He actually said this!

[mar]

CTV.ca News Staff

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper talked national unity, but he delivered a speech in Huntsville, Ont. entirely in English.

"Every vote for the Liberal party - in Quebec or particularly outside of Quebec - quite frankly drives votes to the Bloc Quebecois," Harper told a news conference in Huntsville on Saturday.

"Every vote for the Conservative party is pulling people from the Bloc Quebecois, and pulling people towards a new government that can unite the country and break down the polarization of the debate in Quebec."

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WOW! Who wrote that????

Now you may think the math doesn't make sense. I mean, after all, if a person votes Liberal instead of Bloq in Quebec doesn't that take away a vote from the Bloq? If I put my loonie into the machine and choose Pepsi doesn't that take away my business from Coke?

But listen to this: it is 100% true.

If you go to www.drive-votes-to-the-block.com you will see the registration system set up by the Bloc and made mandatory by the Government of Quebec for all residents.

The system is fiendishly simple:

Quebec residents are required under penalty of imprisonment to report anyone suspected of intending to vote Liberal. For each name reported, two persons from the Bloq database of "undecideds" will be forced to vote Bloq.

Mr. Duceppe said he would like to extend the plan to cover Liberal voters in other provinces but since 50% of Quebec is already voting Bloq, the Quebec popuation does not have enough people for 2 Quebecois to vote Bloq for each Liberal vote outside the province. However, the Quebec government is considering alowing a retroactive registration of children under 18 and those deceased within the past 10 years to make up the numbers.

Time for some new speechwriters (Gee! I hope he didn't come up with that himself

[August1991]

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper talked national unity, but he delivered a speech in Huntsville, Ont. entirely in English.

"Every vote for the Liberal party - in Quebec or particularly outside of Quebec - quite frankly drives votes to the Bloc Quebecois," Harper told a news conference in Huntsville on Saturday.

"Every vote for the Conservative party is pulling people from the Bloc Quebecois, and pulling people towards a new government that can unite the country and break down the polarization of the debate in Quebec."

First, Harper made the statement in Ontario where his meaning should be clear. He wants to encourage the view that the Conservatives are now the "national" party.

Second, the Conservatives in Quebec are somewhat like the NDP in the rest of Canada. Both parties are usually in third place and they tend to get squeezed between the competition. (It seems to me you support the NDP, Mar, so you should appreciate this argument.)

Your example of Pepsi/Coke is inappropriate because there is no third cola drink.

[geoffrey]

Your example of Pepsi/Coke is inappropriate because there is no third cola drink.

I'm sure the President's Choice Cola people are very upset with you right now August.

[Hydraboss]

mar, you think that's something? Check this out (and I swear it's all true!)

"After statements made at the second english leaders debate, one NDP supporter confirmed the report that the party has come up with a new method of ensuring accountable government. The statements in question were made by NDP party leader Jack Layton:

"...the NDP puts working families first..." This was soon followed by "...we will put seniors first..." and "...youth are our first priority...".

When questioned about the seemingly contradictory statements, this same NDP supporter was quoted as saying, "The NDP does not mislead Canadians. We have now come up with a method of marrying youth with seniors, and forcing them both to work. In this way, we can take care of all three groups with a single infusion of taxpayers dollars. This will ensure that an NDP government will make good on election promises, because we need to send a message...we need more NDP MP's in Ottawa!"

[seabee]

Why the bogus website?

www.drive-votes-to-the-block.com

[mar]

mar, you think that's something? Check this out (and I swear it's all true!)

"After statements made at the second english leaders debate, one NDP supporter confirmed the report that the party has come up with a new method of ensuring accountable government. The statements in question were made by NDP party leader Jack Layton:

"...the NDP puts working families first..." This was soon followed by "...we will put seniors first..." and "...youth are our first priority...".

When questioned about the seemingly contradictory statements, this same NDP supporter was quoted as saying, "The NDP does not mislead Canadians. We have now come up with a method of marrying youth with seniors, and forcing them both to work. In this way, we can take care of all three groups with a single infusion of taxpayers dollars. This will ensure that an NDP government will make good on election promises, because we need to send a message...we need more NDP MP's in Ottawa!"

LOL

I like that!

And hey! They could all work at McDonalds, part of McDonalds "cradle to the grave at minimum wage" employment program!

p.s. to seabee

"Why the bogus website?"

because I didn't feel like registering the domain name, buying hosting and creating fake content all for a rather mild joke.

[BubberMiley]

I think Dr. Pepper counts as a cola. And R.C. is a sort of fringe, Green Party sort of cola.

[stignasty]

ConservaTiVe.ca News Staff

[kimmy]

CTV.ca News Staff

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper talked national unity, but he delivered a speech in Huntsville, Ont. entirely in English.

"Every vote for the Liberal party - in Quebec or particularly outside of Quebec - quite frankly drives votes to the Bloc Quebecois," Harper told a news conference in Huntsville on Saturday.

"Every vote for the Conservative party is pulling people from the Bloc Quebecois, and pulling people towards a new government that can unite the country and break down the polarization of the debate in Quebec."

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WOW! Who wrote that????

Now you may think the math doesn't make sense. I mean, after all, if a person votes Liberal instead of Bloq in Quebec doesn't that take away a vote from the Bloq? If I put my loonie into the machine and choose Pepsi doesn't that take away my business from Coke?

Let's look at both of these:

"Every vote for the Liberal party - in Quebec or particularly outside of Quebec - quite frankly drives votes to the Bloc Quebecois," Harper told a news conference in Huntsville on Saturday.

I have believed for a while that a good chunk of the BQ support in Quebec is actually made up of people who don't want sovereignty but just hate the Liberals. For a similar effect, consider the "strategic voting" issue in the Greater Toronto Area ridings. A lot of the voters are probably NDP supporters who do not want to see Stephen Harper become Prime Minister. All things being equal, they would prefer to send a Dipper to Ottawa, but as Conservatives show increasing strength in polls, many NDP supporters will probably vote Liberal instead, because they believe that electing a Liberal MP will help prevent Stephen Harper from becoming Prime Minister.

In Quebec, same idea but different parties.

And here...

"Every vote for the Conservative party is pulling people from the Bloc Quebecois, and pulling people towards a new government that can unite the country and break down the polarization of the debate in Quebec."

...is something I think makes a lot of sense: the lack of options in Quebec has been disasterous for the federalist cause. In Quebec for several elections, the choice has been painful: you can go Separatist, or you can go Liberal. Harper is pleading for Quebec voters to view the Conservative party as an alternative. It might not happen this election, but if Harper wins this election then I believe that the following election will see a dramaticly reduced BQ vote, as people who vote BQ out of disgust for the federal Liberals will finally accept the Conservatives as a credible option in Quebec. I believe that the Conservatives will attract much stronger candidates next time, as more prominent and influential Quebecers will believe the Conservatives have a chance of winning Quebec ridings and of forming a national government. Even now, any Quebec Conservative who can win a seat will have an excellent chance of holding a Cabinet post. That would be an intriguing possibility for notable Quebecers who are considering entering politics but are uninspired by either the Liberals or BQ.

I believe that eliminating this "either/or" problem in Quebec-- you can either elect a separatist, or a Liberal-- is of such key importance to our country's future. I believe that a Conservative win here, even if there's not a single Quebec Conservative elected, will put us on a path to reducing the regionalism that has become such a powerful and divisive force in Canadian politics, not just in Quebec but in other parts of Canada as well.

-k

[Biblio Bibuli]

"Every vote for the Liberal party - in Quebec or particularly outside of Quebec - quite frankly drives votes to the Bloc Quebecois," Harper told a news conference in Huntsville on Saturday.

And Stephen is right!

How do I know that he is right?

Because Frum said the same thing, and David Frum is ALWAYS right.

Frum said:

"The surest way to empower the Bloc -- and to strengthen Quebec separatism -- is to return the people responsible for Adscam back to power.

The only thing uglier than the Adscam scandal has been the excuse the Liberals have used to justify it. "Sorry for breaking the law, but it was an emergency. We had to take that money and pass it around to our friends as part of our strategy to prevent another referendum after 1995."

In other words, Adscam was not just about graft and theft. It was about an attempt to pervert Quebec's political process. And many Quebecers will be watching the election results on January 23 to see: Does English-speaking Canada share their outrage? Or are they alone?

A Liberal defeat would be a unifying moment for Canada, a moment that brings together Canadians from every region and every province to uphold norms of integrity and decency in Canadian politics.

Another Liberal victory, however, will put Canada back on the path to a third Quebec referendum and other grave threats to national unity.

The blunt fact is that Quebec elects separatists as a protest against Liberal over-centralization. The sequence of events tells the story.

1974: Liberal majority.

1976: PQ elected in Quebec.

1984: Conservative majority.

1985: PQ defeated.

1993: Liberal majority.

1994: PQ returned to power.

The next Quebec election will probably occur in about a year's time.

Nothing -- nothing -- would strengthen the separatist cause more than the re-election of the Martin government. If Martin still holds power when Quebecers next vote provincially, the separatists will be free to run against Liberal corruption, Liberal perversion of democracy, and the Liberal refusal to answer such basic questions as: "Who received the improper Adscam funds?"

But if the Liberals have been defeated by English-speaking and French-speaking voters acting together, the separatists will face a much tougher problem. They will face in Ottawa a new, dynamic and honest government, fully committed to investigating and punishing wrongdoing. Electing a Conservative government would deprive Quebec separatists of their best issue. Electing a Liberal government would wrap the issue up for them and tie a bow on it."

Look here if you don't believe me:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...73-565870dc65b9

[seabee]

Mr. Frum makes very good points.

However, he does not look at the alternative.

Should the CPC form the next federal Government, with little if any deputation from Québec, then it will not only be "separatists" vs federalists, but English- vs. French-Canada. And the two solitudes will be further apart than ever.

In Québec, the church and religion are completely out of the political field, whereas the CPC are viewed as Bible-thumper. Gay marriage and abortion are not even issues in Québec, and reopening these issues will be seen as a serious erosion of rights.

Québécois are pacifist; they certainly would disagree with reinforcing the military, never mind taking side with Bush. "Militaries in the cities" has been seen as a permanent War Measures Act.

The CPC wants to be tough on crime; in Québec, rehabillitation is the thing.

The CPC is seen as "gun-slingers".

In Québec, Jean Charest has publicly admited to having smoked pot. The media barely mentionned it; the majority believes it should not only be decriminalized, but legalized, a far cry from the CPC.

The CPC would not be in a position to call for "Canadian unity", considering such irreconciliable differences.

One party or the other, the independantists don't lose.

[mar]

At the risk of appearing closed minded, I am not real interested in the opinions of the child of a former Canadian media elite who now whores for the U.S. Republican party.

Look up "hidden agenda" in the dictionary and you find a picture of david frum.

I have an update to this however.

yesterday Stephen Harper announced with great pomp that their proposed child car benefit would go to all Canadian parents even - gasp - gay parents.

DUH. ANY person who fits the definition of a parent - principally meaning they are entitled to claim a or more dependent children on their income tax return would automatically receve any child care benefit.

This is the kind of self serving thing politicians do - trying to make the obvious sound like some sort of gesture on their part - and is neither surprising or unusual.

However, CTV Newsnet reported this as: "Stephen harper is moving more towards the centre" in reporting this "announcement." The only way this could be a move to the centre is if CTV thought his previous policy would have been to break federal law and go against Charter rights to deny a particular minority a universal benefit.

And this was not presented as editorial comment, but news.

This just in:

In a sweeping move to move to the centre, Stephen Harper announced a bold ploicy for gays. "If elected," Mr. Harper said, "we will pay ALL gay and lesbian Canadians OAS benefits AND CPP benefits if they are over 65 and meet the normal qualification requirements. In addition, gays will be entitled to receive this is in addition to the 1% drop in GST we have alreaduy promised the gay and lesbian community."

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ConservaTiVe.ca News Staff

[Canuck E Stan]

Tory growth will keep Bloc down, says Lapierre

Growing support for the Conservatives in the province of Quebec is actually "good news," says Transport Minister Jean Lapierre.

Speaking on CTV's Question Period Sunday, Lapierre -- Martin's Quebec lieutenant -- said that anything that will prevent the Bloc from gaining enough support to bring in another referendum on sovereignty is good.

"This was the first place where the Bloc wanted to have 50 per cent plus one, and wanted every federalist to disappear from the scene," he said.

"At least, that is not happening. And this is the first good news. And the rest, we'll fight it out."

Lapierre also said pollsters are telling the Liberals that there has been a transfer of support from the Bloc to the Tory party.

Lapierre seems to agree with Harper on this.

[mar]

Tory growth will keep Bloc down, says Lapierre

Speaking on CTV's Question Period Sunday, Lapierre -- Martin's Quebec lieutenant -- said that anything that will prevent the Bloc from gaining enough support to bring in another referendum on sovereignty is good.

Lapierre seems to agree with Harper on this.

NO.

What he said is ANY votes in Quebec for a party other than the Bloc are good in that they draw votes away from the separatist cause, which seems pretty obvious.

Stephen Harper claimed votes for the Liberals would actually INCREASE votes for the Bloc.

This would require Quebecois who did not intend to vote Bloc either knowing or gambling on how many people were going to vote Liberal and then voting in greater numbers to counteract this, a rather tortured scenario at best.

[Biblio Bibuli]

Look up "hidden agenda" in the dictionary and you find a picture of david frum.

You know, I'm getting little annoyed here.

Yesterday it was Geoffrey telling me that Michael Ignatieff is a hypocrite, today you're telling me that David Frum has a hidden agenda .......... both of these accusations without providing any proof or explanation.

So, what is David Frum's hidden agenda?

[mar]

Look up "hidden agenda" in the dictionary and you find a picture of david frum.

You know, I'm getting little annoyed here.

Yesterday it was Geoffrey telling me that Michael Ignatieff is a hypocrite, today you're telling me that David Frum has a hidden agenda .......... both of these accusations without providing any proof or explanation.

So, what is David Frum's hidden agenda?

Gee! I dunno. He left his home and native land to work for a Neo Conservative party in the United States, one that has repeatedly criticised the sitting government of Canada.

c'mon. You can do better than this! At least pick someone who isn't drawing a paycheck from a foreign political party to try and claim neutrality.

I would put together some Frum quotes but it might make me ill to read them and I don't have the time to clean the vomit off my keyboard.

[stignasty]

So, what is David Frum's hidden agenda?

Not much mystery in David Frum's ideological stance. Here's a bit about him if you've been living in a cave.

I would say that it's not Frum that has the hidden agenda, it's the Conservative party who associate with Frum but claim to be moderates. If it walks like a neo-con and hangs out with a neo-con like Frum, it must be a neo-con.

[Guest eureka]

I think Frum's hidden agenda may be to make an axis bend four ways instead of the three he found for Bush.

One sleeper in this for a next election if there is still a Canada to have one, is that Quebec is more in tune with the NDP than the others. If the fear and the victimhood lessen, there may be some surprises there.

[geoffrey]

I think Frum's hidden agenda may be to make an axis bend four ways instead of the three he found for Bush.

One sleeper in this for a next election if there is still a Canada to have one, is that Quebec is more in tune with the NDP than the others. If the fear and the victimhood lessen, there may be some surprises there.

Get out the guns and canned goods! The end of Canada is coming! I know I'm not going to be suprised when the Federal buildings start flying American flags with another star on them on January 24th!!! I better shoot myself in the foot tonight too, don't want to be drafted by the American Warmacht!

The polls disagree with your Quebec=NDP statement, however leftist the Quebecois actually are.

And about the axis:

ax·is ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kss)

n. pl. ax·es (ksz)

9. One of three or four imaginary lines used to define the faces of a crystal and the position of its atoms.

So yes, it can bend four ways. Don't you know Bush is highly intelligent in the areas of the crystals and atomic science!!!

[mar]

I think Frum's hidden agenda may be to make an axis bend four ways instead of the three he found for Bush.

One sleeper in this for a next election if there is still a Canada to have one, is that Quebec is more in tune with the NDP than the others. If the fear and the victimhood lessen, there may be some surprises there.

Get out the guns and canned goods! The end of Canada is coming! I know I'm not going to be suprised when the Federal buildings start flying American flags with another star on them on January 24th!!! I better shoot myself in the foot tonight too, don't want to be drafted by the American Warmacht!

The polls disagree with your Quebec=NDP statement, however leftist the Quebecois actually are.

And about the axis:

ax·is ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kss)

n. pl. ax·es (ksz)

9. One of three or four imaginary lines used to define the faces of a crystal and the position of its atoms.

So yes, it can bend four ways. Don't you know Bush is highly intelligent in the areas of the crystals and atomic science!!!

Since you opened up this area, the elephant in the room that we have all ignored for a very long time is that we are the largest supplier of petroleum to the U.S. and history has shown they will stop at very little to secure oil.

Now, as long as we go along with our current system of "take our oil, please" we likely have no problem but only a fool would underestimate just how crucial a complaisant Canadian government who will do their bidding is to the U.S.

[Biblio Bibuli]

So, what is David Frum's hidden agenda?

Gee! I dunno. I would put together some Frum quotes but it might make me ill to read them ....

So I'm just getting a Carolyn Parrish "EEK" out of you? Well that's a really great rebuttal.

Get over it ... the Yanks are smarter, stronger & richer than us. Frum sees the strengths in America. We can only hope that Harper will try & emulate them so we can walk a little taller in their shadows.

[mar]

Get over it ... the Yanks are smarter, stronger & richer than us. Frum sees the strengths in America. We can only hope that Harper will try & emulate them so we can walk a little taller in their shadows.

So emigrate.

We'll never be able to create the paradise you crave ... we're just not smart enough for you

So what you're saying is you're willing to settle for Mussolini instead of the real thing? That about it?

This is precisely the kind of thing that makes many Canadians hate the Conservative Party when they stop to think about it. God I wish they'd buy you a TV spot and run it in saturation.

[Biblio Bibuli]

So emigrate.

I will! But not until you tell me what David Frum's hidden agenda is!

(Actually you may want to consider immigrating shortly ... the times they are a changing here ... you may want to look into Cuba or North Korea or some other socialist idyll.)

[mar]

So I'm just getting a Carolyn Parrish "EEK" out of you? Well that's a really great rebuttal.

Get over it ... the Yanks are smarter, stronger & richer than us. Frum sees the strengths in America. We can only hope that Harper will try & emulate them so we can walk a little taller in their shadows.

I was mistaken. You're the first one I've seen on here so it took me a sec to realize you're just another troll screaming "look at me!"

Why don't you go on back to the breast cancer survivors support forum and tell them they're all gonna die. You know that always makes you feel real powerful.

done with you.

[Biblio Bibuli]

So I'm just getting a Carolyn Parrish "EEK" out of you? Well that's a really great rebuttal.

Get over it ... the Yanks are smarter, stronger & richer than us. Frum sees the strengths in America. We can only hope that Harper will try & emulate them so we can walk a little taller in their shadows.

I was mistaken. You're the first one I've seen on here so it took me a sec to realize you're just another troll screaming "look at me!"

Why don't you go on back to the breast cancer survivors support forum and tell them they're all gonna die. You know that always makes you feel real powerful.

done with you.

When you don't have anything intelligent to say an idiotic insult always feels good, right? I guess that's the "Canadian way".

Off with you. I'm looking for discourse .