CO2 Tax -How to sell in retail politics

[August1991]

If I were Guilbeault, this is what I would argue around the cabinet table:

-We will eliminate the federal GST - when you buy.

-Instead, we will only tax when you send CO2 into the atmosphere.

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Mulroney did this with Free Trade, Ozone, Acid Rain and the MST. 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2024 by August1991

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, August1991 said:

If I were Guilbeault, this is what I would argue around the cabinet table:

-We will eliminate the federal GST - when you buy.

-Instead, we will only tax when you send CO2 into the atmosphere.

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Mulroney did this with Free Trade, Ozone, Acid Rain and the MST. 

 

 

So you want to tax everyone who breathes, a breath tax?

[August1991]

Just now, Legato said:

So you want to tax everyone who breathes, a breath tax?

Everyone who emits CO2, yes. Gates - with his jets- emits more than me.

Eliminate the GST. Instead, we tax CO2. The revenues from a CO2 tax will replace the GST.

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Mulroney (Thatcher, Reagan) had the courage to do such things. If Guilbeault were serious, he would do the same.

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Everyone who emits CO2, yes. Gates - with his jets- emits more than me.

Eliminate the GST. Instead, we tax CO2. The revenues from a CO2 tax will replace the GST.

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Mulroney (Thatcher, Reagan) had the courage to do such things. If Guilbeault were serious, he would do the same.

So those people who have physically strenuous jobs would be paying more tax than some rich sedentary company board member who would pay less?

[August1991]

9 minutes ago, Legato said:

So those people who have physically strenuous jobs would be paying more tax than some rich sedentary company board member who would pay less?

If they buy in Canada, such people pay the GST. (The GST does not apply to rent - or donuts.)

If they emit CO2, they pay.

Harper became PM in part because he promised to cut the GST from 7% to 5%.

Guilbeault could be PM if he promises to eliminate the GST - and replace it with a CO2 tax.

Edited January 18, 2024 by August1991

[August1991]

Amazing the federal Liberals have not done this.

Harper cut the GST from 7% to 5% - he won an election.

If I were Trudeau Jnr, I would eliminate the federal GST and explain that it is now replaced with the C02 tax, an Environment Tax.

We already have a federal 10 cent per litre excise tax on gasoline. Call it a CO2 tax (which it is). 

Edited February 14, 2024 by August1991

[Guest]

How would that work out for farmers?

 

[August1991]

13 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

How would that work out for farmers?

 

Good question. Dunno.

But for urban, suburban voters, the GST would disappear..

For leftists etc, they would now be paying the GST through a CO2 tax - helping the environment.

[August1991]

Guilbeault foolishly said that the federal government would not pay for roads.

(Unlike Coyne, I disagree. The federal government should pay for some roads.)

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It seems that reduction of CO2 emissions is the flavour of the month. To do this, the best way is a Pigouvian Tax.

And if I were a politician like Mulroney or Harper, I would eliminate another tax.

[eyeball]

On 1/17/2024 at 6:46 PM, August1991 said:

Eliminate the GST. Instead, we tax CO2.

This is completely backwards thinking especially if you're linking consumption to CO2. The GST by default accounts for the fact its the people who consume the most that are being held accountable for most CO2 emissions.

Of course if you've chosen you simply don't care about CO2 then no amount of arguing in this direction will matter.

That said, there's an even better argument to be made for increasing consumption taxes and offsetting that by eliminating income taxes.

[August1991]

On 2/21/2024 at 3:09 PM, eyeball said:

This is completely backwards thinking especially if you're linking consumption to CO2. The GST by default accounts for the fact its the people who consume the most that are being held accountable for most CO2 emissions.

 

Trudeau (Justin) and Guilbeault are clueless/political science people.

Mulroney fixed acid rain, GST, free trade.

Harper eliminated the penny.

Churchill defeated Hitler. Kennedy and Nixon defeated the Soviets. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Trudeau (Justin) and Guilbeault are clueless/political science people.

Mulroney fixed acid rain, GST, free trade.

Harper eliminated the penny.

Churchill defeated Hitler. Kennedy and Nixon defeated the Soviets. 

And the world is still on the brink.

It takes a real hero as they say.

[August1991]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And the world is still on the brink.

It takes a real hero as they say.

No.

It takes someone with courage - and wisdom.

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In the 1930s, the elite said that Churchill was wrong.

Worse, in Summer 1914, the elite said that it would be a short war. 

[August1991]

Many years ago, I remember a conversation with an Englishman, from Yorkshire. A workingman, brother in Manchester.

He said to me, "Churchill knew that Hitler was a fraud. The others were drawn in."