Bbc - Time To Get Rid Of It

[Craig Read]

The BBC - Kelly suicide story apparently has the British titillated. The BBC lied about its source on a report by its man Gilligan on Blair's 'sexed up' threat of Iraq's nuclear program. Gilligan and the BBC said that Blair's spokesman Campbell was the source. When Campbell vehemently denied the charge and after the BBC admitted that it had no evidence that Campbell even talked to a BBC reporter, it went lower down the food chain - in fact quite a bit lower to some obscure cranky bureaucrat named Kelly who said he gave the BBC information but did not quite know how the BBC took that information and created the idea that Blair 'sexed up' the Iraq file. Kelly in effect said that the BBC perverted any information he might have given them.

In effect both Campbell and Kelly said the BBC had lied.

As one analyst rightly pointed out:

"That's the way demagogues have operated through the ages and, while it seldom works in the long term, it can succeed in the short run, where elections are won and lost. This strategy is now being fully deployed on both sides of the Atlantic in an attempt to nullify the victory in Iraq."

Time to privatise these monstrous State owned propaganda networks. The public should not countenance the lies constantly put forward by the BBC as 'fact'. Especially when the cost of such reporting is on the back of the taxpayer.

[Moderate Centrist]

Yes but in this case the BBC is going against the government.

Time to get rid of it? The BBC has one of the finest repuations in the news business.

I see no need to get rid of it or the CBC for that matter.

[Craig Read]

The BBC lied. It is has a habit of lying. It is funded by taxpayers. Why do you need state own propaganda mouthpieces ? Is that the basis of your national identity ? Of your self esteem ? Do you need to be spoon fed by the CBC or BBC what makes you unique in the world ? Is that the limit to the populations ability to think ?

Or more roundly isn't it just another organ used by gov'ts to whip up anti-Americanism ?

Freedom to choose, the BBC and the CBC offer neither freedom, nor choice. They serve up palp, and in the case of Gulf War II a lot of lies.

[Moderate Centrist]

We need the CBC and BBC to get accurate responsible journalism which is largely not provided by the private sector on which dominates the news BUSINESS and has no interest in truth or the public good - only making profit.

[SirRiff]

craig please post a link to show that the BBC officially labelled cambell as the source. i dont recall it.

SirRiff

[Craig Read]

A great indictment of what is wrong with the CBC and BBC;

"What led to it is the BBC's all-out campaign to validate its world view. Because the mass graves and accounts of torture by Mr. Saddam's regime were too real, the BBC has latched onto the fact that WMDs have not been found yet to justify its animosity toward the liberation of Iraq. And this animus sprang from the consensus that the West is always wrong.

The most succinct description of what the BBC has become, that I've seen anyway, comes from Conrad Black, owner of the Telegraph newspapers. In a letter to last Saturday's Daily Telegraph, Lord Black wrote: "The BBC is pathologically hostile to the government and official opposition, most British institutions, American policy in almost every field, Israel, moderation in Ireland, all Western religions, and most manifestations of the free market economy.

"It benefits from an iniquitous tax, abuses its position commercially, has shredded its formal obligation to separate comment from reporting in all political areas, to provide variety of comment, and is poisoning the well of public policy debate in the U.K. It is a virulent culture of bias. Though its best programming in nonpolitical areas is distinguished, sadly it has become the greatest menace facing the country it was founded to serve and inform."

right on.

CBC take notice.

[Moderate Centrist]

That's fine as an opinion. However Conrad Black is hardly the model of unbiased journalistic principles.

[Craig Read]

Yes but if you don't Black don't read or watch him. He does not go hat in hand to the gov't crying for cash like the BBC. He also does not use tax payer money to attack the sitting government. I find it reprehensible that the BBC has spent the past 8 months attacking Blair non-stop. This is not its mandate nor is it healthy to waste tax dollars on vendetta's.

Privatise it - its share, rating and quality is bad. Time to introduce reforms namely; productivity, good quality product, and the ability to survive or fail on its own merits.

[Moderate Centrist]

"Privatise it"

- Craig

Hi Craig,

In other words throw out journalistic principles and give in to the profit motive regardless of news quality.

[Craig Read]

Competition begets quality. The BBC has a low share, steals money from taxpayers to pay itself, then engages in a year long battle against Blair. Its news items, like the CBC, are anti-American drivel for the most part.

The BBC is a left liberal, totally biased and ill informed subsidised media firm.

If you believe it is so necessary then use tax payer funding and give some to its competition [same $ per market share] as well. This is sordid but fair. I would not recommend it, but the left liberal bleeding hearts must admit it would be fair. Better yet - just get rid of it.

The days of state owned media are long gone. With the plethora of technology available no one can make a reasonable case that such enterprises are needed - unless of course you live in Iran, China or Canada ?

[Craig Read]

New charge from the English courts AGAINST the BBC.

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Greg Dyke, the BBC's director general, acknowledged at the inquiry that he was unaware for "several weeks" of the details of a BBC report that claimed the British government had "sexed up" intelligence to make the case for war in Iraq. On several occasions, the judge or his lead counsel questioned Mr. Dyke about whether the BBC had adequately addressed the government's denial of the report.

The judge, Lord Hutton, questioned why the BBC board of governors in July had strongly endorsed the controversial May 29 BBC radio report without seeing an internal BBC e-mail in which the radio program's editor said the broadcast was "marred by flawed reporting." Mr. Dyke attended much of that governors' meeting.

"Do you not think," asked Lord Hutton, "that someone in the BBC chain of management should have brought this to the attention" of Mr. Dyke or the BBC's news director, Richard Sambrook, before the governors' meeting? Replied Mr. Dyke: "Whether they should have done, they did not." He said the BBC's overall response had been shaped by a broad and "unprecedented" attack on its journalistic credibility by Prime Minister Tony Blair's office.

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Amen. Disband the ruse and nonsense of public propaganda outlets.

[Whistler]

One man’s ‘tax waist’ is another’s ‘public broadcast’ lets not have all news media and journalists sellout to almighty profit. WMD’s were used as a crutch to invade and the BBC exposed the possible extent of the deceit. Some might not want to evaluate all sides of issues, most do however. A man died either by his own hand or others over the incident. This is noteworthy. Politicians must be held accountable.

Who knows Iran might have the ability to deliver WMD’s in 15 minutes. The BBC stays.

[Craig Read]

Lying, manipulation, using public money to try to bring down a government, unsubstantiated sources, bad news casts, poor programming, living off the socialised tax system - this is ridiculous and immoral.

They receive ad dollars like a private company but are coddled by the gov't.

Good grief man, maybe time to grow up and stop slurping public supported palp ?

[Black Dog]

Competition begets quality.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Exhibit A: FoxNews.

The BBC is a left liberal, totally biased and ill informed subsidised media firm.

A totally biased, subsidised media firm would be fine by you if it peddled views you agreed with. Don't even try to pretend you have any real interest in objectivity or fairness, any more than the Coulter's, O'Reilly's, Limbaugh's and other right-wing syncophants (who, curiously enough, seem to do fairly well in spite of the alleged "left wing" bias in the media) do.

[Whistler]

Does all of Craig Read’s posts end is a personal attack?

With the obvious lack of reasoning ability I sure hope you got the opposing thumbs.

[nova_satori]

Does all of Craig Read’s posts end is a personal attack?

With the obvious lack of reasoning ability I sure hope you got the opposing thumbs.

Usually. The thing i see wrong with Craig, is that everything liberials have ever done, or touched is corrupted and must be purged. He believes that liberals have done nothing good, are a plague to the world, and must be killed. He also fails to see the other side about 80-95% of the time.

Sometimes he's hypocrtical, but everyone is like that. I remmeber one post, he went #3: Liberals like to use (lots of and LOTS of insults)

Then ended with a vulgar personnal attack. LOL

Also, he seems to think, (this thread shows it), that if something makes a single mistake, it should be destroyed. Now if we applied that to everything, no one would exist.

He's great isn't he?

[Whistler]

Thanks I thought it might just be me.

I’m a little confused about the whole topic. Isn’t the BBC acting in a manner we expect from free media? How else would we have coined all those nifty terms like ‘CigarGate’?

[nova_satori]

I’m a little confused about the whole topic. Isn’t the BBC acting in a manner we expect from free media? How else would we have coined all those nifty terms like ‘CigarGate’?

It's not acting in the extreme right-wing manner that Craig expects of the world. Thus, it should be destroyed. lol

It saddens me that people like him exist.

[Craig Read]

The investigation exonerated Blair and condemned BBC reporting. Thanks for your mindless chatter - but no one who thinks pays any attention to it.

A simple case illustrates the mindlessness of lie-beral reporting.

An Iraqi bureaucrat told the Clinton News Network that 170.000 artifacts were stolen from various museums.

The BBC, CBC and assorted snot nosed Liberal professors from the Ivy Leagues all clapped their flippers together like the small minded trained seals they are - descrying this lost as the greatest archeological disaster in human history.

Actual missing pieces - 33. Most of them shards of pottery.

Lie-beralism and State media - have to love your sense of proportion - a disaster no matter if it is a success - it must be disaster.

Duh.

[nova_satori]

If an organization or a person makes one mistake they must be shot!

lol. I'm glad I don't share any ethnic or national traits with you. I hope I never meet anyone like you.

[Craig Read]

No, they the BBC spent one year fighting the Blair's gov't - on taxpayer dollars.

This is NOT what it was created to do.

The entire org and senior management approved the incorrect report. This was also proven in the inquiry. The entire BBC is full of rot.

You do live in a different and rather sad world.

[RB]

isn't this the problem....unsupervised and mostly wild aggressive journalism - searching and scuming the earth to report not only what is thought to be "dirt", but exaggerated, and interpreted for news

this would have been a low profiled case pursued by the government had some folks owe up to judgemental errors

the bbc needs leadership, someone who can carry and hold responsiblity of output of news especially when it is a risky story.

[FastNed]

Not being British, I could well be wrong but I thought the purpose of the BBC was to be a source of objective reporting. By adopting a particular political point of view as their raison d'etre they betray their stated purpose. As they are supported by mandatory public funding, this is especially objectionable.

Should the Board of Governors be forced to resign?

[Craig Read]

The entire Board needs to resign and the BBC privatised.

The era of 'Nazi' television apparently ended in 1945.

[SirRiff]

The investigation exonerated Blair and condemned BBC reporting

whoa whoa whoa...

exonerated blair personally? or exonerated the gov from misleading its people

remember we have the british intelligence report that was lifted from that american kids research report

then the whole 45 minute launch thing

and numerous other cases of twisting the truth

so i dont think its accurate to impy that the british gov is innocent of any misinformation, they are obviously not.