Muslim type cleansing

[Leafless]

In Pakistan in the town of Maiduguri Muslim fanatics burned Christian churches and killed Christian worshippers beating them to death.

In the Pakistan city of Peshawar a muslim cleric offered rewards up to $1-million dollars for anyone who killed Danish cartoonist of the Prophet Mohammad.

This is well beyond the scope of protest and is beginning to resemble a Muslim type Christian cleansing in an effort to elminate Christianity and civil liberties and install Islam utilizing acts of terror.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...60220?hub=World

http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_international.asp?id=130899

[Leafless]

Correction- should read- " anyone who killed danish cartoonists who drew caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad."

[Leafless]

These are serious happenings.

But there was another $1-million dollar (some say $3-million dollar) bounty put out by Ayatolla Khomeini for the life of Salmon Rushdie concerning his novel 'The Satanic Verses'.

But the disturbing part to-day is the intensity of these violent protest and killings which seem to concentrate on the fact to many Muslim's that there is no other religion and only one god their god.

It is disturbing to see these Muslim fanatics are all over the globe in different countries and that in many cases they are unable to abide the law of the land in that country and are supported by so called moderate Muslims who use civil liberties to protest in a non violent way.

This of course is not productive as it only encourages the radicals and moderate Muslims SHOULD know better.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/10/1410204

[moderateamericain]

These are serious happenings.

But there was another $1-million dollar (some say $3-million dollar) bounty put out by Ayatolla Khomeini for the life of Salmon Rushdie concerning his novel 'The Satanic Verses'.

But the disturbing part to-day is the intensity of these violent protest and killings which seem to concentrate on the fact to many Muslim's that there is no other religion and only one god their god.

It is disturbing to see these Muslim fanatics are all over the globe in different countries and that in many cases they are unable to abide the law of the land in that country and are supported by so called moderate Muslims who use civil liberties to protest in a non violent way.

This of course is not productive as it only encourages the radicals and moderate Muslims SHOULD know better.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/10/1410204

I believe a day is coming when people get sick of this on both sides, and the new crusades will begin, world war 3:muslim and friends vs rest of world

[sharkman]

And if that's the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, ask yourself this: Who has been more accepting of the other faith in their own countries in the context of this controversy, non-Muslims or Muslims? I would submit that the Muslim movement has been the aggressor and is now murdering Christians in some countries as they show complete intolerance of anything non-muslim.

[Leafless]

moderateamerican

You wrote- " I believe the day is coming when people get sick of this on both sides, and the new crusades will begin, world war 3: Muslims and friends vs. the rest of the world."

I think your world war has already started but is not recognized as such since no Arab country has officially declared war on any country but nevertheless certain groups are pursued right into there own countries concerning terrorist associated attacks.

Arab countries are a breeding ground for terrorist organizations and there are more than 30 of them and have struck in different countries all over the world.

So there are actually three groups of Muslims terrorist, radical or fanatical Muslims and moderate muslims all expressing a certain anti-American, Christian, Jew sentiments ranging from mild to extreme.

These attacks are totally unacceptable and how long this smouldering conditon will be allowed to continue I suppose is anyones guess before all hell breaks loose.

[margrace]

moderateamerican

You wrote- " I believe the day is coming when people get sick of this on both sides, and the new crusades will begin, world war 3: Muslims and friends vs. the rest of the world."

I think your world war has already started but is not recognized as such since no Arab country has officially declared war on any country but nevertheless certain groups are pursued right into there own countries concerning terrorist associated attacks.

Arab countries are a breeding ground for terrorist organizations and there are more than 30 of them and have struck in different countries all over the world.

So there are actually three groups of Muslims terrorist, radical or fanatical Muslims and moderate muslims all expressing a certain anti-American, Christian, Jew sentiments ranging from mild to extreme.

These attacks are totally unacceptable and how long this smouldering conditon will be allowed to continue I suppose is anyones guess before all hell breaks loose.

Does the world ever change? Back in the early parts of our time 1200 or so, the Muslims ruled a lot of the so called civilized world. They developed a lot of the improvements that we used today. The history of Spain bears reading for anyone interested in this.

Then came the crusades and the vicious rise of Christianity, not much different than today. Now Christianity is the one under attack. Round and round and we don't seem to learn anything except how to make deadlier weapons of annihilation. It isn't religion, it isn't democracy, it is greed for control that runs the worls.

[Leafless]

margrace

You wrote- " It isn't religion, it isn't democracy it is greed for control that runs the worls."

Self interest are conditons that come first on mostly anyone's agenda.

No system is perfect.

But in saying this I would have to say democracy combined with capitalism is about as close to a perfect system as you are EVER going to see.

Religion is NOT a forerunner concerning world progression and without progression there is no way the world would have evolved to the standards concerning a multitude of advancements that have benefitted mankind.

[arif]

I hope people can wrap their heads around this one,

Islam is against terrorism (if the terrorists can speak for it, why can't the moderates?).

Terrorism is the greatest threat to Islam.

Islamist terrorists are fundamentally heretical to the faith.

More Muslims die because of Islamist terrorism than non-Muslims.

Therefore, Muslims ought to fight alongside the rest of the world against Islamist terrorism.

Please join me in that fight, not include me as part of the enemy.

arif

[crazymf]

http://oldbluejacket.com/General_Patton_Message.htm

[margrace]

margrace

You wrote- " It isn't religion, it isn't democracy it is greed for control that runs the worls."

Self interest are conditons that come first on mostly anyone's agenda.

No system is perfect.

But in saying this I would have to say democracy combined with capitalism is about as close to a perfect system as you are EVER going to see.

Religion is NOT a forerunner concerning world progression and without progression there is no way the world would have evolved to the standards concerning a multitude of advancements that have benefitted mankind.

Leafless it is said that if we don't learn from history we must repeat it.

So if you go back into history you will find that the Muslims took over the world from the Romans. They created some of the most modern inventions and building for their time and they were experienceing a good live for their people at the time. No democracy of course because that is not in their beliefs.

Then the Crusades rose up to smite them. Christianity became the formost belief of our time and we drove them out. And in doing so committed some rather horrific atrosities.

And so it goes, who is committing the most atrosities now, good question aye, depends on which side you are on.

If you believe that Democracy or Religion really has anything to do whith what is goining on today well you are welcome to that belief.

We go around and around on who has controll. Evil raises its head and no country is immune. The Ayattollas and Bush are going head to head now over the control of peoples minds, and the wealth and power that goes with it.

[Leafless]

arif

You wrote- " Please join me in that fight, not include me as part of the enemy."

And it is commendable to hear you say that, but hopefully we will be hearing that same voice from Muzlims in groups in this country and around the world to help participate to end this conflict.

[Leafless]

margrace

You wrote- " If you believe Democracy or Religion has anything to do with what's going on to-day you are welcome to that belief. The Ayattollas and Bush are going head to head over the control of peoples minds, and the wealth and power that goes with it."

I already addressed that albeit not in great detail but said " Self interest are conditions that come first mostly on everyone's agenda."

You know of course democracy and capitalism is a system that served the world for many years and is a system that shares power and wealth.

Countries have been developed and most have a requirement for another countries resources and the need could get greater for many commodities as time progressess.

You would be very naive to think the world could or would exist in a peaceful manner with no universal system of commerce in place and that ever country would be just fine.

Do you actually think Arab countries are in the positon to introduce a brand new system that could peacefully include most countries to benefit and implement the huge infrastructure covering all aspects of modern society to do this?

[arif]

Leafless,

Democracy is the highest form of government, yet why is it failing all over the world? - hint elections don't equal democracy.

Capitalism is fine, but one of the reasons it works relatively well in the West and doesn't cause vast unhappiness for us is that we've had a strong labour movement and social democracy to counterbalance, and our nations have the economic power in the world. Shift to the globalization of capitalism without those protections, and you have the globalization of poverty. Consider this quote on the failure of global capitalism, from UNICEF in the eighties, regarding the crushing debt engineered by SAP through the Bretton Woods Institutions.

"...and when the impact becomes visible in rising death rates among children... then it is essential to strip away the niceties of economic parlance and say that what has happened is simply an outrage against a large section of humanity. The developing world's debt, both in the manner in which it was incurred and in the manner in which it is being "adjusted to", is an economic stain on the second half of the twentieth century. allowing world economic problems to be taken out on the growing minds and bodies of young children is the antithesis of all civilized behaviour. Nothing can justify it. And it shames and diminishes us all."

- Peter Adamson.

I would point out that things got worse in the 90's, and the Gleneagles Summit is like this. Suppose we were to assign an arbitrary number of 100 to Africa signifiying its level of crisis. I would say Gleneagles reduced that to about 97, still a long way to go.

Look, if you want markets all over the world to drive a world economy and a stable world, you'd be better of having healthy people working, buying and creating, then sick, dying and desperate.

Social capitalism?

Margrace, I appreciate your comments regarding Islam. Trying to educate people about the religion as a whole, it's positive impacts throughout history etc. is a frustrating battle these days. What we have is not a "clash of civilizations", but a clash of ignorance.

arif

[Leafless]

arif

You wrote- " Democracy is the highest form of government, yet why is it failing all over the world."

Your statements are incoherent and you are not properly identfying what exactly your talking about but generalizing thoughts pertaining to your own frame of mind.

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margrace

You wrote- " It isn't religion, it isn't democracy it is greed for control that runs the worls."

Self interest are conditons that come first on mostly anyone's agenda.

No system is perfect.

But in saying this I would have to say democracy combined with capitalism is about as close to a perfect system as you are EVER going to see.

Religion is NOT a forerunner concerning world progression and without progression there is no way the world would have evolved to the standards concerning a multitude of advancements that have benefitted mankind.

Leafless it is said that if we don't learn from history we must repeat it.

So if you go back into history you will find that the Muslims took over the world from the Romans. They created some of the most modern inventions and building for their time and they were experienceing a good live for their people at the time. No democracy of course because that is not in their beliefs.

Then the Crusades rose up to smite them. Christianity became the formost belief of our time and we drove them out. And in doing so committed some rather horrific atrosities.

And so it goes, who is committing the most atrosities now, good question aye, depends on which side you are on.

If you believe that Democracy or Religion really has anything to do whith what is goining on today well you are welcome to that belief.

We go around and around on who has controll. Evil raises its head and no country is immune. The Ayattollas and Bush are going head to head now over the control of peoples minds, and the wealth and power that goes with it.

The Crusades rose up because of Muslim agression and expansionism - revisionist and pc history aside, the Muslims at that time committed as many or more atrocities than the Christians. All in the name of Jihad and a worldwide Caliphate. Pope Urban II officially declared the First Crusade in 1095, with the aim of liberating former Christian lands.

I agree with leafless "But in saying this I would have to say democracy combined with capitalism is about as close to a perfect system as you are EVER going to see." so far, with all its warts, the western world has the highest standard of living and looks after its citizens better than most. No system is perfect, neither is the U.S., I don't agree with the Iraq war, it was a big mistake, but its still one of the best countries in the world to live in. I don't let the mistakes of one man colour my whole perception of the U.S. and I don't consider it evil.