Rebound Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 As you can see, it is Hamas who is refusing a ceasefire in Gaza. TLDR: Hamas leaders turned down offer of lifetime sanction and safety by Qatar. They refuse to permit free elections in Palestine. “CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday. Two officials from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad groups later separately denied what the sources said about the talks. The Egyptian sources said that both Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators in Cairo, had rejected offering any concessions beyond the possible release of more hostages seized on Oct. 7 when militants broke into southern Israel, killing 1,200 people. Egypt proposed a "vision" rather than a concrete plan, also backed by Qatari mediators, that would involve a ceasefire in exchange for the release of more hostages, and lead to a broader agreement involving a permanent ceasefire along with an overhaul of leadership in Gaza, which is currently led by Hamas. Egypt proposed elections while offering assurances to Hamas that its members would not be chased or prosecuted, but the Islamist group rejected any concessions other than hostage releases, the sources said. More than 100 hostages are still believed to be held in Gaza. Islamic Jihad insists, the official said, that any prisoner swap must be based on the principle of "all for all", meaning the release of all hostages held in Gaza by Hamas and Islamic Jihad in return for freeing all Palestinians jailed in Israel. [Note: This means releasing convicted terrorists for innocent kidnapped children.] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/ Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 Of course. They will not accept anything that accepts israel and god knows they're not going to give up their power. They don't care if their people have to die for it. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Rebound Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Posted December 29, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Of course. They will not accept anything that accepts israel and god knows they're not going to give up their power. They don't care if their people have to die for it. It’s nice to agree with you. I wish only peace and happiness for the Palestinian people, but they’re being lead by Islamic Jihad (that’s the group’s name) and Hamas, who have decided to be at war with Israel and much of the rest of the Arab world. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted December 30, 2023 Report Posted December 30, 2023 23 hours ago, Rebound said: It’s nice to agree with you. Bound to happen once in a while Quote I wish only peace and happiness for the Palestinian people, but they’re being lead by Islamic Jihad (that’s the group’s name) and Hamas, who have decided to be at war with Israel and much of the rest of the Arab world. Yeah. I'm afraid unfortunately given all the factos peace just ins't on the menu for them anytime soon. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Rebound Posted December 30, 2023 Author Report Posted December 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Bound to happen once in a while Yeah. I'm afraid unfortunately given all the factos peace just ins't on the menu for them anytime soon. The purpose of war is to achieve peace. Peace is cheaper than war. It’s better for business, too. But I’m not naive, either. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
reason10 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 1:01 PM, Rebound said: As you can see, it is Hamas who is refusing a ceasefire in Gaza. TLDR: Hamas leaders turned down offer of lifetime sanction and safety by Qatar. They refuse to permit free elections in Palestine. “CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday. Two officials from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad groups later separately denied what the sources said about the talks. The Egyptian sources said that both Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators in Cairo, had rejected offering any concessions beyond the possible release of more hostages seized on Oct. 7 when militants broke into southern Israel, killing 1,200 people. Egypt proposed a "vision" rather than a concrete plan, also backed by Qatari mediators, that would involve a ceasefire in exchange for the release of more hostages, and lead to a broader agreement involving a permanent ceasefire along with an overhaul of leadership in Gaza, which is currently led by Hamas. Egypt proposed elections while offering assurances to Hamas that its members would not be chased or prosecuted, but the Islamist group rejected any concessions other than hostage releases, the sources said. More than 100 hostages are still believed to be held in Gaza. Islamic Jihad insists, the official said, that any prisoner swap must be based on the principle of "all for all", meaning the release of all hostages held in Gaza by Hamas and Islamic Jihad in return for freeing all Palestinians jailed in Israel. [Note: This means releasing convicted terrorists for innocent kidnapped children.] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/ Agreed. Quote
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