Neal.F. Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 :angry: If they had to rename an airport after this arrogant Liberal twit, they should have chosen Mirabel: It was his boondoggle, it cost the country a fortune, was totally useless, and is now dead! This is the same guy who legalized abortion, and sodomy, and opened the door to gay marriage and rule by judges with the Charter of rights, and who screwed Alberta families over with the NEP. They need to stop naming places after dead politicians. Especially Liberal ones. I'm getting tired of this. reminds me of Stalinist Statuary societies, building mementoes to their party elites. I think I'll make a point of starting my flights out of Burlington, VT. (UNless they rename that "bernie Sanders" or "Howard Dean") ----------------------------------------------------- Dorval to be renamed for ex-PM Trudeau NORTH BAY, Ont. (CP) - Montreal's Dorval airport will be renamed in honour of Pierre Trudeau with the approval of the former prime minister's two sons. "I spoke to Sacha Trudeau a couple of times last week and he was absolutely delighted," Transport Minister David Collenette said Thursday. The airport will be re-christened in September. Trudeau was responsible for the building of Mirabel airport north of Montreal which became a financial albatross around the neck of the federal government. The former prime minister's legacy is still hotly contested in Quebec. Separatists still see him as the man who thwarted Quebec's aspirations for independence. Federalists believe he made Quebecers and the French language pivotal to the daily functioning of the federal government. Prime Minister Jean Chretien said he was sure Quebecers will welcome the name change. They're going to be delighted," said Chretien, who has also been a polarizing figure in Quebec throughout his career. "This is a great Quebecer and a great Canadian." "I think it's a marvelous way of honouring a great Canadian." Collenette said Ottawa did not consult the Quebec government about the name change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 finally, our best PM ever gets some recogonition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 "This is a great Quebecer and a great Canadian." Far greater Quebecers and far greater Canadians are lying in the ground in Normandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast99 Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 (edited) Trudeau was a good manwho captured the hearts of millions of Canadians. I welcome the renaming of Dorval Airport. Edited August 11, 2015 by Gugsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I dont know if I like Trudeau the person. IMHO, he was in it for himself. I DO like Trudeau the Prime Minister though. He's the best we've had since Macdonald, and is still the best we had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I wouldn't rename an airport after Trudeau. Pearson in Toronto is justified because he was the last decent Liberal Prime Minister. Trudeau signaled the end of an era whereby free enterprise in this country became subject to an onlslaught of centralization, regulation, and taxation. Trudeau certainly voiced many important issues of social concern and his unusual charisma made him popular among youth and his stance on Quebec brought him popularity among the general public. However the economy took a ridiculous turn for the rest with unrestrained spending. I did not share Trudeau's "vision" of Canada and I think many people are now looking to his vision in a more critical, realistic light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 ALL of you me included YOUR belifs are not 50%+1 supported. Trudeau was popular enough to get elected quite a few times. weather you like him and his "socialist / Communist / destory the country" policies, is not at issue. Weather Canada does, IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I remember the reaction when the little crud from Shawinigan tried to rename Mount Logan after he who put us on the slippey slope of moral decline. I was so happy in '79 when he and his "comrades" finally got the boot.... and then Joe Clark had to bugger it all up for want of an abacus. HAd Joe's government survived even another 6 months, we'd have been spared the NEP, The Cahrter of rights, and a host of other disatrous policies, some with long tem ramifications. And Shane/Gugsy, Mulroney will never have anything named after him. He was in the wrong party. That is, unless Crouton wants to play a cruel joke on him and rename a sewage fiiltration plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Mulrooney will have a skrew driver named after him, because he helped the americans skrew us over pretty darn well. ---post edited, made "family" friendly--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 What strikes me as distinctly odd here is the Canadian post-Trudeau contradiction of socialist economics with elitist social values. This airport thing is just another example. Canadian history is replete with real heroes, but instead we name an airport after a highly controversial prime minister who should be remembered for his asinine policies. Canada has the economic aspirations of Soviet Russia, but unlike the Soviets has no heroes of industry or of the common man. The prized citizens of Canada are not the working people, they are the intellectual and political elite who have very little to do with the real world. Canadian society has the economic outlook of Marx and the social outlook of Nietzche. Does anyone else find this odd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Pellaken, Without free trade, Canadian Importers & Exporters would be up the creek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchneat Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I'm not sure exactly how Trudeau legalized abortion. He was a devout Catholic. I'm sure he regretted the Supreme Court decision. In any case, in all countries, airports get named after politicians. It builds national pride (apparently). In the case of Trudeau, I didn't support his policies, but the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a great legacy. (I'm I to understand that you oppose all the Charter decisions made thus far?) He led Canada through a difficult period of change and managed to keep the country in tact. (putting the best spin I can on his gov't) . Perhaps you should focus your anger against the current gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost in Manitoba Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 His vision for Canada may have been different than yours but I doubt you can argue that he did what he thought was best for Canada. The Just Society wasn't concieved to bring Canada down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast99 Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 (edited) Mulroney will never have anything named after him. He was in the wrong party. Edited August 11, 2015 by Gugsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaken Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Pellaken,Without free trade, Canadian Importers & Exporters would be up the creek. Mulrooney just happened to be the PC leader. I'm sure that any of the other PC leaders of the time would have accepted NAFTA. they would have not skrewed up as bad as looney mulrooney did though. also, whats with naming things after people. I went to deifenbaker school for a few years, in TO. at the time, I did not know what a defienbaker was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I'm not sure exactly how Trudeau legalized abortion. He was a devout Catholic. I'm sure he regretted the Supreme Court decision. In any case, in all countries, airports get named after politicians. It builds national pride (apparently). In the case of Trudeau, I didn't support his policies, but the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a great legacy. (I'm I to understand that you oppose all the Charter decisions made thus far?) He led Canada through a difficult period of change and managed to keep the country in tact. (putting the best spin I can on his gov't) . Perhaps you should focus your anger against the current gov't. He decriminalized it , along with Sodomy in the 1969 omnibus bill. As to being a devout Catholic, How could he be? Any advocacy of "choice" in the matter of abortion or approval of homosexual acts is against the teachings of the magisterium, so in effect, he should not have received communion until he repented of his error in those areas. To the best of my knowledge he never did so publicly, I just hope he did so privately. As for the Supreme court decision, he paved the way for that, with the omnibus bill and the Charter of Rights, which took power from the people and gave it to unelected judges. The current government is the product of his legacy as well. As for keeping the country intact, I'd point you to the night of the long knives, which has caused enormous turmoil which carries on to an extent , to this day, lessening only on account of the fact that many of those who remember it are getting too old, or dying off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 It's as divisive as was renaming Dorchester Blvd. "René Levesque". I still call it Dorchester. I say, let's leave the current name in place in remembrance of the late City of Dorval, whch was legislated out of existence as a City (demoted to Borough) by politicians who practiced political expediency. After all, Saddam Internationa Airport now bears the more accurate, and less offensive name of Baghdad International. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Read Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Trudeau was diplomatically speaking an arrogant idiot. Trudeau and Chretien must be viewed as the same. They both have pursued the following: 1. Increased Fed power 2. Increased Tax and debt levels 3. Anti-American racism 4. Post modern internationalism and soft [headed] power 5. Using the Charter as a cover for more gov't power [ie, judges and politicians redefining family and marriage]. 6. Emasculation of the military 7. Increased socialisation through health and regional subsidies as well as CBC propaganda Both these men are odious to those who know that orthodox liberal institutions and local accountability build up a wealthy society. The Feds should stick to the military, defence, security, and judicial realms and do as little as possible. They should steer the boat, not deconstruct it. Michael Bliss wrote an article in the NP today defending the courts ability to 'interpret' the Charter of Rights. It was assinine. Bliss basically defends Chretien stating that unelected judges are there to interpret legislation. He misses some key points: 1. Marriage and family are OUTSIDE of political interference. Division of powers. 2. Unelected judges are not superior to Parliament, in fact the reverse is true. 3. No proof exists that homosexuality should be considered more than a pyschological deviance. Welcome to Trudeau's Canada - a main reason why 40.000 professionals go to the States each year. I don't see 40.000 coming the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 If things don't turn around soon, I will move my business to the USA. Not California, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I am also considering moving to the United States, at my job, I meet alot of American's, and the majority of them are kind, and "not" arrogant. I am going to give Canada till 2008 to make a change, if either the left wing liberals or PC's get government, then I am moving to the United States, or joining a seperatist party. I hate the Canada I am living in now, this Canada is not the same Canada 100,000 men died for, they fought against brutal tyrants, in favor of individual liberty, free enterprise, and traditional values, all where of these values where corrupted by Pierre Trudeau who considered this country as bad a nazi germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast99 Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Bye AF. Have fun in the utopia south of the border. Gugsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Hey I'm all for it. And to continue with his legacy we can watch the Aircraft crash while they desparately try and figure out mills from degrees and kilometers from nautical miles once they reach airspace near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Read Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Well at least they HAVE transportation. The Canadians would need to ask for a plane, the pilots, and the maps. All due to spending cut of course - socialised health care and crying for the old being priorities. Oh and don't forget your holier than thou prayer book with sanctominioius hymn alongs - say along the lines of what the Germans used to sing in 1941 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted August 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 The big irony in this business of renaming Dorval "PET " is that when he ordered the Mirabel White Elephnt to be built (50 someodd km north of Montreal) it was to replace the "outdated" airport at Dorval, with a view to closing it outright.. So there were pitched battles, and finally they kept Dorval for domestic flights and Mirabel for International. Over the years, airline after airline stopped serving Mirabel, so they were losing big money. Then fianlly, it was decided to close Mirabel, and move International flights back to Dorval. So the brilliant Liberals are going to attach his name to the airport (and the surrounding community) he originally was prepared to destroy. I grew up literally almost next door to Dorval airport. I'd hate to see it named after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Isn't it just like the Liberals to try to force a process like "survival of the fittest" and "build a better mousetrap" into their fairy tale - "The Little Government That Could." Don't think of common sense, don't think economics or geo politics. Just think we can and it will happen. I remember somebody was trying to make Winnipeg the hub of North America once. The theory was that it was the center of North America. Forgetting of course that socially it is virtually at the North Pole and travellers might fall off the edge. They also forgot that Minniappolis serves the continent well for that purpose. Should name some new place like Red Earth Alberta's airport for him. Everything he would destroy, yet something that will bring the country economic life despite what he tried to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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