Tories create committee to scrap gun registry.

[shoop]

So the Conservatives are already moving to scrap the hated gun registry - link.

Good for them. A good step. Appealing to their base and showing their promises will be kept.

[fixer1]

I think that the long gun registry was one of the stupiest things that ever was brought out by a government. I believe they did this just to give employment to Marimachi New Brunswick, because there is no other sensible reason for it. It does not control the weapons in any way and it tends to make criminals of people wo use these rifles to hunt and for pest control. Canada being a vast country and still having many wild areas, where few should venture without weapons for security, means that we should not be even entertaining the idea of this registry. The costs are 1000 times first projected and the fact that even when registering the guns, the registrtion always seems to get lost some where along the way.

The wife and myself registered 4 rifles that we have, and we had to re-register them 3 more times before they finally acknowledged them. During that time had a police officer or any law enforcement officer came to the house and saw the guns, and checked for registrtion, both my wife and myself cou;ld have been charged. It is such a farce. I for one will not be sorry to see the registry gone.

[geoffrey]

I think that the long gun registry was one of the stupiest things that ever was brought out by a government. I believe they did this just to give employment to Marimachi New Brunswick, because there is no other sensible reason for it. It does not control the weapons in any way and it tends to make criminals of people wo use these rifles to hunt and for pest control. Canada being a vast country and still having many wild areas, where few should venture without weapons for security, means that we should not be even entertaining the idea of this registry. The costs are 1000 times first projected and the fact that even when registering the guns, the registrtion always seems to get lost some where along the way.

The wife and myself registered 4 rifles that we have, and we had to re-register them 3 more times before they finally acknowledged them. During that time had a police officer or any law enforcement officer came to the house and saw the guns, and checked for registrtion, both my wife and myself cou;ld have been charged. It is such a farce. I for one will not be sorry to see the registry gone.

I actually heard that in a few places police were refusing to enforce expired permits.

The costs of this project are ridiculous. I run a small-business doing imaging and records for the oil industry and I could have done this project from the specs released for maybe 5% of the price and still came out a millionaire.

[crazymf]

YESSSSSS!!!!!!

[cybercoma]

Unfortunate thing for Miramichi. There really isn't much employment out in NB, this is terrible news for that province.

[geoffrey]

Unfortunate thing for Miramichi. There really isn't much employment out in NB, this is terrible news for that province.

Got to hate it when people take away jobs that shouldn't have existed to begin with.

Actually New Brunswick is doing pretty good economically lately, I'm sure its not solely because of the gun registry!

[Slavik44]

One billion dollars, I think that could have saved a life, if it had gone into something productive and worthwhile the gun registry was a vote buying waste of money, that diverted money away from other programs, that certainly could have improved/saved lives. Even though 90 million dollars a year is not that much in the big picture I am sure it can do more good elsewhere.

[shoop]

You know a programme has no right to exist if the only qualm with it being cancelled is that the jobs it *created* will disappear. Government jobs should only exist when the programmes they are related to do some other good for out society. Clearly not the case in this example.

Got to hate it when people take away jobs that shouldn't have existed to begin with.

Actually New Brunswick is doing pretty good economically lately, I'm sure its not solely because of the gun registry!

[no1important]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

[geoffrey]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

So enlighten the rest of Canadians. What exactly is this gun registry supposed to do? Other than give jobs to New Brunswick?

[Hicksey]

So the Conservatives are already moving to scrap the hated gun registry - link.

Good for them. A good step. Appealing to their base and showing their promises will be kept.

I am results oriented. When they do more than get together so we can pay for their $100 a plate dinners while they talk about doing what they said they would do, then we can talk.

Why waste more money contemplating ending a program that has been nothing but a waste of money?

I'd be sad to end a program that has cost taxpayers billions if it wasn't slightly less useful than used toilet paper.

[tml12]

So the Conservatives are already moving to scrap the hated gun registry - link.

Good for them. A good step. Appealing to their base and showing their promises will be kept.

Very good and about damn time.

[HistoryBuff44]

I hope that Harper is able to make the government more accountable as he is promising because things like the registry just make me shake my head. that useless thing had no hope of preventing gun crime, and if they had asked anyone who has a clue they would have known that. that was a huge waste of money and the government should not be allowed to just start something like that without doing the proper research.

Like the saying goes "Guns dont kill people, people kill people." Course it was all just a stunt by Jean Chretien anyway to keep Canadians attention focus away from something else that was going on...

[margrace]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

I do not need a gun, the only person I know who needs a gun in their house is a farmer who must protect his livestock from predators.

Cottages and homea are being broken into in our area just to steal guns, It they were not there it would not happen.

Hand guns should be prohibited to everyone except police and law enforcement, no one needs a hand gun under any circumstances.

[shoop]

I don't even understand what *freeped* means. Care to explain? And what the American gun lobby would have to gain by doing so.

Any evidence for these *break-ins* to steal guns?

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

I do not need a gun, the only person I know who needs a gun in their house is a farmer who must protect his livestock from predators.

Cottages and homea are being broken into in our area just to steal guns, It they were not there it would not happen.

Hand guns should be prohibited to everyone except police and law enforcement, no one needs a hand gun under any circumstances.

[wellandboy]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

This was ill-planned and ill-conceived from the get go. Placing the obscene cost overruns on law abiding citizens is as insulting as it is incorrect. The responsibility for this scandal and it is a scandal, must be placed wholly upon the Federal Government.

[FTA Lawyer]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

I do not need a gun, the only person I know who needs a gun in their house is a farmer who must protect his livestock from predators.

Cottages and homea are being broken into in our area just to steal guns, It they were not there it would not happen.

Hand guns should be prohibited to everyone except police and law enforcement, no one needs a hand gun under any circumstances.

This was a make-work program for Miramichi...plain and simple. How do you "re-tool" something that is a complete failure? Consider this...if the extra 998 million dollars was due to things like internet sabotage and intentional mis-filing of applications etc., what makes you think that people have complied with the registry?

Trust me, there are tens of thousands of guns out there (that were 100% legally owned before the registry, and are now illegal only because unregistered) that are not in the system...not to mention the tens of thousands more that are in the hands of criminals and will NEVER BE REGISTERED!!!! (why can't people get this?)

Even if the theory of registration leading to safety wasn't fatally flawed (which of course it is) the registry is a total failure because of non-compliance (and the refusal of Provinces like Alberta to enforce the registration laws).

And...who do you think most of the registrants of firearms are?? They ARE farmers and ranchers...followed next by hunters (many of whom are also farmers and ranchers) and sporting shooters (including Olympic athletes and hopefuls).

And...if guns are being stolen as rampantly as you allude to, it is because they are not being stored safely (and we already had safe-storage laws before the billion blown in the registry) AND...unsafely stored guns will be stolen whether or not they have a registration certificate.

Seriously, are people that mind-numbingly stupid? What the hell does a gun registry do to prevent theft of firearms? NOTHING!!!

No one who tries will steal guns from me. They are stored inside a several hundred pound steel safe inside a locked room the keys to which are themselves safely stored away from anyone who shouldn't have access to the room.

AND FINALLY, handguns are virtually banned in Canada...the fact is that 99% of Canadians who are not police / law enforcement or military cannot qualify for the licensing requirements to own handguns. And handguns have been registered for decades prior to the long-gun registry, and oh...'lo and behold...handgun crimes still happen? Could that mean that registration doesn't prevent crime?

I'm not sure why I still bother to educate people on this issue...

FTA

[wellandboy]

FTA, I understand your frustration, but the people who want the gun registry don't want people to have guns plain and simple. They don't like hunting but mainly don't like hunters. It is viewed as a cruel and primitive sport , that doesn't fit within their view of the world. I should point out that I'm not a hunter but a serious angler and hear these arguments all the time. This is the same Federal government that wanted to ban all lead sinkers for fishing based little or no science. When challenged by groups like the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, they couldn't and haven't provided any evidence in two years. This issue should die, thankfully.

The good story about registering a shotgun came from a friend of mine. When the paperwork came back as incomplete, he spent hours calling the firearms Centre. When he finally got through he was told his Winchester shotgun didn't exist because it wasn't in their database. Pictoral evidence ,a notarized submission by the OPP and six months of silliness passed before he finally got things resolved. There are thousand of these stories.

[politika]

Now we can tell all thos eLiberal supporters who think COnservatives lie that they were wrong about the CPC

[FTA Lawyer]

FTA, I understand your frustration, but the people who want the gun registry don't want people to have guns plain and simple. They don't like hunting but mainly don't like hunters. It is viewed as a cruel and primitive sport , that doesn't fit within their view of the world. I should point out that I'm not a hunter but a serious angler and hear these arguments all the time. This is the same Federal government that wanted to ban all lead sinkers for fishing based little or no science. When challenged by groups like the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, they couldn't and haven't provided any evidence in two years. This issue should die, thankfully.

The good story about registering a shotgun came from a friend of mine. When the paperwork came back as incomplete, he spent hours calling the firearms Centre. When he finally got through he was told his Winchester shotgun didn't exist because it wasn't in their database. Pictoral evidence ,a notarized submission by the OPP and six months of silliness passed before he finally got things resolved. There are thousand of these stories.

Wow...I'm not the only one who gets it! Thanks for the reply.

I have a gong-show story of my own with the registry. I own a WWII training rifle that was manufactured by Springfield Arms...but because it was made for the military it wasn't given a serial number!

This is not an unusual scenario, and even worse, Springfield bought out a few other arms makers over the years and as it did, it continued to use up inventories before fully converting to its own manufactuing so, there are hundreds of rifles out there with identical serial numbers, and hundreds more with two different manufacturer's stamps etc etc.

Anyway, I too had to deal with pictures, affidavits and months of my own fighting to prove that my gun actually existed before I could register it. And then, once Miramichi was convinced the gun was not imaginary, they sent me a sticker with a CFC generated serial number with instructions to place it on the barrel of the gun.

Yes, my gun is properly registered by way of a STICKER on the barrel. And the best part is that the instructions required me to place the sticker in a location which, on this particular gun, means that it is completely hidden from view unless you literally dismantle the firearm.

I can't wait for the first time a cop wants me to prove its legal!

Thankfully out here in AB the provincial gov't is simply ignoring the enforcement of the registry, so I should be safe until Harper has managed to do away with the insanity.

FTA

[Montgomery Burns]

Stockwell Day: Canadians will be shocked by true cost of gun registry

Canadians will be shocked by the true cost of the federal government's ill-fated gun registry, says new Public Security Minister Stockwell Day.

Day told The Canadian Press that figures bureaucrats have shown him during briefings for his new portfolio are much higher than previously thought. He would not divulge what the tab is, but said it's upsetting.

"Some of these numbers, when we get out all the numbers and when the auditor general releases them all very soon, eyebrows are going to go up," he said Thursday.

"People are going to be upset and they're going to have a right to be upset."

[Spike22]

I personally thought the gun registry was a good thing when introduced and wondered why all guns were not registered already (something that could injury or kill should be controlled/regulated/tracked IMHO)

That being said the program cost is rediculous. Fifty grade 8 students armed with a Micr$haft Access database program could have done the same job and worked for nothing more than movie tickets and video games and got it done in a much shorter period of time.

[scribblet]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

Huh ! How in ell can you 'freep' the gun registry site, whatever that means.

I hear rumours that say the true cost of the gun registry is up to $4 Billion, if so, this is good news, should help kill it and keep the liberal heads down for a while .

[wellandboy]

I think it should not be abandoned it just need to be re tooled so the costs are not so out of line in setting it up and running it.

You are so right, firstly a lot of the cost overrun was created by people who diliberately freeped the site to create chaos. How do we know that this was not done in large part by the American gun lobby.

Huh ! How in ell can you 'freep' the gun registry site, whatever that means.

I hear rumours that say the true cost of the gun registry is up to $4 Billion, if so, this is good news, should help kill it and keep the liberal heads down for a while .

What's $4 billion amongst friends.

[Army Guy]

What i find impossiable to imagine is how could any sub dept spend 1 bil let alone 4 bil dollars, they have no major equipment to purchase. If what FTA is saying is true that security is the issue could the goverment not have purchase a wpns locker for each gun owner for that amount of money.

Are they still hiring because they must be paying pretty good.