims of weak leadership in a floundering party.

On second thought, maybe the fact this guy is considering a candidacy is merely an indication that the federal Liberal Party really does want to reform itself and seek new ideas. I say that in all seriousness. I have never heard of this guy so I don't know what's involved.

I think everyone can agree that The Toronto Star has always been overtly partisan in its support of the Liberals.

[gerryhatrick]

The Canadian media is rightwing? Shall we consider their lock step coverage of gay marriage in canada?

What on earth are you talking about? How are they providing "lock step coverage" of gay marriage?

[gerryhatrick]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun

It matters little what you're opinion of them is. I see a lot of smart people buying it at work. And it has national reach.

It is where a LOT of Canadians get thier news and opinion, and it's riddled with rightwing lies.

[geoffrey]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun

It matters little what you're opinion of them is. I see a lot of smart people buying it at work. And it has national reach.

It is where a LOT of Canadians get thier news and opinion, and it's riddled with rightwing lies.

Their stupidity is not really the rest of our responsibility.

Real intelligent people would find the Sun horribly biased, full of irrelevant stories (and sunshine girls) and completely unstimulating intellectually.

Apparently, you might just be one of those intelligent people.

[tml12]

Are you on glue? Have you checked out Sun Media lately? Or CanWest?

The media is overwhelmingly rightwing.

Geez, George Orwel would be amazed.

No intelligent people read the Sun

It matters little what you're opinion of them is. I see a lot of smart people buying it at work. And it has national reach.

It is where a LOT of Canadians get thier news and opinion, and it's riddled with rightwing lies.

Their stupidity is not really the rest of our responsibility.

Real intelligent people would find the Sun horribly biased, full of irrelevant stories (and sunshine girls) and completely unstimulating intellectually.

Apparently, you might just be one of those intelligent people.

I like Sunshine girls...

[lost&outofcontrol]

Their stupidity is not really the rest of our responsibility.

Real intelligent people would find the Sun horribly biased, full of irrelevant stories (and sunshine girls) and completely unstimulating intellectually.

Apparently, you might just be one of those intelligent people.

I think this represents the biggest problem on these forums, it's the; if you're of the right/left and it's contrary to my opinion, then you are wrong/bad/stupid line. Opinions are just that people, opinions !

**edit**I do not read Sun publications.

[geoffrey]

Their stupidity is not really the rest of our responsibility.

Real intelligent people would find the Sun horribly biased, full of irrelevant stories (and sunshine girls) and completely unstimulating intellectually.

Apparently, you might just be one of those intelligent people.

I think this represents the biggest problem on these forums, it's the; if you're of the right/left and it's contrary to my opinion, then you are wrong/bad/stupid line. Opinions are just that people, opinions !

**edit**I do not read Sun publications.

Wow, considering I'm pretty much as right wing as it gets here and I'm letting rip on a right-wing paper, I don't think that comment holds water.

I was saying that the previous poster was intelligent by finding fault with the Sun's information, it was a compliment.

Never have I been in so much trouble for complimenting someone and being critical of my own side.

[lost&outofcontrol]

Wow, considering I'm pretty much as right wing as it gets here and I'm letting rip on a right-wing paper, I don't think that comment holds water.

I was saying that the previous poster was intelligent by finding fault with the Sun's information, it was a compliment.

Never have I been in so much trouble for complimenting someone and being critical of my own side.

My comment had nothing to do with being right wing/left wing, it was about attacking(insulting) people and not their opinions.

[Montgomery Burns]

August1991:

Because you "start" a thread, that doesn't give you the right to claim ownership of it. And participation in this forum is at the discretion of the moderator.

Jeez, relax August. I had a wink emoticon--I was joking. I came across the WaPo article later in the day, was shocked to read that comment from the editor, but didn't start another thread as I had already started some other threads that day. I don't want to flood the forum (like Mirror used to), so I figured I would slip it in here.

You shouldn't take this forum so seriously. When a newbie comes here and errs by posting an entire article, or posts a partial article without a link (credit), you threaten to immediately email the moderator. The rest of us just tell the newbie that full articles or partial articles not credited (linked) is against forums rules. The newbie usually says "oops, sorry I didn't know that; I won't do it again". It's handled in an adult manner and no one has to annoy the moderator for trivial matters. I'm sure Greg has more important things to do.

The Toronto Star is hardly the sole member of the so-called Main Stream Media. I have never believed that the MSM acts in unison (or as a cartel), and in any case, people get their news from a variety of sources. (Are you suggesting that all the TV, radio and print journalists in Englsih and French Canada meet at night, decide on the next day's agenda, and then the rest of us just believe all this? The idea is ludicrous.)

Of course it is ludicrous to suggest the media gets together and have secret meetings. I never said, nor suggested that. You're projecting.

If we are going to complain about a lack of democracy in Canada, there are far more serious problems than apparent media bias.

I resent being forced to pay for a channel that is openly anti-conservative and links Harper to Hitler (both "cropping errors", so said the CBC). The other ones can be as slanted as they want, but they have viewers/advertisers to answer to...and if ratings are poor...

However, the topic is about the Liberal Party's close relationship with the MSM.

1) President and CEO of TorStar running for Liberal Leadership.

2) Liberal Party gets its Governor Generals from the CBC.

3) Aspers have strong ties to the Liberal Party. Indeed, I believe one of the Aspers was the leader of the Manitoba Liberal Party.

Democracies should not have major media organizations having such cozy relationships to a political party. How can you trust them to look at the Liberal Party with an objective, or at times, critical eye?