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2 hours ago, reason10 said:

The ONLY issue in California is pi$s poor management. That state is NOT running out of water. It borders the fcking PACIFIC OCEAN, which is the LARGEST body of water on the planet. That state is merely running out of CHEAP WATER. One can build desal plants all along the coast and FLOOD that state with drinking water.

Romanticizing old growth forest is a LEFT WING idea. Old growth trees contribute VERY LITTLE photosynthetic  activity to the atmosphere, and old growth trees are most likely to catch fire. Conservatives believe in LOGGING and replanting new trees, which convert Chinese CO2 into oxygen. And only a total MOR0N blames the climate change myth for those fires. THERE IS NO CLIMATE CHANGE TODAY. And if the climate changes, it won't be due to human activity.

California hasn't had a competent governor or legislature since Governor Reagan.

This shows that you have never been to the state and know nothing about it other than what you read from biased articles.. Just come to Susanville, CA once. They average 6.5 inches of precipitation per year. Now, read that again... 6.5 inches of precipitation. Now, add in a population of 20K that uses that paltry amount of water. Can you fathom what happens next?

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2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

This shows that you have never been to the state and know nothing about it other than what you read from biased articles.. Just come to Susanville, CA once. They average 6.5 inches of precipitation per year. Now, read that again... 6.5 inches of precipitation. Now, add in a population of 20K that uses that paltry amount of water. Can you fathom what happens next?

I can "fathom" that you have some amazingly STUPID people moving to that town. If it only gets 6.5 inches of rain, it is a DESERT. Period. Hell, even the Calihari region of Africa has the Bushmen, who thrive in a region that has zero surface water.

To educate you on the way things are supposed to work, "public" utilities mean providing electric and water to the "PUBLIC," for a fee. That means the county has to find the water, either from the ground or through a pipeline. And the costs of that water under normal circumstances reflects the cost of transporting that water. It it means a pipeline running from a desal station in the Pacific Ocean, then the price will reflect that. The States are not BERMUDA, where 90 percent of a home's water supply is through a roof collector, since it rains every night there.

In a poorly run state like California, I can see the problems. Taxes there are the highest in the country and the standard of living is the lowest. So people in Susanville probably are paying a fortune for their water, as well as a fortune in state taxes.

There doesn't seem to be water problems in the state of Florida. And we have a very complicated eco system here. We have rainy seasons and we have droughts. We have issues with Lake Okeechobee water being contaminated with nutrients from nearby farms leeching into the water. And then when the rainy season is at peak, that water has to be released into the Indian River and the Caloosahatchie River, bringing smelly water into two urban areas.

We somehow manage to survive. Florida has NO state income tax and is currently running a budget SURPLUS. We have the highest standard of living in the US, as well as the best schools and the best state government.

You get what you vote for. California has a history of voting for retards. You're not getting Evian from a sewer.

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1 hour ago, reason10 said:

I can "fathom" that you have some amazingly STUPID people moving to that town. If it only gets 6.5 inches of rain, it is a DESERT. Period. Hell, even the Calihari region of Africa has the Bushmen, who thrive in a region that has zero surface water.

To educate you on the way things are supposed to work, "public" utilities mean providing electric and water to the "PUBLIC," for a fee. That means the county has to find the water, either from the ground or through a pipeline. And the costs of that water under normal circumstances reflects the cost of transporting that water. It it means a pipeline running from a desal station in the Pacific Ocean, then the price will reflect that. The States are not BERMUDA, where 90 percent of a home's water supply is through a roof collector, since it rains every night there.

In a poorly run state like California, I can see the problems. Taxes there are the highest in the country and the standard of living is the lowest. So people in Susanville probably are paying a fortune for their water, as well as a fortune in state taxes.

There doesn't seem to be water problems in the state of Florida. And we have a very complicated eco system here. We have rainy seasons and we have droughts. We have issues with Lake Okeechobee water being contaminated with nutrients from nearby farms leeching into the water. And then when the rainy season is at peak, that water has to be released into the Indian River and the Caloosahatchie River, bringing smelly water into two urban areas.

We somehow manage to survive. Florida has NO state income tax and is currently running a budget SURPLUS. We have the highest standard of living in the US, as well as the best schools and the best state government.

You get what you vote for. California has a history of voting for retards. You're not getting Evian from a sewer.

As always, you go off into left field. Susanville.. very conservative might I add, is in a desert. And you have thousands of acres of country surrounding it that only get their precipitation from snow and therefore from April to Sept.. its hot and dry. Guess what? It has always been this way. So now what happens when you suck the groundwater dry from such a place like this... ground dries out. This is not unique to CA.. This exact scenario has played out in conservative states such as WY, AZ, UT, and TX (western portion of it). The Kalahari do not use the water nearly as much as Americans do.. poor example. 

They have looked into desalinization plants and the costs are too high. Pumping something over mountains (of which there are none in Florida) is costly and prone to mechanical issues. The real issue is that the mostly dry area we now call SoCal, Inland Empire, Central Valley, and NE California were never meant to have large populations. Even the indigenous were smart enough to stay away. 

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5 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

As always, you go off into left field. Susanville.. very conservative might I add, is in a desert. And you have thousands of acres of country surrounding it that only get their precipitation from snow and therefore from April to Sept.. its hot and dry. Guess what? It has always been this way. So now what happens when you suck the groundwater dry from such a place like this... ground dries out. This is not unique to CA.. This exact scenario has played out in conservative states such as WY, AZ, UT, and TX (western portion of it). The Kalahari do not use the water nearly as much as Americans do.. poor example. 

They have looked into desalinization plants and the costs are too high. Pumping something over mountains (of which there are none in Florida) is costly and prone to mechanical issues. The real issue is that the mostly dry area we now call SoCal, Inland Empire, Central Valley, and NE California were never meant to have large populations. Even the indigenous were smart enough to stay away. 

Desal is expensive, but this state takes so much revenue in taxes as it is. If it weren't for the HUGE welfare state, and all those slave reparations, the state could afford to construct enough desal plants to create a LAKE the size of Nevada.

Bottom line, this idi0ts are trying to blame climate change for their own STUPID decisions with money.

And NO conservative would deliberately live in a frikken DESERT. Conservatives are much more intelligent than that.

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14 hours ago, reason10 said:

Desal is expensive, but this state takes so much revenue in taxes as it is. If it weren't for the HUGE welfare state, and all those slave reparations, the state could afford to construct enough desal plants to create a LAKE the size of Nevada.

Bottom line, this idi0ts are trying to blame climate change for their own STUPID decisions with money.

And NO conservative would deliberately live in a frikken DESERT. Conservatives are much more intelligent than that.

You show your lack of knowledge every time that you post. Their budget issues are not due to slave reparations... those have not even been paid out. Do you really want to know what ails their budget? Or do you want to live in a fantasy world?

Plenty of Conservatives live in the desert... AZ, NV, UT, NM, CO, WA, OR, and ID all have significant portions of their state that are desert and mostly populated by Conservatives. 

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On 6/16/2023 at 11:40 AM, impartialobserver said:

You show your lack of knowledge every time that you post. Their budget issues are not due to slave reparations... those have not even been paid out. Do you really want to know what ails their budget? Or do you want to live in a fantasy world?

Plenty of Conservatives live in the desert... AZ, NV, UT, NM, CO, WA, OR, and ID all have significant portions of their state that are desert and mostly populated by Conservatives. 

California has the largest budget deficits in the country,

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/496601-california-faces-largest-ever-budget-deficit/

along with the highest taxes.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/california-state-taxes-amongst-the-highest-in-the-nation-3193244

It also has the largest homeless community.

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/93c5a39960ca44ff9e8670eac6a42cef

 

You are going to have to produce some credible proof of the ideology of people who live in the desert. Just saying they're conservatives doesn't cut it. Produce a credible link showing large groups of people living in the DESERT.

A desert is this.

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Produce proof that there is a sizeable population living there and then  produce proof of their voting records.

Or admit you are just making this up.

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On 6/18/2023 at 10:09 AM, reason10 said:

California has the largest budget deficits in the country,

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/496601-california-faces-largest-ever-budget-deficit/

along with the highest taxes.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/california-state-taxes-amongst-the-highest-in-the-nation-3193244

It also has the largest homeless community.

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/93c5a39960ca44ff9e8670eac6a42cef

 

You are going to have to produce some credible proof of the ideology of people who live in the desert. Just saying they're conservatives doesn't cut it. Produce a credible link showing large groups of people living in the DESERT.

A desert is this.

1218713.jpg

 

Produce proof that there is a sizeable population living there and then  produce proof of their voting records.

Or admit you are just making this up.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/utah/

 

The only part of UT that is not classic desert is the small portion due NE of the great salt lake. And yet those counties are red.. Hmmm.... 

 

Next, my home state of Idaho which has a lot of desert in the southern half of it. Hmmm.. is it red or not? 

 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/idaho/

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