Mendicino proposes new definition, ban on “assault-style firearms” and fails to do anything about Bail Laws.

[CdnFox]

https://tnc.news/2023/05/01/ban-assault-style-firearms2/

.....  Canada’s pressing issues, like the opiate crisis, an explosion in gang violence, bail reform, and a marked decline in mental health if their concern was “genuine.”

“These are the determinants of violence with or without firearms. But they have prioritized gun bans above all else, the measure with the least potential to yield results.”

“As we’ve said all along, this is about polarization and votes. If the Liberals truly cared about public safety, they’d repeal their (2019) Bill C-75,” said spokesperson Tracey Wilson.

 

Thank god we're spending billions to target lawful gun owners and not wasting time addressing those innocent criminals.

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, Contrarian said:

More propaganda from the Conservative Party. 

Do they send the article in an e-mail or do they communicate via the telephone what to post?!

Seriously, now, listen, you are a very smart man, must eat at you that the Party is making you do this volunteering here and, when you came in, you thought it was that easy, with your IQ to just walk on everybody. 

Not that easy man, we agree on probably over 75% of the issues, told you, I WILL VOTE for THE CPC, but the smell of manipulation, the smell of a bully, the smell of a National Post fanatic pretending to be holier than what he is, just does not sit correctly with me. 

• and cool yourself, the Conservatives will win federally with flying colors, it seems they are a bit nervous though, that they had to bother such a royalty like youself to mingle with the commoners. 
   

STOP  GETTING MAD AT ME EVERY TIME YOU HAVE  A DRINK. IT's getting annoying.

This is a major news story, it's in every paper. It's a thing that will affect well over a million canadian's lives AND will cost taxpayers into the billions. And it's happening right now, i'm not dredging up some story from the past. This is about to be debated in the house of commons.

This is a perfectly legitimate article - this is something we SHOULD be discussing, this is NOT propaganda, this is current events. And it's current Canadian POLITICS -  THIS IS A POLITICS DISCUSSION BOARD.

It is not my fault that virtually everything the liberals do right now turns into a bloody mess.  If you don't want to discus current canadian politics, why the hell are you here?

[blackbird]

The Liberals are not listening to Canadians, not listening to Premiers, not listening to all the Chiefs of police.  They are a complete disaster for Canada and have to go.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I understand that you're passionate about Canadian politics, as you most likely have an interest.

Dude - this is literally a canadian political forum. This topic is posted in 'federal politics."   we're ALL supposed to be interested in Canadian federal politics, that's presumably why we're here.

14 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Instead of blaming everything on the Liberals, what exactly is the solution here? Are you interested in a solution? 

I"m interested in a discussion. The liberals aren't going to be interested in any 'solutions' we come up with.  The OBVIOUS solution is 'don't do this', we have much much bigger fish to fry.

Instead of spending billions of dollars and massive amounts of what limited time and energy we have dealing with guns and gun owners who will never be a problem, they should be addressing issues like the fact that half the killings this year are done by  people out on parole thanks to the law they passed a few years ago, and repealling or replacing that law.

This isn't some petty disagreement about should we ban dr seuss books - people are getting attacked and killed DAILY on our public transit systems as you well know, we've got record numbers of cops killed by people out on parole because of this law, and one of our largest mass slayings (done with a knife) from a person who was also out on parole... but we're focusing on guns.

That is the topic at hand and seeing as people are actually getting killed it kind of feels like it's worth discussing. I feel they shouldn't focus on guns, that they should be passing legislation to deal with the repeat criminals on parole.  How do YOU feel about it?

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Listen, you are correct the whisky was speaking, so let us debate like men. 

1. While addressing gun violence is important, we should also be addressing issues such as repeat criminals on
2. parole who are responsible for a significant number of violent crimes.

here's the thing  there is no 'gun violence'.  There's just volence. A very well known and intelligent profession named Gary Mauser did a very exhastive series of studies at one time looking at countries around the world - the presence of guns made no difference to the level of violence and murder or suicides for that matter. some places with guns had more crime, some had less. Switzerland has an assault rifle in pretty much every home and more guns per person than the us and they have almost no 'gun violence'.

So right off the bat, while addressing violence is important i don't think you can take it ipso facto that "gun violence" is important.  We already have very strict rules.

And secondly - we have a very limited amount of time in the house of commons to pass laws. SO - it's more of an 'either or' kind of thing. They're not going to have time to do both in the near future most likely.

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

1. It's important to prioritize and focus on the most pressing issues affecting public safety and well-being. Tough on crime, I agree. 

We agree there  - we could also say it's important to focus on those things which will give us the greatest return for our efforts.  A new law and no money gets us a reduction in on-bail kilings right away - a billion dollars and gun siezures may never actually result in a single life saved.

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

 

1. However, effective solutions require a comprehensive and multi-faceted approach, rather than just targeting one particular aspect such as gun control and "liberals". Do you disagree? 

Not exactly.  While SOME issues require comprehensive solutions to work, there are times when the rule of simple does apply.

Also urgency plays a role.  The british had a saying in ww2 - "second best tomorrow".  In other words they would rather have a MOSTLY perfect solution BEFORE the germans invaded rather than having a perfect one after it was too late. Which gave them their radar network.

Sometimes, when people are getting killed and there is an obvious urgent issue and an existential and identifiable threat to the people, you have to go with 'second best tomorrow' and look at a more comprehensive solution later.

Repealing the bail law right now would be a great 'second best tomorrow' solution.

[Legato]

52 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I understand that you're passionate about Canadian politics, as you most likely have an interest.

Instead of blaming everything on the Liberals, what exactly is the solution here? Are you interested in a solution? 

Doesn't the blame belong where it lies, or is that just a myth or vote buying or both.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Contrarian said:

Yes, but is easy to critique when one is not driving. So, sure, critique one that drives, but what are the solutions when one will take the wheel? 
 

" don't... crash... the... car."  

The party in power must always defend their actions.  That is the way of it. It is NOT for the people NOT in power to come up with solutions. As you say, they tend to be comprehensive and basically at that point the "solution" is "let someone else run the country". 

Instead people correctly raise and examine falures (and successes) in policy and then it is up to the powers that be to correct those failures - or be replaced.

Our system is based entirely on the concept of 'opposing' the gov't and demanding they account for themselves. If after that the people are still content that, on balance, they're a good gov't then fine, they get re-elected. If the people decide otherwise a different gov't will be elected. THat's how our system functions.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

While the party in power should defend its actions, it is also important for the opposition to present alternative ideas and policies. 

Not really.  What you're talking about is 'management by committee'.  And that is not a great model. There's the old joke that a camel is a horse designed by committee .

To be honestly effective there has to be one hand on the wheel. You can't have a patchwork solution, it has to be one comprehensive vision. 

So no - it is absolutely not important for the opposition to propose alternatives. The only time that's relevant is when they're looking at a bill in second reading and committee and they're specifically trying to find errors or bad law and correct that - but the nature of the bill itself won't likley change. That's just details.

 

15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

However, this is why the CPC will win, reasonable men like you, told you before, after the elections will pass, we will do other battles, but I think men like you which really when you talk, is like PP's style, are needed in this country now, because of what the left wing has done. 

I would tend to agree.

15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The price on this board: You have to deal with the centrist whisky stick once in a while but remember, for this election, I and you are temporary allies. After the election, then, it depends on how your side plays it. If PP is just like any man that goes there and starts blaming the bureaucracy then we will debate differently.

• Thanks for being an old sport and not polluting the board with personal attacks, it would not have been good for the conversation.

We'll worry about how the next gov't is doing after we get rid of this one LOL.

Frankly if he's not doing good i have no problem calling him on it. When the PC federal party become corrupt and useless, conservatives tore it down and destroyed it. And that's how all canadians should be - never be afraid to burn your party to the ground and start again, they all get rot if you let them go long enough.

[blackbird]

Did you folks see the latest revelations about China's interference and threats against a member of Parliament's relatives in China?  And the Liberals do nothing about it.   I have to wonder, is the Liberal government under the control of China now?  Is that really possible?  They do not want to expel anybody and appear running scared of China. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did you folks see the latest revelations about China's interference and threats against a member of Parliament's relatives in China?  And the Liberals do nothing about it.   I have to wonder, is the Liberal government under the control of China now?  Is that really possible?  They do not want to expel anybody and appear running scared of China. 

They're just preparing an appropriate response and when it's ready they'll unleash hell on those bastards.

Should be ready shortly after the next election