Religion in Our Schools

[Hicksey]

I, personally, love this one.

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One day, a 6 year old girl was sitting in a classroom. The Teacher was

explaining evolution to the children. During the discussion, the Teacher

asked a little boy:

TEACHER: Tommy do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see GOD?

TOMMY: No.

TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see GOD because HE isn't there. HE

just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up wanting to ask the boy some questions.

The Teacher agreed.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL; Tommy, do you see the Teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today, she doesn't

have one!

[Leafless]

Hicksey

Are you implying our previous Liberal government were brainless concerning support for Canada's national religion Christianity?

[Hicksey]

Hicksey

Are you implying our previous Liberal government were brainless concerning support for Canada's national religion Christianity?

There were no implications beyond the humor of it, but that the Liberal government was brainless is a no brainer.

[tml12]

Hicksey

Are you implying our previous Liberal government were brainless concerning support for Canada's national religion Christianity?

There were no implications beyond the humor of it, but that the Liberal government was brainless is a no brainer.

Martin's dithering decision (try saying that ten times fast) to allow same-sex marriage and then seemingly feel so awful about allowing it that it appeared he may go to Confession was quite hilarious.

Talk about playing both sides of the issue.

[YankAbroad]

I wish they'd spend less time trying to tell us what shouldn't be taught in schools and more time matching what's taught in schools to ongoing career needs. . .

[tml12]

I wish they'd spend less time trying to tell us what shouldn't be taught in schools and more time matching what's taught in schools to ongoing career needs. . .

I have often been criticized for believing that the primary function of schools should to equip future generations to find jobs, but how can it be any other way?

[Hicksey]

I wish they'd spend less time trying to tell us what shouldn't be taught in schools and more time matching what's taught in schools to ongoing career needs. . .

I have often been criticized for believing that the primary function of schools should to equip future generations to find jobs, but how can it be any other way?

Anyone believing any different isn't seeing the big picture, though if our schools don't improve and start holding students accountable more they will amount to nothing more than state sponsored daycare.

[fixer1]

I believe the public school system should have complete seperation of church from its agenda. Religion is something that should be taught by the church, not by the teachers of the public system. It probably was the misguided teachings of the old public system that started me wondering about many things different from many different religions, and while many will say that is a good thing, I will say differently, because I today do not belive in any religion. I take the scientific route of eveolution, and believe that all the different religions were nothing more then stories and fables used to try to guide people into certain standards of life.

I do not think that this has harmed me, but I can not say that for the millions who take their religion so far as to take up arms and go after others who believe differently. History has taught us that religious wars never truly end, but merely go dormant for a time. It is hard then to understand how the main idea of all religions of finding a peaceful existence, has seemingly gone so wrong so many times. That is why I believe if we teach children in the public system a non-religious classes, maybe they will be the start of a new age where religious extremism is not found.

[Hicksey]

I believe the public school system should have complete seperation of church from its agenda. Religion is something that should be taught by the church, not by the teachers of the public system. It probably was the misguided teachings of the old public system that started me wondering about many things different from many different religions, and while many will say that is a good thing, I will say differently, because I today do not belive in any religion. I take the scientific route of eveolution, and believe that all the different religions were nothing more then stories and fables used to try to guide people into certain standards of life.

I do not think that this has harmed me, but I can not say that for the millions who take their religion so far as to take up arms and go after others who believe differently. History has taught us that religious wars never truly end, but merely go dormant for a time. It is hard then to understand how the main idea of all religions of finding a peaceful existence, has seemingly gone so wrong so many times. That is why I believe if we teach children in the public system a non-religious classes, maybe they will be the start of a new age where religious extremism is not found.

Religion has been in public schools in my lifetime only in the form of the Lord's Prayer, and even that has been pulled. You've (collective) gotten your wish. Now people of your ilk are trying to get the government to stop funding for catholic schools. That I disagree with. I have no problems with other religions that run schools getting funding as long as they meet minimum standards and don't expect any more per student than the rest of us. People of your beliefs have a school system absent religion.

[geoffrey]

I wish they'd spend less time trying to tell us what shouldn't be taught in schools and more time matching what's taught in schools to ongoing career needs. . .

I have often been criticized for believing that the primary function of schools should to equip future generations to find jobs, but how can it be any other way?

For the 90% of the population that won't really contribute anything past their labour to society, your exactly right. But the other 10% should be getting something more out of school than just employability skills. Maybe we need to start assessing children at a young age (6 or 7) and spliting them up into class levels dependant on their intelligence. Smart kids get a liberal arts and science education, the remainder get trade labour and employability skills. The benifets to society would be enormous, and I'm about to get called a fascist.

[Wilber]

I think students should be taught about religions but not taught religion. Religion has always been a major mover of world events, no more so than right now. To ignore religions and their effect on the world is just plain stupid.

[August1991]

Hicksey

Are you implying our previous Liberal government were brainless concerning support for Canada's national religion Christianity?

Canada's national religion is Christianity? That's news to me. Tell me, is it Protestantism or Roman Catholicism?

BTW, education is a provincial jurisdiction so we don't have a "national" education system.

[August1991]

Maybe we need to start assessing children at a young age (6 or 7) and spliting them up into class levels dependant on their intelligence. Smart kids get a liberal arts and science education, the remainder get trade labour and employability skills. The benifets to society would be enormous, and I'm about to get called a fascist.

Geoff, who would have the authority to make the decision about what direction a young child should take? Would the decision be subject to appeal?

Your idea is not wrong because it is fascist; it is wrong because it is impractical.

[geoffrey]

Maybe we need to start assessing children at a young age (6 or 7) and spliting them up into class levels dependant on their intelligence. Smart kids get a liberal arts and science education, the remainder get trade labour and employability skills. The benifets to society would be enormous, and I'm about to get called a fascist.

Geoff, who would have the authority to make the decision about what direction a young child should take? Would the decision be subject to appeal?

Your idea is not wrong because it is fascist; it is wrong because it is impractical.

True, you'd have people that would score higher on different parts of testing and all that. I guess it would be impractical, too much subjective judging on what intelligence is most important... Oh well...

[tml12]

I wish they'd spend less time trying to tell us what shouldn't be taught in schools and more time matching what's taught in schools to ongoing career needs. . .

I have often been criticized for believing that the primary function of schools should to equip future generations to find jobs, but how can it be any other way?

For the 90% of the population that won't really contribute anything past their labour to society, your exactly right. But the other 10% should be getting something more out of school than just employability skills. Maybe we need to start assessing children at a young age (6 or 7) and spliting them up into class levels dependant on their intelligence. Smart kids get a liberal arts and science education, the remainder get trade labour and employability skills. The benifets to society would be enormous, and I'm about to get called a fascist.

The separating of students into different classes based on level of understanding of the subject, "streaming," has proven to be an extremely effective method.

I think it should be continued because it benefits all learners.

[geoffrey]

The separating of students into different classes based on level of understanding of the subject, "streaming," has proven to be an extremely effective method.

I think it should be continued because it benefits all learners.

Definitely agreed by everyone I'm sure. What I was stating there was having kids take different classes based on their intelligence... which I've since thought about and realised it was crazy.

[tml12]

The separating of students into different classes based on level of understanding of the subject, "streaming," has proven to be an extremely effective method.

I think it should be continued because it benefits all learners.

Definitely agreed by everyone I'm sure. What I was stating there was having kids take different classes based on their intelligence... which I've since thought about and realised it was crazy.

That's cool...your clarification has been well-received...

[Leafless]

August1991

You wrote- " Canada's national religion is Christianity? That's news to me. Tell me is it Prostestantism or Catholicism?"

BTW, education is a provincial jurisdiction so we don't have a national educational system."

Canada's national or better still majority religion is Christianity. Check out the numbers yourself.

Catholicism and Protestantism are both major denominations under the Christian religion concerning Christ's teachings and both are supported in certain provinces.

I never said we have a national education system but now that you mentioned we do.

Education does fall under provincial jurisdiction and is funded by both provincial funds and federal transfer payments.

Without federal transfer payments which is around 50% I believe the publicly funded school system would fall apart and the only ones with access to schools would be the rich.

So technically we do have a national school system.

BTW- The federal support concerning religion I was implying is in the form of moral support for our majority religion, the kind necessary to build a strong country to achieve a sense of belonging, loyality and dedication to the country we built and support.

[BubberMiley]

But you ignore statistics that show that less than 30% of the country go to church. They may come from a christian background, but they've given largely given up on it. The majority believes in secularism, especially in the schools and in government. Allah be praised.

[Leafless]

BubberMiley

When compiling statistics concerning what your religion is the main question is what is your religious affiliation NOT how many times you go to church-ha-ha-ha.

I think you better lay off those weeds your always talking about.

[BubberMiley]

BubberMiley

When compiling statistics concerning what your religion is the main question is what is your religious affiliation NOT how many times you go to church-ha-ha-ha.

I think you better lay off those weeds your always talking about.

And I'm a protestant, according to statistics canada, but a god-hating atheist according to you. I was confirmed as an anglican when I was a kid, but I haven't entered a church since---god knows when.

[Leafless]

BubberMiley

You wrote- " And I am Protestant according to statistics canada, but a god hating atheist according to you. I was confirmined as an anglican when I was a kid, but I haven't entered a church since---god knows when."

Then this makes you a hypocrite according to me as you will not confirm the true status of your religious affilliation which is no affiliation and you are either either an agnostic or an atheist.

But if you are content with being recorded and on file as a Anglican that makes you an Anglican albeit a non-practicing one.