The Angry Drivel of The Brainwashed Terrorist Sympathizers

[WestCanMan]

In every topic there are outliers, like for example the kooks at either end of the abortion spectrum. They're the people whose views are so extreme that normal people can't have a nice dinner with them.

With regards to the Israeli/Palestinian issue, what would normally be considered 'the outlier category' is so jam-packed with evil a-holes that the term outlier doesn't really apply anymore. 

I'll just pop back to the top for a second, in statistics there's a bell curve for grading people's feeling on every issue. In the center of the spectrum there's a high spot where the majority of people are, close to the center of the issue. 

With abortion for example, the center of the curve would be at approximately "3 months, sure". A ton of people would pick that, and the middle value in the whole range of options (the mean) would probably be that exact thing. If you go one standard of deviation to each side you likely get people who say 1 month, and people who say 4 months. As the restrictions/freedoms to abort get a lot higher or lower, the number of people in that category drops off sharply. Usually 98% of the population is within 3 standards of deviation from the mean. Then you get your 'outliers'...

 In any normal conversation, the people who would consider targeting children for murder would be way out in the outlier category, like where you'd expect the people in that category to shy away from sunlight. With this Israeli - Palestinian issue that category is no outlier at all. The things that people are saying at those protests defy logic, they are deranged and unhinged.

When you watch those loonies shriek about how awesome it is that civilians were slaughtered, just remember that only a small percentage of the population is extreme enough to say that in public. For every person who's willing to do that in front of a TV camera, there are thousands more who will gleefully rub their hands together in their own living room, but would never admit to it, or at least not publicly. 

Did they just suddenly get that mad this week? Did they get that angry because Israelis accused some people of being terrorists and locked them up without a proper trial? Are they raised to be that way?

What gives? They know that Israel was just hit by a terror attack, and that fact justifies the Israelis taking so many harsh precautions to protect themselves from terror attacks... They were attacked by several Arab states on the day their nation was born. They're not paranoid, the Arab world really is out to get them.  

[August1991]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In every topic there are outliers, like for example the kooks at either end of the abortion spectrum. They're the people whose views are so extreme that normal people can't have a nice dinner with them.

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What gives? They know that Israel was just hit by a terror attack, and that fact justifies the Israelis taking so many harsh precautions to protect themselves from terror attacks... They were attacked by several Arab states on the day their nation was born. They're not paranoid, the Arab world really is out to get them.  

Some opinions are decided by a bell-curve.

And other opinions are yes/no - open to debate.

And still other opinions have no other side: Sorry, the Nazis were simply wrong. We've solved that problem.

[August1991]

The rich American Mel Brooks foolishly made fun of Hitler and the Nazis. Too many Russians (and others) died to stop this latest European psychopath.

This cataclysm started in 1914. We eventually defeated him and then in the late 1940s, we created a structure of peace.

True, we defeated the Soviets in 1991. IMHO, we need a new structure of peace.

I prefer peace. For most ordinary European people, for several generations, the world after 1648 and after 1815 was good 

Ordinary Europeans deserve at least a century of peace after 1990 - they got it after 1815. 

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

If you think only Europeans can be psychopaths, watch The Killing Fields.

I saw this movie shortly after living in Sri Lanka.

IMHO, Buddhists are possibly worse because while they usually avoid expressions of desire, they sometimes go rogue - like an elephant

Edited October 15, 2023 by August1991

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

Some opinions are decided by a bell-curve.

And other opinions are yes/no - open to debate.

And still other opinions have no other side: Sorry, the Nazis were simply wrong. We've solved that problem.

If you were God there would be no debate, but the fact remains that some people love Nazis, and it's not who you think. Hitler and his deeds are still fairly popular in the ME. 

The muslims across the ME, mainly influenced by Nazis, turned on their Jewish citizens in the early 1940s after a long period of peace and tolerance, forcing them to flee to other countries all over the world. 

Contrary to what muslim propagandists would have you believe, not all the people who immigrated to Palestine in the 1940s were from Europe. Hundreds of thousands of them fled from countries in the ME where they were facing persecution, and they went to Palestine, or tried to: muslim countries tried to prevent that, as did Palestinian police, so most of them ended up fleeing to countries in Europe instead. Many of the Jews who eventually came from Europe had fled the ME previously and had never managed to permanently re-settle anywhere. So, even though their most recent passports may have been from a European country, they were born and raised in the ME.

The fact that Nazis aided those countries in decimating their Jewish populations hasn't been forgotten, and they don't despise them for that, rather, they celebrate them.

Nazis aren't as unpopular as we'd like to think in Ukraine either: they never disbanded the Azovs - they welcomed them into their military. 

I understand as well as you do that Nazis are among the lowest forms of humans ever, but that's based the standards of our Judeo-Christian morality and not everyone shares those standards. To some people, discriminating against Jews is encoded in their most sacred religious scriptures. Mohammed himself, or on behalf of Allah if you will, gave Jews and Christians a 'protected' status, meaning that they weren't supposed to be forcibly converted, but he also had several openly discriminatory rules to prevent them from advancing too high within muslim societies, and they were supposed to always remain subordinate and pay a tax. 

Just in case you think I'm mincing words I'll say it directly: discrimination is encoded right in the Koran and Hadiths. Things that are blatantly racist (religiously bigoted) by our standards are a core belief in islam.

Like I mentioned earlier, in the last couple centuries before Hitler the systemic discrimination against minority religions in the ME was fading away, but they're back with a vengeance, and westerners didn't make up the words Dhimma and jizzya.  

Of course everything I said above is subject to people's own chosen propaganda and beliefs, and will therefor be rejected as heresy without consideration, but that's par for the course. I'd be shocked if that didn't happen once. 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

If you think only Europeans can be psychopaths, watch The Killing Fields.

I saw this movie shortly after living in Sri Lanka.

IMHO, Buddhists are possibly worse because while they usually avoid expressions of desire, they sometimes go rogue - like an elephant

Buddhism, like any other organism or society that still exists, is not completely devoid of self-defence mechanisms. They believe that striking isn't something to be done at all if it can be avoided, but when necessary it should be swift and final.

Their religion didn't compete well with other religions that favoured open discrimination against other people 24/7. 

For example, in a places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, where only subordination is tolerated, it's impossible for any other religions to gain traction and take over. Women who don't comply to their religious codes are the subject of harassment and physical assaults. Men can be killed for blasphemy, or questioning religious clerics or scriptures. The oppression is overwhelming on every square inch of their countries 24/7. 

When your main religion is Buddhism or Christianity, and you allow other religions to flourish unchecked, it gets harder and harder to put the toothpaste back in the tube. That's messy, right? 

[August1991]

On 10/15/2023 at 2:09 PM, WestCanMan said:

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For example, in a places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, where only subordination is tolerated, it's impossible for any other religions to gain traction...

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a) Iran is not what you think.

b) Saudi Arabia? Saud? It is not either

c) Like Canada

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The problem is that US wants to make the world like themselves.

You know, like Obama.

 

[August1991]

In 1815, after the folly of the French revolution and Napoleon, the European world created a structure of peace.

In 1945 in Potsdam, after the folly of August 1914, the World created a new structure of peace.

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With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Americans are flying blind.

[August1991]

I am very pro American. Your Constitution is remarkable.

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But I do not want to live in a world decided by people like Bush Jnr, Obama - let alone Biden.

I prefer a multi-polar world.

Edited October 18, 2023 by August1991