How low will the Liberals stoop?

[Guest eureka]

I rather think, Argus, that the high profile Liberal was a volunteer; not that the high profile volunteer was a Liberal.

The latter carries much more significance than the former.

[Guest eureka]

If by how low we think of the policies of the parties and the benefits to society that they will engender, then I would think the Liberals would have to stoop very low indeed to get down to the level of the Conservatives.

I really do not believe that anyone other than a Conservative could stoop that low. Therefore, if stooping low in that sense is an indicator of electoral success, the Liberals will not have a chance. Neither will the NDP.

[Argus]

If by how low we think of the policies of the parties and the benefits to society that they will engender, then I would think the Liberals would have to stoop very low indeed to get down to the level of the Conservatives.

How so? The Liberals have shown for years they care nothing for anyone but themselves. They've had massive surpluses for years and done nothing to improve health care, child care, poverty levels, or anything else. You're fantasising if you think multi-millionaire insiders like Martin and Stronach give a damn about, or even understand the problems of ordinary people.

[kimmy]

Comparing Winston Churchill to an English Bulldog wasn't considered racist, calling Benedict XVI a German Shepherd isn't considered racist .... but compare a non-white individual to a dog and ... VOILA ... the race card comes up.

Of course. Welcome to 15 years ago (or probably longer; 15 years ago is how long ago it was that I found myself sitting in the principal's office having "that's different" explained to me.)

People are offended that Mike Klander implies Harper trots out Rahim Jaffer to show "hey, some of my best friends are ethnic", but make no mention of the same Klander column implying Rona Ambrose is some sort of ornament. Of course it's a double standard.

I'm sure Olivia Chow will survive this; meaner things have been said of Stronach based on nothing more than her hair colour.

-k

[shoop]

What the hell does any of this post mean? I find myself unable to stoop to the low level of writing incumbent in this drivel.

If by how low we think of the policies of the parties and the benefits to society that they will engender, then I would think the Liberals would have to stoop very low indeed to get down to the level of the Conservatives.

I really do not believe that anyone other than a Conservative could stoop that low. Therefore, if stooping low in that sense is an indicator of electoral success, the Liberals will not have a chance. Neither will the NDP.

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[Guest eureka]

Ot means exactly what it said, shoop. And, it was not tongue in cheek. Every policy announcement of the Conservatives so far is anti the people and for an upwards redistribution of wealth to the already well off.

The Liberals have not done a good job with social programmes as Argus noted in what was supposed to be a rebuttal. They did, however, reduce the National Debt by starving the programmes. Harper proposes to continue the starvation and to reduce government revenues so that the Debt remains.

His policies are different than the disatrous policies of Harris in Ontario and those favoured by Manning, only in the dressing.

They might fool those who always think God is someone who gives them back a few pennies.

[shoop]

Hmmm, cutting the GST ... anti- the people?

Helping parents provide for daycare the best way they see fit ... anti- the people?

Dealing with the epidemic of childhood obesity by encouraging kids to take part in sports ... anti- the people?

Strange all those policies seem pro-people to me.

And, it was not tongue in cheek. Every policy announcement of the Conservatives so far is anti the people and for an upwards redistribution of wealth to the already well off.

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[Guest eureka]

I have dealt with those, shoop. Try to prove me wrong instead of repaating statements made for the consumption of the unthinking and gullible.

[lovecanada]

I have dealt with those, shoop. Try to prove me wrong instead of repaating statements made for the consumption of the unthinking and gullible.

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I think you are the one trying to appeal to the "unwashed masses" but that's Liberal thinking, "unthinking and gullible". You Liberals seriously think voters are dumb! Your leader is a multimillionaire how can he connect with the average working person? A $250 dollar CHRISTMAS wreath, and ships sailing under flags from other countries to avoid Canadian taxes? We wish! I smell the stink of desperation.

[shoop]

Typical of the Liberal arrogance that is losing them the campaign.

They decided to just lay low, not release major policy pronouncements and allow Harper to "self-destruct" again. Oh wait, Harper is running a solid, professional campaign.

The executive VP of the Liberal party of Canada (Ontario) compares Olivia Chow to an animal, refers to Rahim Jaffer as an 'ethnic', degrades Rona Ambrose and calls Jack Layton an a**hole. Oh wait, they are all offensive and have actually hurt the Liberal party.

Ralph Goodale ignores parliamentary precedent and refuses to step aside while his department is under criminal investigation. He won't step aside because he hasn't personally been named as a target of the investigation by the RCMP. Oh wait, parliamentary precedent on issues like this deal with investigations of departments, nothing about the Minister himself being named.

I think you are the one trying to appeal to the "unwashed masses" but that's  Liberal thinking, "unthinking and gullible". You Liberals seriously think voters are dumb! Your leader is a multimillionaire how can he connect with the average working person? A $250 dollar CHRISTMAS wreath, and ships sailing under flags from other countries to avoid Canadian taxes? We wish! I smell the stink of desperation.

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[scribblet]

Fortunately Harper isn't trying to distribute my 'wealth' such a it is - I've had my pocket picked enough thank you very much - and - judging from some of the personal attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with a socialist, Harper must be doing something right !

It has been an interesting first half with the 'normally' competent Liberals committing all of the gaffs, and the CPC National Campaign being remarkably disciplined and playing so far, error-free politics. This should give CPC the advantage into the 2nd half. While the Liberal's natural campaign game plan is to demonize, pander and patronize, the Fibs are stuck denying, defending, and deflecting on subjects as varied as Boiled Dog's Heads, Beer and Popcorn and Chow-chows.

The Beer and Popcorn remark is the most illuminating remark ever into the LPC's inner mind and sheds the light of day on Their Hidden Agenda. The LPC truly believes that they are better at organizing your life than you are, that they would make wiser decisions about raising your kids than you could, and that you really shouldn't be entitled to the money you earn when they can think of so many more 'Good Things' to spend it on than you possibly could yourself.

They have considerably compounded their Corruption Quotient with Goodale's Income Trust Insider Trading Scandal (GIT-ITS), as in 'git it while u can'. Sort of like Steve Miller's Hit Song about the story of Jack and Diane -"Take the Money and Run" .

[shoop]

Good points scriblett.

I am shocked at the lack of competence in this Liberal campaign. I think Martin has fallen to prey to the problems of group-think and didn't take the time to evaluate what part his team played in the minority *win* in 2004.

Yet again, Warren Kinsella has a very astute take on the issue.

I, like Sheila (Copps), know the best thing that could happen to the Liberal Party of Canada is a loss - and, as soon as possible thereafter, the departure of Paul Martin and his coterie of well-paid thugs.

Some houses can be renovated, some houses you need to tear down and start over. This one is a tear-down.

It has been an interesting first half with the 'normally' competent Liberals committing all of the gaffs, and the CPC National Campaign being remarkably disciplined and playing so far, error-free politics. This should give CPC the advantage into the 2nd half.  While the Liberal's natural campaign game plan is to demonize, pander and patronize, the Fibs are stuck denying, defending, and deflecting on subjects as varied as Boiled Dog's Heads, Beer and Popcorn and Chow-chows.

The Beer and Popcorn remark is the most illuminating remark ever into the LPC's inner mind and sheds the light of day on Their Hidden Agenda.  The LPC truly believes that they are better at organizing your life than you are, that they would make wiser decisions about raising your kids than you could, and that you really shouldn't be entitled to the money you earn when they can think of so many more 'Good Things' to spend it on than you possibly could yourself.

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[mowich]

Well maybe they should. The right to vote comes with the challenge to be informed. Every source of information available should be used to inform our opinions and our vote.

“Many (if not most) voters do not use the Internet for information and for them, "blogs" (if they know the term at all) have a vaguely unsavory allure. Not reliable.”

Says who? You? Then have the balls to say so.

Blah, blah, blah, the liberals will go on the attack, what they are a pack of wolves? The media has been trying to “dig up dirt” on Stephen Harper for years and the best they can do is to tell us they don’t think he has a pretty face. Let the liberals howl for all the good that it will do them.

Will they tell us why they think it would be “too risky now” not on your life, they don’t know how to answer questions that get to the point.

Canada does not need “saving” thank you very much. A liberal government would be the very worst choice if a united Canada were your choice. Quebec would only be the first of the provinces to say enough is enough, I’m outta here.

[Slim MacSquinty]

Who posted the ridiculous statement that Harper's policies are anti-people, and then used a reference to Manning in support.

What orifice is your head in?

Manning was a populist, by definition this is "for the people", the Liberals have been, and still are, the party of big business, go and read Peter C Newman's Titans books they're mostly Liberals, he lays it all out.

You see their scam goes like this; sprinkle some money around to social programs and multi-cultural endorsements. Keep the stupid masses concentrating on things like "Canadian Values" and then give away the fort to your friends in business while everyone's looking the othr way.

They've been doing the same thing for years!

Get your head out the light will bother your eyes at first, but they'll adjust trust me!

[Guest eureka]

I posted it, Slim, and, if you think you are capable of arguing the point, try.

Start with some consideration of the "populist." You might find it a little more complicated than your simplistic definition.

[scribblet]

Who posted the ridiculous statement that Harper's policies are anti-people, and then used a reference to Manning in support.

What orifice is your head in?

Manning was a populist, by definition this is "for the people", the Liberals have been, and still are, the party of big business, go and read Peter C Newman's Titans books they're mostly Liberals, he lays it all out.

You see their scam goes like this; sprinkle some money around to social programs and multi-cultural endorsements. Keep the stupid masses concentrating on things like "Canadian Values" and then give away the fort to your friends in business while everyone's looking the othr way.

They've been doing the same thing for years! 

Get your head out the light will bother your eyes at first, but they'll adjust trust me!

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Only an NDPer or someone further left than that would suggest that Harper's policies are 'anti-people', as ridiculous as suggesting that conservatives are 'anti-Canadian.

Each policy announcement of Harper's is designed to help a different group of people, mostly middle to lower income. While I would rather see more broad based tax cuts, he is reaching out and helping more people. I think what the main problem as seen by a left winger, is that he isn't taking enough from the 'rich' (define rich) and giving to the poor, in other words, attempting to make us all equally poor.

[Awake Canadian]

"Every policy announcement of the Conservatives so far is anti the people and for an upwards redistribution of wealth to the already well off."

I understand you now.

I would argue that when two parents work full time and earn $125,000.00 a year, they are not "well off". They pay over half that value in tax and live a modest life. These are the folks who FILL the coffers with tax dollars and vastly underutilize any public services, compared to their contributions.

I think I can envision your ideas of pro-people, and my parents and grandparents left countries where that ideal meant poverty. They came here for the opportunity that initiative and hard work meant and increase in their standard of living. Today, they remark that this country is moving more towards where they came from, rather than the Canada they moved to.

Awake Canadian

[Kiraly]

Every policy announcement of the Conservatives so far is anti the people and for an upwards redistribution of wealth to the already well off.

This would be a close second for the DRotD.

[Slim MacSquinty]

I posted it, Slim, and, if you think you are capable of arguing the point, try.

Oh lemme see, GST cut helps everyone but the most vulnerable the most help, gee the jury's out on that one.

Veterans obudsman (with particular emphasis on Aboriginal vets) gee they're people so that could be good.

Governemnent accountablity, its the people's government right?

Money for childcare, people have children don't they golly another plus.

Support for the cancer action plan, I'm pretty sure this was for people not K9 cancer.

Better support for the military, is it the military dictators miliyary, no no its the Canadian Armed Forces, maybe that's for the people.

Tax deduction for trades, and childrens sports programs, both categories still people, theres a trend here I think.

Let see elected Senators, they represent the people who elect them not the party that appointed them, that might be too good.

Double the tax free deduction for seniors, they're people at least I'm sure my Mom is.

Tax break for transit users, OK I've met some transit users and I didn't like them, so I guess you got me.