Liberal Racism

[tml12]

As for "liberal racism," how come conservative Republicans only seem to think race-baiting is bad when liberals do it, but are happy to do it themselves?

Give an example of republicans race baiting.

The Rush Limbaugh show provides almost daily examples, particularly re: Carol Moseley-Braun, Jesse Jackson, etc.

In terms of politicians, the Trent Lott fiasco comes to mind.

1.) I listen to Rush and I don't recall any isntances of him "race-baiting". Making fun of Jesse jackson is not race-baiting. The man mankes an ass out of himself and Rush simply makes fun or him for doing it.

2.) Trent lott wasn't pitting the race against each other as a tatic, as the dems do in every election and on most social issues (Mayor Nagin's "chocolate city" & Hillary's "planation" comments were just examples from last week). He was just made a racist comment. Not nearly as bad as say bieng the leader of the KKK as Senator Byrd.

How did most Americans respond to that "chocolate" comment America1?

I mean, it could be racist but coming from Nagin it just sounded bizarre...

[YankAbroad]

I listen to Rush and I don't recall any isntances of him "race-baiting"

Of course you don't, because you like him and thus overlook his race-baiting (such as when he plays the theme song to "the Jeffersons" while discussing Carol Moseley Braun). But when someone you don't like race-baits, you do notice.

Trent lott wasn't pitting the race against each other as a tatic

So he was just race-baiting for the hell of it?

C'mon. Get real.

Mayor Nagin's "chocolate city"

I hate to break it to you, but Nagin was an up-and-comer in the Republican party for years and years before he switched party registrations in order to run for Mayor. He endorsed Bobby Jindal for governor and also donated to the Bush campaign in both 2000 and 2004 -- endorsing Dubya both times. I doubt his comments were suddenly developed as a result of his Demopublican registration.

[America1]

How did most Americans respond to that "chocolate" comment America1?

I mean, it could be racist but coming from Nagin it just sounded bizarre...

They thought it was a retarded thing to say with underpinning racist connotations. If a white politician said "we are going to make San Diego white again". He/She would have been chased out of office. See, what I mean on the Dem racial double standard.

[tml12]

How did most Americans respond to that "chocolate" comment America1?

I mean, it could be racist but coming from Nagin it just sounded bizarre...

They thought it was a retarded thing to say with underpinning racist connotations. If a white politician said "we are going to make San Diego white again". He/She would have been chased out of office. See, what I mean on the Dem racial double standard.

I can't disagree with you there...

[YankAbroad]

Of course, Nagin has been a Republican for virtually all of his political career, right up to the party switch he made in order to become New Orleans mayor.

Which demonstrates less that it's a "party" thing and more that it's a "political" thing pushed by both sides.

Neither party avoids racism, sexism, homophobia or xenophobia if it believes it will help it win votes.

And more to the point of the thread topic, Nagin could hardly be considered a "liberal."

[tml12]

Of course, Nagin has been a Republican for virtually all of his political career, right up to the party switch he made in order to become New Orleans mayor.

Which demonstrates less that it's a "party" thing and more that it's a "political" thing pushed by both sides.

Neither party avoids racism, sexism, homophobia or xenophobia if it believes it will help it win votes.

And more to the point of the thread topic, Nagin could hardly be considered a "liberal."

Would you agree that the only reason we're talking about him is because of what happened?

I mean, how many Americans knew about this guy before last summer?

[Liam]

Give an example of republicans race baiting.

I will give two:

1. Nixon's southern strategy capitalizing on the Voting Rights Act passed by LBJ

2. Reagan kicked off his 1980 presidential run in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town highly symbolic to racist southern whites due to its connection to the 1964 deaths of three civil rights workers at the hands of the KKK. Reagan's speech launching his campaign centered on his support for "state's rights", code word to southern bigots in that was the same position held by slave owners prior to the Civil War. Later in his campaign, Reagan spoke before an Atlanta audience claiming Jefferson Davis, president of the confederacy, as one of his all time heros.

[YankAbroad]

Would you agree that the only reason we're talking about him is because of what happened?

Nagin? Sure, I agree with that.

Later in his campaign, Reagan spoke before an Atlanta audience claiming Jefferson Davis, president of the confederacy, as one of his all time heros.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain how that isn't race baiting because Davis wasn't racist, he was just fighting a "strong central government."

Regardless, it's patently dishonest to claim that only one "side" of the old parties is happy to leverage race.

I'm sure in 10 to 20 years, Republicans and Democrats will be arguing over who is more homophobic too. . . right now, the GOPers have taken that award clearly. That said, the Dems have some impressive nominees of their own in that category.

[America1]

I will give two:

1. Nixon's southern strategy capitalizing on the Voting Rights Act passed by LBJ

2. Reagan kicked off his 1980 presidential run in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town highly symbolic to racist southern whites due to its connection to the 1964 deaths of three civil rights workers at the hands of the KKK. Reagan's speech launching his campaign centered on his support for "state's rights", code word to southern bigots in that was the same position held by slave owners prior to the Civil War. Later in his campaign, Reagan spoke before an Atlanta audience claiming Jefferson Davis, president of the confederacy, as one of his all time heros.

Your examples are over 25 years old. Can you come up with anything relavant today. I gave examples for the Dems in the past week.

[YankAbroad]

I already mentioned Trent Lott and Rush Limbaugh, but you keep moving the goal posts.

First you demand "liberals," now you are simply talking about Democrats (who may or may not be liberals).

If I change my party registration from Libertarian to Republican, utter a racist tirade, and then switch back to Libertarian registration, does that "prove" that "conservatives are racist?"

[Chris]

If the Republicans don't engage in race baiting, why is it that they can never talk about Condi Rice, Janice Rogers Brown, Alberto Gonzales or any other minority conservative without mentioning their race? I've seen countless examples of Republican and conservative commentators saying Democrats have to vote for these people or else they're racist, despite the fact thay they hold views that are completely at odds with Democratic principles.

And what makes it even more annoying is that it's generally presented with a "gotcha" tone, as if the Republicans have the Democrats over a barrel whenever they nominate a minority judge. I have no problem opposing Janice Rogers Brown, no matter what color she is.

[YankAbroad]

I have a hard time stomaching any of the judges that any of the parties have nominated the last 20 years or so.

The closest I came to liking a judge was with Rogers, and he's just tolerable, not exciting. JRB, Scalia, Thomas, Bork and some of the other nominees from the GOP are just God-awful. Really dreadful.

[moderateamericain]

Racism doesnt follow party lines, however it my personal opinion if a conservative is racist hes far less subtle about it then a liberal. A conservative believes "fix your own problems for yourself." Which is why we get the racist label most of the times because it appears we do not care about minorties because we dont bend over backwords for em. Liberals believe "you cant take care of yourself as well as i can take care of you." Which to me is more insidious; the reason i believe this is because a man in general will not thrive living off the hard work of others, *MOST* men would feel ashamed for living that way, thus liberal programs like welfare or affirmative action give minorities a belief that they got there because someone helped them get there. Not because the EARNED it. Things earned are always more meaningful then things given. I am in no way saying that minorties cannot earn there way some do and some are very sucsessful people. However in order to bring the standard up for your average minorty we have to stop treating them like 2nd class citizens and offering tons of extra add simply because of the color of their skin.

[YankAbroad]

I agree with most of what you've said, moderate, except this bit:

A conservative believes "fix your own problems for yourself."

Conservatives are quick to blame their problems on others as well. Just look at their rhetoric on the media, immigration, gays, etc. if you want evidence of this.

in order to bring the standard up for your average minorty we have to stop treating them like 2nd class citizens and offering tons of extra add simply because of the color of their skin.

Or the bits between their legs, etc.

I completely agree.

[moderateamericain]

I agree with some of what you've said, moderate, except this bit:

A conservative believes "fix your own problems for yourself."

Conservatives are quick to blame their problems on others as well. Just look at their rhetoric on the media, immigration, gays, etc. if you want evidence of this.

A true conservative wouldnt blame it on others, thats just pure irresponsability. IF i a lose an account like duke power do you think my boss gives a fuck if its something i did or not? Hell no. Wanna meet some true conservatives talk to B2B Sales people. Anyone who claims to be conserative and blames other people for fuck ups isnt a conservative. Even if its not a mistake you made, a true conservative would try and fix the issue rather than make excuses.

[YankAbroad]

Well, looking at the US conservative party these days, all I see is blame, blame, blame.

My third marriage broke up not because I was an insensitive turd who starved my family of attention, but because two little old ladies in Massachusetts got married to each other.

My kids are horrible little delinquent monsters not because I didn't raise them, but because television has beamed horrible thoughts into their heads.

I cannot get a job not because I'm too lazy to get the proper qualifications or am demanding too much money for the value of my services, it's because of immigration.

In government it's taken a big turn towards blame as well. Is there any calamity which this government has not been quick to blame on the prior administration, the minority party, or some other branch of government?

If Truman's sign said "the buck stops here," the present administration's sign says "what's a buck?"

I agree that the values you talk about are conservative ones from a traditional perspective, but conservatives have abandoned those values for a brave new world of blame and power.

[America1]

I have a hard time stomaching any of the judges that any of the parties have nominated the last 20 years or so.

The closest I came to liking a judge was with Rogers, and he's just tolerable, not exciting. JRB, Scalia, Thomas, Bork and some of the other nominees from the GOP are just God-awful. Really dreadful.

Interesting you didn't mention Ruth Bater Ginsburg.

[America1]

Well, looking at the US conservative party these days, all I see is blame, blame, blame.

My third marriage broke up not because I was an insensitive turd who starved my family of attention, but because two little old ladies in Massachusetts got married to each other.

My kids are horrible little delinquent monsters not because I didn't raise them, but because television has beamed horrible thoughts into their heads.

I cannot get a job not because I'm too lazy to get the proper qualifications or am demanding too much money for the value of my services, it's because of immigration.

In government it's taken a big turn towards blame as well. Is there any calamity which this government has not been quick to blame on the prior administration, the minority party, or some other branch of government?

If Truman's sign said "the buck stops here," the present administration's sign says "what's a buck?"

I agree that the values you talk about are conservative ones from a traditional perspective, but conservatives have abandoned those values for a brave new world of blame and power.

If you only see blame from the Repubs what do you see from the Dems? What have they put forth in the last 6 yrs?

[Black Dog]

If you only see blame from the Repubs what do you see from the Dems? What have they put forth in the last 6 yrs?

Ah yes. It's the opposition who's responsible for the failures of the majority party. Thanks for proving YankAbroad's point.

[moderateamericain]

Actually in my experience in business, 90 percent of my excuse makers are self proclaimed liberals/democrats/left leaning/etc. I find that most of these types can find reasons to justify any short comings in there business practices. Not that I overly care, there money spends the same. On the flip side, I know a Factory manager whos a classic democrat but is an absolute ass whipper in business. The guy is just a slave driver. Classic no bullshit individual. My point is the blame game or excuse game (really the same thing) is not limited to Conservative/republicans.

[YankAbroad]

Interesting you didn't mention Ruth Bater Ginsburg.

Ginsburg isn't awful, just not really worth celebrating or detracting.

[YankAbroad]

If you only see blame from the Repubs what do you see from the Dems? What have they put forth in the last 6 yrs?

Nothing either.

Of course, both Democrats and Republicans work hard to ensure that people with newer, better ideas cannot get access to the ballot, the electoral process, or the debates. Had our Libertarian presidential candidate been allowed into the highly scripted, phoney "debates" of the last presidential election, he'd have wiped the floor with both Dubya and Kerry. And in 2000, Harry Browne would have reduced Bush and Gore both to tears. Both would have won millions of votes and helped elect L's to the House. . . except that the Republicrats and Demopublicans ensure that nobody outside of their mutually ensured duopoly gets any time at all.

The gerrymandering and ballot laws means that even in places where registered Libertarians outnumber registered Democrats, the Libs have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ballot access which the Democrats get automatically.

And no mainstream Republican leader would dare debate a Libertarian leader head-on, because the GOPer would have most of his "limited government" con-man's rhetoric blown to bits in the first ten seconds.

[YankAbroad]

My point is the blame game or excuse game (really the same thing) is not limited to Conservative/republicans.

Oh, no doubt. But I'm talking about people in government, not people who walk the streets and occasionally vote.

[America1]

Interesting you didn't mention Ruth Bater Ginsburg.

Ginsburg isn't awful, just not really worth celebrating or detracting.

funny how only the conservatives are awful.

[YankAbroad]

Funny how you think that everyone who disagrees with your Tweedledum party line must be from the Tweedledee party.