Sad election topics

[Bro]

According to our unbiased Canadian press,the most"pressing" items for our next election is the right for gays to call their union a marriage,in the same text used for heterosexual people,Quebec seperation,{again],and liberals trying to defend their fairness to tax payers over their last term.Yawn,Yawn,Yawn.

Is it possible for Canadians to actually vote for a party that has the majority of Canadians and their well being in mind,instead of the current government who likes spending money now for future promised spending,which we rarely ever see

come true anyway.Wake up little sleepy headed Canadians!

[Slavik44]

And you know definitavely what party has the majority of Canadians well being as there best interest? Or do you just want the majority of Canadians to vote the way you do? There is a difference, and there may be a difference between what you want and what someone else may want or what you define as what the majority wants and what someone else defines as such. To be honest with you surveys indicate the majority of Canadians want Pot decriminalized, want quebec as a part of this country, want homosexual marrige legislation to be kept, etc... and who says it is up to you to write them off, do you wrtie them off because they are un important or because your party doesn't represent the majority view?

While the election topics so far may not be that hair raising that is not to say it wont change and it is not to say you can write them off and delegate them to the back seat all the while claiming you know what canadians want, perhpas Canadians might just vote for what they want. Just because you don;t like their conclusions or how the reach them is no reason to say they need to wake up.

[normanchateau]

Is it possible for Canadians to actually vote for a party that has the majority of Canadians and their well being in mind,

Canadians are far less selfish than your comment implies. Most Canadians not only care about the well being of the majority but also about the well being of the minority.

Your comments imply that it's somewhow the fault of the media that Harper has taken the positions that he has. Is it the media's fault that Harper blurted out in BC that he supports the notion of criminal records and jail time for young people who possess even very small amounts of marijuana? Would it have been so bad if he had simply said let's go after the drug dealers rather than jailing young people for the harmless act of possession of small amounts of a substance less dangerous than alcohol?

Sure, marijuana users are a minority but how many of them do there have to be before

Harper decides they shouldn't be jailed?

[daniel]

Every election topic is sad. That's why we have elections, because there's always some people who wants a change in government for whatever the (sad) reason.

You should also note that only the incumbent party talks about the good things.

[Leafless]

Normanchateau

You wrote- " Most Canadians about the well being of the majority but also about the well being of the minority."

No your wrong.

What referendum ever indicated this as fact?

We are dictated to by the Liberal party of Canada what Canadians want. This is supposedly confirmed with unreliable tricky dicky polls.

There is also confusion what constitutes a true minority.

Thousands of situations can classify someone as part of a minority.

And this is the area we need strong leadership to identify the difference between say a (blind person part of a minority), (a group of homosexuals rebelling against the system part of a minority), (a physically hadicapped individuals, part of a minority), ( a group demanding the legalization of drugs, part of a minority).

To make everyone equal in all areas is impossible and could threaten the safety of Canadians and quality of life itself.

This is why the only political system that works is rule by the majority prompted by sound logical issue's by leaders of our politcal parties.

I fully believe the system is broken and individuals desiring laws to fill their corrupt lifestyles or inability to accept Canada as a single country with loyalities to the country is hampering the efforts of political leaders like Stephen Harper.

[normanchateau]

Normanchateau

You wrote- " Most Canadians not only care about the well being of the majority but also about the well being of the minority."

No your wrong.

There is also confusion what constitutes a true minority.

Thousands of situations can classify someone as part of a minority.

To make everyone equal in all areas is impossible and could threaten the safety of Canadians and quality of life itself.

Excellent points Leafless. I think Stephen Harper should hire you to write his speeches.

[hiti]

We are dictated to by the Liberal party of Canada what Canadians want. This is supposedly confirmed with unreliable tricky dicky polls.

Actually the Liberal Party flip and flop to what Canadians want. Hence the polls.

Now if it were the CPC at 40% the polls were be bang on, eh?

[Leafless]

hiti

You wrote- " Actually the Liberal party flip and flop to what Canadians want."

Democratic concerns in the area of constituent representation by their MP is non- existent.

Please provide evidence or a link that prove constituent concerns are are being addressed by their local MP's and hence the polls.

Please tell me how and what method Canadian citizens approach the government with their legitimate concerns and how the federal government tells Canadian citizens in advance of any poll that indeed a legitimate poll will be held concerning a certain question with the question advertised and printed in advance to insure Canadians are aware of what the question is prior to any poll.

I believe you have your facts reversed as it's the government that creates the issue's and hence the questionable tricky dicky polls.

This could be considered undemocratic political manipulation of the Canadian population.

[Melanie_]

I fully believe the system is broken and individuals desiring laws to fill their corrupt lifestyles or inability to accept Canada as a single country with loyalities to the country is hampering the efforts of political leaders like Stephen Harper.

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Oh, Leafless, you make it too easy. Hampering the efforts of Stephen Harper? Perish the thought!

[normanchateau]

Oh, Leafless, you make it too easy. Hampering the efforts of Stephen Harper? Perish the thought!

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Yes, how sad if someone were to hamper his "efforts" to create a better Canada!

[BubberMiley]

I think people like Leafless are hampering the efforts of the Conservative party more than anyone.

[Leafless]

BubberMiley

You wrote- " I think people like Leafless are hampering the efforts of the conservative party than anyone."

I support Conservative initiatives to provide Canadians with democratic reform.

Don't you? Or do you prefer Liberal republic type closed door politics.

I also would like to see mini referendums similar to the U.S. concerning important questions at every federal election.

[normanchateau]

We are dictated to by the Liberal party of Canada what Canadians want. This is supposedly confirmed with unreliable  tricky dicky polls.

"unreliable tricky dicky polls"? Wasn't US President Richard Nixon referred to as Tricky Dicky? What do unreliable Richard Nixon polls have to do with the Liberal Party of Canada?

[BubberMiley]

No, Leafless. I don't support the Liberal party, but my point was, people like you set the Conservative movement back because no one wants to be associated with intolerant, self-righteous people who think God's on their side and they have moral authority, when really they're just self-serving and close-minded and can't mind their own business.

And regarding referenda, I think the Charlottetown Accord proved that people are way too disinterested to ever be able to provide an informed judgement. They just voted against it because they were mad about the GST. People elect politicians they agree with. If they don't agree with them, they should elect someone else four years later. Period.

[scribblet]

No, Leafless. I don't support the Liberal party, but my point was, people like you set the Conservative movement back because no one wants to be associated with intolerant, self-righteous people who think God's on their side and they have moral authority, when really they're just self-serving and close-minded and can't mind their own business.

And regarding referenda, I think the Charlottetown Accord proved that people are way too disinterested to ever be able to provide an informed judgement. They just voted against it because they were mad about the GST. People elect politicians they agree with. If they don't agree with them, they should elect someone else four years later. Period.

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Personally I have yet to see anyone as intolerant and self righteous as the current crop of liberals who think they have a divine right to rule. Liberal-tolerance is an oxymoron these days.

[normanchateau]

Personally I have yet to see anyone as intolerant and self righteous as the current crop of liberals who think they have a divine right to rule. 

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I'd say Harper is rather intolerant.

[Leafless]

BubberMiley

You wrote- " no one wants to be associated with intolerent, intolerent self-righteous people who think God's on their side and they have moral authority."

I think what you said is nothing more than lowest class Liberal propaganda associated with nothing more than to defeat the Conservatives at any cost.

The Liberals are playing 'robbing hood' to appease followers of their 'just society', a society that has never been successful anywhere in the world with a multitude of tax payer funded social policies and programs and will eventualy prove be the downfall of Canada as a country.

You wrote- " The Charlottetown Accord proved that people are way to disinterested to ever be able to provide an informed judgement. they just voted against it because they were mad about the GST."

I don't think the GST had anything to do with the rejection of the Charlottown Accord and Mulroney did give Canadians the right to a referendum and was rejected because of constitutional concers.

[BubberMiley]

Leafless, I've never voted Liberal in my life, so I doubt I would be one to generate Liberal propaganda. My feelings about your contempt disguised as moral superiority goes beyond party lines.

And you can't tell me the general population had a clue about the constitution when they voted on Charlottetown. Nobody is ever interested enough in constitutional issues to make an informed decision. That's why I'm opposed to referenda in general. They just voted no because Mulroney had a 12% approval rating and they wanted to vote against anything he wanted.

[tweedledee]

Good reply, Bubba, the liberals have the corner on intolerance these days. Talking about moral authorithy, the liberals lost that one a long time ago. I was beginning to buy into that liberal propaganda too but it doesnt fly. I did some checking and talking to people, Harper is NOT a so-con and ya know what, neither are the majority of conservatrives. Simpy erroneous propaganda, Lenin would be proud of his useful idiots.

[normanchateau]

I did some checking and talking to people, Harper is NOT a so-con

Checking and talking? Well, that sure proves it.

[scribblet]

Good reply, Bubba, the liberals have the corner on intolerance these days.  Talking about moral authorithy, the liberals lost that one a long time ago.  I was beginning to buy into that liberal propaganda too but it doesnt fly.  I did some checking and talking to people, Harper is NOT a so-con and ya know what, neither are the majority of conservatrives.  Simpy erroneous propaganda, Lenin would be proud of his useful idiots.

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I can attest to that one too, I was active on a riding association for some time, (more than one as we moved) and have been to a lot of meetings and a couple of conventions, met a lot of people from across the country. There are social conservatives in the party, no doubt about it, but they are a minority. Harper himself is a fiscal conservative, in fact one of the reasons he broke with Preston Manning was because of Manning being too strong on 'social issues'. 'That dog don't hunt anymore' So don't take the bait on that one.

While we are on the subject (I forget what the topic is now, they all get sidetracked into this one issue, by one poster) Social conservatives, communists yeah, even those scary Christians, have a right to a voice, they have as much right as an atheist or a communist does to take part in democratic proceedings. The day we start telling people they have no right to an opinion or to take part in any political process, is the death of democracy.

[normanchateau]

I can attest to that one too, I was active on a riding association for some time, (more than one as we moved) and have been to a lot of meetings and a couple of conventions, met a lot of people from across the country.  There are social conservatives in the party, no doubt about it, but they are a minority.  Harper himself is a fiscal conservative, in fact one of the reasons he broke with Preston Manning was because of Manning being too strong on  'social issues'.    'That dog don't hunt anymore'  So don't take the bait on that one.

Of course he's a fiscal conservative but that does not preclude him also being a social conservative. The two forms of conservatism are not mutually exclusive.

If Harper is not a social conservative relative to other CPC members despite his opposition to decriminalization, opposition to SSM, etc., this means that either:

(1) he is merely pretending to be a social conservative but is far more liberal

(2) the rest of the party, or some portion thereof, is even more conservative than Harper

(3) he has been forced to declare socially conservative views against his own free will

(4) his opposition to marijuana decriminalization, SSM, etc., is based not on social conservatism but on unstated and secret (and possibly irrational in the case of the former) reasons which he's chosen not to share with the general public

Of course there may also be other reasons but I've yet to hear them.