Pedophiles waiting in line....

[betsy]

Have you guys heard of NAMBLA?

National Man-Boy Love Association. This group supports and root for the triumph of the Gay Rights Movement, for the simple reason that once the can gets opened, anything goes.

This will prove to be a very controversial discussion....and I'm already bracing myself of getting labeled, "homophobe!"

[CCGirl]

Have you guys heard of NAMBLA?

National Man-Boy Love Association. This group supports and root for the triumph of the Gay Rights Movement, for the simple reason that once the can gets opened, anything goes.

This will prove to be a very controversial discussion....and I'm already bracing myself of getting labeled, "homophobe!"

Yes, I have heard of NAMBLA.

I am waiting for you to post links as to their motivations regarding "gay rights".

What do you want to discuss about them?

[Duke]

Never heard of them! What do they want ...marry boys?

[CCGirl]

Never heard of them! What do they want ...marry boys?

From their website:

Our goal is to end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen, mutually consensual relationships.

Not sure what this has to do with "gay rights" or SSM.

[fellowtraveller]

NAMBLA has nothing at all to do with gay rights, SSM or homosexuality.

It is about pedophilia.

Our goal is to end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen, mutually consensual relationships

This conveniently overlooks the reality that boys are children, and by law cannot 'freely choose' or have 'consensual relationships'. The correct term is 'statutory rape'. Disgusting pigs.

[betsy]

Please refer to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

Then scroll down a bit til you find a list of contents. Check THE ILGA CONTROVERSY.

[Hicksey]

NAMBLA believes that like homosexuality, pedophilia is a sexual preference and that its members deserve the same rights and recognition as homosexuals. They believe they should be able to not only engage in sexual acts, have relationships with, but also marry their partners.

And the Polygamists aren't going to be far behind in the parade to demand rights and recognition.

[sage]

Who would have thought such an organization even existed. Astounding really.

Members of this outfit take themselves seriously?

[fellowtraveller]

NAMBLA believes that like homosexuality, pedophilia is a sexual preference and that its members deserve the same rights and recognition as homosexuals. They believe they should be able to not only engage in sexual acts, have relationships with, but also marry their partners.

And the Polygamists aren't going to be far behind in the parade to demand rights and recognition.

But that is a completely ridiculous analogy.

Pedophilia is about men preying on children, always.

The vast majority of polygamy involves consenting adults. If children of any sex are involved in polygamous relationships, it must be criminalized not because there are more than two persons involved, but because children are involved. To discriminate against a relationship solely because it involves 2+ people is no different than other forms of bigotry.

[Hicksey]

NAMBLA believes that like homosexuality, pedophilia is a sexual preference and that its members deserve the same rights and recognition as homosexuals. They believe they should be able to not only engage in sexual acts, have relationships with, but also marry their partners.

And the Polygamists aren't going to be far behind in the parade to demand rights and recognition.

But that is a completely ridiculous analogy.

Pedophilia is about men preying on children, always.

The vast majority of polygamy involves consenting adults. If children of any sex are involved in polygamous relationships, it must be criminalized not because there are more than two persons involved, but because children are involved. To discriminate against a relationship solely because it involves 2+ people is no different than other forms of bigotry.

I was just repeating what their assertions are.

I agree that any sexual activity between children and adults must remain illegal and punished as severely as can be.

[fellowtraveller]

I was just repeating what their assertions are.

You noted what the NAMBLA believes, then linked it to polygamy in your next sentence.. That is what I was disputing, as the two are not analogous.

[betsy]

I have scores of printed materials taken from the web when I was in a heated discussion at a US forum.

They include statistical datas and researches....

My concern is that:

if I post those materials, will I be in violation of the new gag law? Will I get into legal trouble?

[betsy]

But that is a completely ridiculous analogy.

Pedophilia is about men preying on children, always.

Some of the research datas I've got will surprise you.

[betsy]

While reaserching for my arguments in that forum approx. 2 years ago, I accidentally stumbled on what looked like a memo between two pedophiles from Quebec. I don't know how I got in. They were excitedly awaiting the result of the Gay group lobbying.

[fellowtraveller]

Some of the research datas I've got will surprise you.

While reaserching for my arguments in that forum approx. 2 years ago, I accidentally stumbled on what looked like a memo between two pedophiles from Quebec. I don't know how I got in. They were excitedly awaiting the result of the Gay group lobbying.

Are you implying or insinuating that gay men are inherently pedophiles?

Note that pedophiles prey on both sexes.

Note that the vast majority of heterosexuals and homsexuals are not interested in children as sexual partners.

[Black Dog]

Please refer to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

Then scroll down a bit til you find a list of contents. Check THE ILGA CONTROVERSY.

Perhaps you should read the rest of the article, which demonstrates that NAMBLA has been rejected by mainstream gay organizations:

In 1994 the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

Also, this:

More recently, media reports have suggested that for practical purposes the group no longer exists and that it consists only of a web site maintained by a few enthusiasts.

[arif]

So, these NAMBLA criminals want to use the gay rights movement to their advantage, and the opponents of gay rights want to use the NAMBLA criminals falsely aligning themselves with it to their advantage.

Who gets caught in the middle is a perfectly legitimate rights movement, not exactly fair, when the very foundation of gay rights are relations between consenting adults.

And that's exactly why NAMBLA won't succeed, and the gay rights movement has dissociated itself completely from their efforts.

Arif

[betsy]

Please take note of the title on this topic. And the content of my first post.

The point I'm making is that success of the Gay Rights Movement opens the door for others.

Wife-Swapping, swinging is now very acceptable...according to our Supreme Court. Apparently our courts are very confident that nobody is getting hurt....psychologically manipulated...coerced....in participating in these acts. Women are all strong now that to think that anyone is in anyway abused or coerced to degrading acts is just being silly.

So what was the uproar all about about when the Supreme Court sez practically that these are just normal acts and must be tolerated....since we live in a very tolerant society?

Hicksey mentioned about polygamy....because polygamy is now following close to the heels of the Gay Rights Movement when they succeeded in changing the traditional definition of marriage.

Polygamy advocates are now challenging the the words "ONE man, ONE woman."

Acceptance of bestiality is not far behind. A woman got "married" in a televised ceremony to a....dolphin.

This may be a tongue-in-cheek scenario right now....but how long before someone demands "equal" rights?

So, why shouldn't pedophiles have their rights too? I mean....let's be fair here.

After all, a Gay magazine contends that there's no harm with boys having sex with older men....just think of it as positive mentoring.

[betsy]

Just want to back up some of my points with these links. Just read them, then we'll discuss.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_lD=27431

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

[betsy]

Just want to back up some of my points with these links. Just read them, then we'll discuss.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_lD=27431

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=27431

[betsy]

Are you implying or insinuating that gay men are inherently pedophiles?

I am not painting everyone with one brush. Not all homosexuals are inherently pedophiles.

But the lobbying that happened and succeeded in Europe...and happening in other parts of the world makes me wonder why the Gay Rights Movement would even think of lobbying for this...especially if they want to distance themselves with NAMBLA.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/mar/04030105.html

[betsy]

This is most recent I think. Pedophilia is winning.

http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/archives/004600.html

[Hicksey]

I was just repeating what their assertions are.

You noted what the NAMBLA believes, then linked it to polygamy in your next sentence.. That is what I was disputing, as the two are not analogous.

Again, I was just giving you their argument for recognition. I was not making a link where they were not.

I think its as disgusting as the next person.

[Hicksey]

Please take note of the title on this topic. And the content of my first post.

The point I'm making is that success of the Gay Rights Movement opens the door for others.

Wife-Swapping, swinging is now very acceptable...according to our Supreme Court. Apparently our courts are very confident that nobody is getting hurt....psychologically manipulated...coerced....in participating in these acts. Women are all strong now that to think that anyone is in anyway abused or coerced to degrading acts is just being silly.

So what was the uproar all about about when the Supreme Court sez practically that these are just normal acts and must be tolerated....since we live in a very tolerant society?

Hicksey mentioned about polygamy....because polygamy is now following close to the heels of the Gay Rights Movement when they succeeded in changing the traditional definition of marriage.

Polygamy advocates are now challenging the the words "ONE man, ONE woman."

Acceptance of bestiality is not far behind. A woman got "married" in a televised ceremony to a....dolphin.

This may be a tongue-in-cheek scenario right now....but how long before someone demands "equal" rights?

So, why shouldn't pedophiles have their rights too? I mean....let's be fair here.

After all, a Gay magazine contends that there's no harm with boys having sex with older men....just think of it as positive mentoring.

betsy,

I know that last paragraph reeks of sarcasm, but it had to hurt to write that. Its not disgusting on the basis of the homosexual tones, rather calling pedohpilia 'postive mentoring'.

Anyone touches my kids before they're of age and I'll do everything I can to make them feel both the legal and physical consequences. Man or woman. Now, having said that -- I wouldn't hit a woman. [sarcastic humor a la Glen Foster] But I do think that when women do something to deserve it, there should be women you can call ... [/humor] All joking aside though, anyone trying this with my kids will rue the day they even thought of it let alone the day they got caught.

[scribblet]

Are you implying or insinuating that gay men are inherently pedophiles?

I am not painting everyone with one brush. Not all homosexuals are inherently pedophiles.

But the lobbying that happened and succeeded in Europe...and happening in other parts of the world makes me wonder why the Gay Rights Movement would even think of lobbying for this...especially if they want to distance themselves with NAMBLA.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/mar/04030105.html

Isn't NAMBLA along with Egale et al lobbying the U.N. to have the age of consent lowered? I read about that some time ago but can't find the link again.