Liberal teacher to students: Hate America!

[Montgomery Burns]

9news.com:

AURORA (Colorado--MB) - A 16-year-old boy at Overland High School doesn't want to hear what he calls his teacher's left-wing political rants. Sean Allen frequently recorded his teachers to back up his notes. Allen recorded Jay Bennish, his 10th grade World Geography teacher, making comments about President Bush's State of the Union Address.

"I'm not saying Bush and Hitler are exactly the same, obviously they're not. OK? But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use," says Bennish in his critique of U.S. economic and foreign policy.

You have to listen in on this Geography class to believe this. :angry: No wonder homeschooling is getting so popular down there. The left has made a mess of their publik edukashun sistum.

And here is some liberal indoctrination in Langley, BC. (sorry, link has expired at Langleytimes.com):

Students Disagree With Move

By Natasha Jones

Times Reporter

Feb 12 2006

If Dr. David Young’s Grade 6 Humanities class is a fair gauge of public opinion, David Emerson is one unpopular politician. All 28 students are so indignant about the international trade minister’s defection from the Liberals to the government benches that they have given him a piece of their mind, spelling out their displeasure in letters. The minister, whose defection was revealed only moments before the new Conservative government was sworn in on Monday, is not the only one to escape the students’ harsh criticism. His boss, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, receives a verbal lashing as the students’ letters are addressed to him, Emerson and Langley MP Mark Warawa. Sean Basso accused Emerson of cheating the 18,489 people in his Vancouver-Kingsway riding who voted for him in the Jan. 23 election.

“You manipulated them.”

Sean said that Emerson should return the $96,000 raised by supporters for his campaign. “Otherwise, it’s like saying, ‘oh thanks for the money, but no, I’m just going to use it as funding for my own gain. That’s a crime.”

“You hurt the people’s feelings because you wanted more money. So let’s have a byelection in Vancouver-Kingsway,” wrote Shadoe Reisler.

Adam Viscount suggested that Emerson should have known better. “You are smart enough to know they didn’t vote for you, they voted for the Liberals,” he said.

In their letters, and further classroom comments to The Times, several students expressed outrage that Canada has troops in Afghanistan to boost and uphold democracy. “Soldiers,” Adam wrote, “are fighting for what you have destroyed in five minutes.”

Wrote Dominic Chew: “You are supposed to represent us and you have failed. I wrote this letter because I care and I think that you should start!” Students said they were disgusted by Emerson’s decision to cross the floor, and said he betrayed the voters and supporters in his constituency.

Young said that the elected “are supposed to represent the pinnacle of ethics and responsibility and lawfulness.” But what Prime Minister Harper sanctioned went against those principles.

“Our prime minister actively sought to bring someone across the floor for personal gain, and didn’t give the people of Vancouver-Kingsway a choice,” Young said.

[geoffrey]

Oh ya, I'm sure all 28 kids are all behind the ignorant that are calling for resignation. Thats disgusting, he should be fired immediately.

Listening to this tape is just disgusting. The teacher should be put in jail for trying to put his own radical extremist politics on these students (same idea as the holocaust guy in Canada).

The kid that taped it is pretty bright, good for him to stand up to this jerk.

The one that really got me, congress is a military target... WTC could be seen as military target because the CIA has offices and MNC's are there... unbbbeelievable.

Americans are like nazi's to the Indians? Yikes.

This would be like Chomsky teaching an elementary class...

[Riverwind]

"I'm not saying Bush and Hitler are exactly the same, obviously they're not. OK? But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use," says Bennish in his critique of U.S. economic and foreign policy.

No worse than school boards that try to teach creationism as a science or ban books that have homosexual relationships. The important thing is not whether a particular teacher crossed a line but whether the students feel free to disagree with the teacher. I had some teachers who had opinions that differed from mine but encouraged students to make counter arguments if they disagreed. I learned the most from those kinds of teachers.

[Montgomery Burns]

Glad you listened to the tape. It's just crazy. And hearing some of these indoctrinated teens chanting in agreement with Bennish is scary stuff. This is just a Geography class. Makes ya wonder what is being taught in other classes

Btw here is a pic of the teacher. No, I'm not going to comment on his photo.

Ya, it was just the purest of coincidence that all 28 children in that Grade 6 class are "indignant and expressing outrage" at Emerson and Harper.

When I was in Grade 6, I was interested in playing hockey/shinny, baseball, soccer, listening to hard rock music, and starting to notice all them cute girls in my school. I didn't give a crap about politics.

Perhaps Grade Sixers are just different these days.

[Shady]

It looks as though they're starting the brainwashing at a younger and younger age. I'm glad this asshole got caught spreading his hate in the guise of "learning" and "discussion". Like grade 6's are on par to legitimately discuss that type of issue with him.

[Riverwind]

It looks as though they're starting the brainwashing at a younger and younger age. I'm glad this asshole got caught spreading his hate in the guise of "learning" and "discussion". Like grade 6's are on par to legitimately discuss that type of issue with him.

I suspect you would have no problem if he was telling the students that Saddam linked to 9-11 and Al-Queda despite the fact that such a statement is a proven lie. Bushies love propaganda and have no shame using it - as long as they can control it.

[Drew Bedson]

Just finished listening to it. I see nothing wrong with it and I'm a severe right leaning individual who believes in the Iraq invasion. It was a class on globalization, he is doing what a teacher should do - get people to think.

In the speech or rant as some see it, I found a carefully constructed line of reasoning, one that Chomsky brings forth time after time - looking at the world through another prism other than your own. That is all he is asking those students to do and in fact, at the end of the sermon, he states just that. Other than bringing up the 'illegal war' there is no ranting, just strirring the pot and showing how actions CAN be construed as terrorism if you are on the recieving end when a terrorist is hiding amongst you.

Oh, and there is a bit of a conspiracy theory thrown in as the US government doesn't always tell the truth and therefore, may have other reasons for actions they take. Nothing wrong there, last thing that I would want is a bunch of yes men running a think tank in the future. Listening to it again, he goes into the Israelis and the Palestinians and the history of same. He says how far back in time do you want to go? He then states that archiologists argue about who was there first. A completely open minded subject but, he didn't take a side. He did though, (shudders) introduce the fact that Israel engaged in terrorism against the British. In what was obviously (to me anyhow) an attempt to get students to think outside the box.

"I may not even be right and am not even trying to take a position. I just want you to think about these issues more indepth. And, am glad you asked all your questions as they were all good questions and I hope that more people ask these." He says, or something very similar as I typed as I was listening.

Then, he signs off and goes into economics of US companies stating they are profit motivated. Duh.

The one that really got me, congress is a military target... WTC could be seen as military target because the CIA has offices and MNC's are there... unbbbeelievable.

Unbelieveable? What is unbelieveable is that here, four and a half years after the war on terror has been launched, people, even 'in the know' people such as many here on this board have no idea of how the enemy thinks and, what their objectives are. Instead, prefereing them to be thought of as nutbars and such. The fact is, they have a plan, they have a rationale that makes complete sense if you are them or from that area of the world. It is a terrifying plan that so many miss and discount thinking that the acts of terrorism here and there are only coincidental and, negating the entire strategic picture. The second Caliphate is a better than thirty percent chance of being reality. These people are fighting tremendous odds but, they have intelligence and dedication.

The targets are military targets to the terrorists though. Given their belief rationale we are a democracy and hence, each of us are responsible for the actions of the government and society. See, already you don't get how the enemy thinks. Iraqi's by virtue of holding votes and participating become military targets. It is not a war of military might with clear cut sides, it's a war of philosophy and ideas. Theirs weapon is terror and, attempting to influence other's thinking so they join with them in some way. Ours, is to provide opportunity and hope by denying them free operations and erradicating wherever possible.

This guy is OK in my books. If he stood up and sang the Star Spangled Banner and then said that whatever GWB did is fine with him that would make sense?

[Montgomery Burns]

It looks as though they're starting the brainwashing at a younger and younger age. I'm glad this asshole got caught spreading his hate in the guise of "learning" and "discussion". Like grade 6's are on par to legitimately discuss that type of issue with him.

I suspect you would have no problem if he was telling the students that Saddam linked to 9-11 and Al-Queda despite the fact that such a statement is a proven lie. Bushies love propaganda and have no shame using it - as long as they can control it.

Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda. Duh! Everyone knows that. One of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers fled to Iraq and was put on a govt salary. Zarqawi fled to Iraq after the Taliban fell and was treated in an Iraqi hospital for a wound he suffered while fighting in Afghanistan.

As for Saddam and 9-11, no one knows for sure. But we do know that Clinton appointed federal judge Harold Baer awarded two 9-11 families $104 million in damages against the state of Iraq for its complicity in 9-11.

And this was a GEOGRAPHY class, not a religion class, or a pro-gay marriage class.

As for propaganda, no one is as masterful at it as the Left.

[Riverwind]

Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda. Duh! Everyone knows that.

No one who isn't a Bush fanatic beleives the was any significant link between Saddam and Al Queda. And you more or less prove my point: you are not interested in seeing teachers/press/media express balanced opinions of the issues. You want them to spout propaganda that you approve of.

And this was a GEOGRAPHY class, not a religion class, or a pro-gay marriage class.

Geography often includes social studies and political science in high school. I think the topic was appropriate for the class even if the presentation was over the top (anyone who compares their political opponent to Hilter is out of line IMV).

[Drew Bedson]

even if the presentation was over the top (anyone who compares their political opponent to Hilter is out of line IMV).

I'm a flaming right wing bastard and I don't consider for one second that this guy was 'over the top.'

His comparisson to Hitler was asking his students to compare language, presentation and the way people recieved the President's speech to what Hitler used and how it was recieved in the era. Not policies, intent, methods or anything of the like.

Saddam had squat to do with 911 and anybody who ever believed that is a moron. To play the other side though, Bush never said he did, nor did he infer. He did however, stake out the new reality that things like 911 predelicted that the lines for defense have changed. And, he was dammed if anything like that would happen again if he could help it. History has proven him a good protector in that particular aspect whether by luck or purpose. If you recall, Clinton introduced 'Regime Change' in Iraq as official policy for the US and was approved by Congress. 911 gave Bush the means to change the method and rationale of that to take place.

[Montgomery Burns]

Drew Bedson:

Saddam had squat to do with 911 and anybody who ever believed that is a moron.

So federal judge Harold Baer is a moron?

Interesting...coming from someone who says that Jay Bennish "is OK in my books".

[Drew Bedson]

So federal judge Harold Baer is a moron?

Interesting...coming from someone who says that Jay Bennish "is OK in my books".

Yep.

Allegations and visits from Al Queda are not indications of pre knowlege, much less collaboration considering every country in the world has or has had Al Queda cells operating in it. If one were to carry this a bit futher and seen how Canada is so weak with Kadr and his ilk we could make an argument of how Cretien planned it alongside them all.

Now, go a bit further and involve some Al Queda strategy and Bush's vision. Arab countries are all Muslim, and, all Arab. A fact missed by most people when they view them simply as backward freaks. See, the Caliphate was the last time these guys ever meant anything at all to anybody - including themselves. Since then (twelfth century) they have talked about returning the glory of - THE ARAB NATION - meaning the Caliphate. Lybia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq all have at one time or another talked of this with them being the Leader of same of course. This is the mission that Al Queda is on - to revive the Caliphate. To go against this vision is to pronounce yourself as anti Muslim and anti Arab. Quite the stretch for a weak government to take an active part in. Hence, weak governments of the Arab and Muslim world take a 'fence sitting' approach to it all.

Part of Bush's vision was to stop this inactive yet permissive cooperation by proving to the world that the US would stay the course, unlike previous cut and runs like Viet Nam, Lebannon, Somalia and such. Let them know that when they make their choice, the US will be there to back them up. Otherwise, a world full of fence sitters and Al Queda weakening them every day by separating government from people in acts of terrorism.

The point being is that they cooperate in a messed up sort of way. They have dealings with one another in official and unofficial ways that we in the west have difficulty in understanding. For an Arab to turn his back on an Arab nationalist group like Al Queda is a big deal. One that sets you up for a fall unless you can withstand it. Saddam was strong but didn't invite enemies from within. In fact, he played the Saladine Arab thing up himself to the hilt. To turn his back on Al Queda if they asked for a favor would be a problem he would not wish upon his country and would use as best he could.

On the other hand, Al Queda is smart. Much smarter than people give them credit for. They've seen how Palestinian groups and cells were turned in by intelligence from East Germany in exchange by the Super and the great powers and they didn't colude with anybody that could turn on them later in some sort of deal. Hence, if Saddam knew anything about 911, it was not connected to the overal plan. the plan that took hundreds of Al Queda operatives, English speaking operatives with first world savvy who had proved themselves in battlefields to support, transfer money, set up apartements, set up transport, run to the stores to pul out two hundred dollars and then , undetected reconstitute it into hundreds of thousands of dollars to use for the preparation of the mission.

This was Al Queda's mission, to risk giving Saddam an edge or a bargaining chip with the west is unthinkable for Al Queda.

Ya, Baer's a moron. And Bennish is only asking people to think.

[Montgomery Burns]

Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda. Duh! Everyone knows that.

No one who isn't a Bush fanatic beleives the was any significant link between Saddam and Al Queda. And you more or less prove my point: you are not interested in seeing teachers/press/media express balanced opinions of the issues. You want them to spout propaganda that you approve of.

And this was a GEOGRAPHY class, not a religion class, or a pro-gay marriage class.

Geography often includes social studies and political science in high school. I think the topic was appropriate for the class even if the presentation was over the top (anyone who compares their political opponent to Hilter is out of line IMV).

Only someone severely inflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome would deny that Abdul Rahman Yasin fled to Iraq after the declaration of war when the World Trade Center was attacked in 1993--killing 6 and injurying 1042--it could have been worse.

Coalition forces discovered documents that showing Yasin enjoyed housing and a monthly govt salary while in Iraq.

Even ABC reported it on July 27, 1994, I quote: "Last week, [television program] Day One confirmed [Yasin] is in Baghdad…Just a few days ago, he was seen at [his father’s] house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely."

Abu Musab al Zarqawi is probably the world's most wanted terrorist--after Osama bin Laden. After the Taliban was toppled, an injured Zarqawi fled to Iraq and discovered records show that he was treated at Olympic hospital, operated by Saddam’s son, Uday.

In January 2000, Malaysian intelligence took photographs of Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, an Iraqi intelligence operative, at key planning meetings with al Qaeda members for the bombing of the USS Cole and September 11 attacks.

Jane's Foreign Report, a respected newsletter, reported that in October 2000, Salah Suleiman, an Iraqi intelligence operative, was arrested at the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Jane’s reported that he was shuttling between Iraq intelligence and Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda’s #2 guy.

On February 3, 1998, Ayman al Zawahiri, bin Laden's Egyptian deputy, came to Baghdad for meetings with Iraqi leaders. The visit came as Islamic radicals gathered once again in the Iraqi capital for another installation of Hussein's Popular Islamic Conferences. Iraqi vice president Taha Yasin Ramadan welcomed them on February 9 with the language of jihad ... We do not have reporting on when, exactly, Zawahiri left Baghdad. But we do know from an interrogation of a senior Iraqi Intelligence official that he did not leave empty-handed. As first reported in U.S. News & World Report, the Iraqi regime gave Zawahiri $300,000 during or shortly after his trip to Baghdad.

And your "Geography often includes...political science in high school" claim doesn't fly.

[Drew Bedson]

I wonder if they talked about 911 in any of those meetings. Did yu hear anything about that? Kadr didn't mention anything about it when he was home in Canada did he?

The class was about globalism. I also looked for the relevence of the guy's tangent. It's there.

[Montgomery Burns]

So federal judge Harold Baer is a moron?

Interesting...coming from someone who says that Jay Bennish "is OK in my books".

Yep.

Allegations and visits from Al Queda are not indications of pre knowlege, much less collaboration considering every country in the world has or has had Al Queda cells operating in it. If one were to carry this a bit futher and seen how Canada is so weak with Kadr and his ilk we could make an argument of how Cretien planned it alongside them all.

Now, go a bit further and involve some Al Queda strategy and Bush's vision. Arab countries are all Muslim, and, all Arab. A fact missed by most people when they view them simply as backward freaks. See, the Caliphate was the last time these guys ever meant anything at all to anybody - including themselves. Since then (twelfth century) they have talked about returning the glory of - THE ARAB NATION - meaning the Caliphate. Lybia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq all have at one time or another talked of this with them being the Leader of same of course. This is the mission that Al Queda is on - to revive the Caliphate. To go against this vision is to pronounce yourself as anti Muslim and anti Arab. Quite the stretch for a weak government to take an active part in. Hence, weak governments of the Arab and Muslim world take a 'fence sitting' approach to it all.

Part of Bush's vision was to stop this inactive yet permissive cooperation by proving to the world that the US would stay the course, unlike previous cut and runs like Viet Nam, Lebannon, Somalia and such. Let them know that when they make their choice, the US will be there to back them up. Otherwise, a world full of fence sitters and Al Queda weakening them every day by separating government from people in acts of terrorism.

The point being is that they cooperate in a messed up sort of way. They have dealings with one another in official and unofficial ways that we in the west have difficulty in understanding. For an Arab to turn his back on an Arab nationalist group like Al Queda is a big deal. One that sets you up for a fall unless you can withstand it. Saddam was strong but didn't invite enemies from within. In fact, he played the Saladine Arab thing up himself to the hilt. To turn his back on Al Queda if they asked for a favor would be a problem he would not wish upon his country and would use as best he could.

On the other hand, Al Queda is smart. Much smarter than people give them credit for. They've seen how Palestinian groups and cells were turned in by intelligence from East Germany in exchange by the Super and the great powers and they didn't colude with anybody that could turn on them later in some sort of deal. Hence, if Saddam knew anything about 911, it was not connected to the overal plan. the plan that took hundreds of Al Queda operatives, English speaking operatives with first world savvy who had proved themselves in battlefields to support, transfer money, set up apartements, set up transport, run to the stores to pul out two hundred dollars and then , undetected reconstitute it into hundreds of thousands of dollars to use for the preparation of the mission.

This was Al Queda's mission, to risk giving Saddam an edge or a bargaining chip with the west is unthinkable for Al Queda.

Ya, Baer's a moron. And Bennish is only asking people to think.

Giving a monthly govt salary--and housing--to a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist from the 1993 attack on America is not "collaboration"?

Fixing up Zarqawi in a Baghdad hospital operated by Uday Hussein is not "collaboration?"

Are you trying to tell us that Saddam and Sons knew nothing about these guys?

And you're calling federal Judge Harold Baer a moron?

[Drew Bedson]

Yep.

Where is the 911 connection? I explained why every Arab and Muslim country has ties with Al Queda either by front or back door means, now you tell me why Al Queda would risk a third of it's first world operatives, a stategic plan and resources that took them over a year and a half to set up with an unstable dictator like Saddam that may make a deal to turn them in for a weapons system or trade sanction lifing or something. This was the trigger for the entire dream. Now what possibly makes you think they entrusted Saddam with this secret? What could he give them in return that they couln't already get with just being anti American ranters?

[Montgomery Burns]

President Bush goes on trial in New Jersey high school class:

PARSIPPANY -- President Bush is being tried for "crimes against civilian populations" and "inhumane treatment of prisoners" at Parsippany High School, with students arguing both sides before a five-teacher "international court of justice." The panel's verdict could come as soon as Friday.

Don't you just love these Bush hatefests?

Teacher Joseph Kyle said the "hearing"-- he preferred that term to trial -- opened on Monday in a senior advanced placement government class. The school's principal said he signed off in advance on the subject matter.

Typical liberal-speak.

It's not a trial, it's just a hearing. *wink wink nudge nudge*

Former county Sheriff John Fox of Parsippany denounced the weeklong hearing -- where students debated whether Bush is a war criminal and questioned classmates playing administration officials and the Army general who oversaw Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq -- as "terrible"and "disturbing."

"Those are young, impressionable minds those people have control over. We don't need those liberal academics doing what they're doing. I find that offensive," said Fox, a Republican who graduated from Parsippany High School.

He appears to make sense but if you look closer you can see that he is not credible:

1) He is a former sheriff, therefore he is likely tough on crime. That ain't liberal!

2) His last name is Fox...the same moniker as that evil lying Fox News Channel. I smell a Rovian rat!

[Drew Bedson]

Start a new thread or address the one we're on.

[Montgomery Burns]

Video (4:56) of 16 y/o Sean Allen (student who taped Bennish's Hate America blatherings) on Hannity & Colmes.

Colmes talks to him and then Hannity talks to him; fair and balanced.

Sean Allen has some interesting things to say--like how about 80% of class time was devoted to Bennish spewing his political views, and only about 20% was devoted to geography instruction.

[Montgomery Burns]

Start a new thread or address the one we're on.

You've never heard of the Salman Pak terrorist training camp? You know, the one with a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.

I have a judgement in a court of law.

What do you have to match that?

[Drew Bedson]

Class was globalization. US domination is not an evil thing considering they are the most sucessful country on the planet and are required to keep people like Saddam from dominating the globe in a reign of terror. Bennish did not utter anything that hated America. Rather he was telling students not to accept what was given to them by news and government but to look at it through a point of view of the eastern world.

The facts he gave on interference in the latin world along with the reality that the US did supply weapons to Iraq and Iran to keep their power concentrated on each other were correct. That is not evil but an intelligent reality.

I looked for it but never once did he expouse any view point from a personal perspective.

[Drew Bedson]

You've never heard of the Salman Pak terrorist training camp? You know, the one with a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.

Ya did. Were they training to do what they normally do and hold people as hostages? Or fly the thing into the nearest well, it doesn't fly does it? It just ...... kinda, well, it

it just sits there doesn't it?

Hey look. I don't say Saddam never knew terrorists, never said he didn't enjoy 911. However, I do say that Al Queda would be one sorry assed bunch of people if they conspired with him in any form with this. It would be kind of like phoning up Revenue Canada to ask if it was ok to claim your one eyed and deaf dog as a watch dog. Totally useless and, very risky considering the secrecy involved and the way Saddam operated.

The chances of him using that as an 'in' to get sanctions lifted are pretty good. Or, if you prefer not good, they were there. And, if you don't prefer, the way Al Queda, after all the effort and preparations they had gone through to risk that are like driving drunk through downtown Toronto at three am on a Sunday morning. Probably won't get caught but, chances so good that why bother when there really isn't any need to?

[Drew Bedson]

Video (4:56) of 16 y/o Sean Allen (student who taped Bennish's Hate America blatherings) on Hannity & Colmes.

Colmes talks to him and then Hannity talks to him; fair and balanced.

Sean Allen has some interesting things to say--like how about 80% of class time was devoted to Bennish spewing his political views, and only about 20% was devoted to geography instruction.

Listened to it. I respect Sean a lot and do listen to him but here, he is mongering up the wrong tree. And, if right, picked the wrong tape to use as an example of a left wing teacher slamming his views down kids throats. It's a good thing that I'm not a teacher otherwise I might say that I can understand why Al Queda has a following and in their part of the world, believe they have legitimate grips and their philosophy is correct. And furthermore, if I were a poor Arab youth with no hope or looking for a purpose in life might take on their cause as it is to them, a very logical and noble cause. But I'm not from there. I don't want to lose so they can win.

This is the part that so many people miss. They are not stupid, not insane, not lost, not morons. They can win this war if we don't recognize how serious the threat is.

However, I'm from the west. I understand these people can win and don't want them to. Basicly, it comes down to a clash of civilizations and the invasion of Iraq was a visionary step to beggining the War on Terror and pushing back this enemy. Promoting ours and pushing back the one they hope to drop down on us. Hence, we have to win this and, if we don't understand why they want to, then how can we hope to fight them? Dogmatic 'them bad. us good' is not a policy that people can follow unless they are robots. It is a war of ideas, even under all the hidious horror and military might it all comes down to simple ideas. Ours are better and, without people like this guy, nobody will have any clue as to how the enemy might look at us.

[sharkman]

For a teacher to bring up world issues and provoke the students to think is not wrong, to be ranting and making comparisons with Hitler is getting close to what we call in Canada hate speech. This guy obviously hates Bush, which is fine, but he's trying to get his students to hate him too. If he did that with the gay topic we'd all have no problem denouncing it, but since it's Bush, some can't see straight on the issue.

At any rate, the teacher in question will now be monitoring his comments a little more carefully, and someone should observe the kid's grading to see if it suddenly takes a nose dive. Good for the kid though, you have to stand up to liberals or they will just walk all over your silence.

[Drea]

this is priceless.

The right arguing with the further right!

Drew, thanks for the "normalcy". You are a conservative with a head on his shoulders and don't follow the Bushbots -- how refreshing.

LOL -- A flaming right wing bastard. Excellent.

I don't agree with equating Bush with Hitler. I do agree with making kids think.

MB, think of the life of a teacher for a moment...

A teacher is around people of all economic, political, and religious stripes. He needs to be able to relate to each of these differences. He needs to be able to communicate with them all. The only way to do that is to be open and tolerant of ALL ideas, not just the ones that are currently "popular" in the nation.

How do you feel about the teaching of creation as actual science? In public schools? Is this the correct thing to do? Should we teach the children to analyse creation and analyse evolution or should we just tell them what to think?