Hargrove Appointed to Senate

[August1991]

I especially want to repeat what I said this morning to the Prime Minister.  When you look at the record of the minority government for the next 17 months that it would have served the interest of Canadians to continue for another 17 months... This minority government deserves to go back to Ottawa, with even bigger numbers... Support for our industries - for the auto industry. Over $900 million in support for this important industry under attack from offshore imports...  This has been one of the most productive parliaments in the history of our Canada.

Liberal Party press release

Oshawa Car Plant No. 2, where Pontiac Grand Prix and Buick LaCrosse autos are assembled, will shut down after current production plans end in 2008. No new car models will replace that production, resulting in 2,750 job losses. GM will also remove the third shift at Oshawa Car Plant No. 1 which assembles the Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo in the second half of 2006, causing a reduction of 1000 jobs.

CNN

Adding insult to injury is the fact that GM's deep cuts came on the heels of a recent decision by Ottawa and Ontario to commit $435-million to the automaker's $2.5-billion plan to reinvest in its Canadian facilities -- a project that GM said it plans to pursue.

Financial Post

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If you think federal tax money should be given to Ontario auto workers, then you'll agree with Martin and Hargrove. Not.

If you think federal tax money should be given to GM shareholders, then you'll agree with Martin and Hargrove. Not.

If you think federal tax money should just be wasted by bad GM managers, then you'll agree with Martin and Hargrove.

All that is happening here is that Paul Martin is using taxpayer money to buy a press conference (and a press release) with Buzz Hargrove. The cost? A senate seat.

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I am more upset about the money the Liberals are wasting on these Corporate Welfare Bums.

And I empathize with Layton and others in the NDP for the way Hargrove is treating them.

[southerncomfort]

Wow, wasn't it Hargrove who came up with the strategic voting, e.g. don't vote NDP if it will split the vote, vote liberal to stop the conservatives? These guys promote strategic voting, sell out the NDPers then moan and whine when they don't get enough seats to qualify for funding status etc. Wow, what a sell out, and slimey.

[justcrowing]

Wow, wasn't it Hargrove who came up with the strategic voting, e.g.  don't vote NDP if it will split the vote, vote liberal to stop the conservatives?  These guys promote strategic voting, sell out the NDPers then moan and whine when they don't get enough seats to qualify for funding status etc.    Wow, what a sell out, and slimey.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well he wants a cushy job with no stress. And Martin, gotta hand it to him, is taking votes away from the NDP to feather his own nest. And the beat goes on!!

[Guest eureka]

GM is also investing $2,5 billion for R&D facilities. Much of that will go to Oshawa. The layoffs are no worse than have been experienced before due to the cyclical nature of the Auto Industry.

[Bakunin]

I think this is why we should try to stop subsidies as much as we can and drop the taxes down instead.

We should invest more in small and medium company that won't let us down constantly.

GM cars are the crappiest on the market, they can't compete with the asians and the european... they can't even compete with the other americans... I guess its partly because of the cost of the car and partly because they can't adapt to the market. One day or another they will have to send their production to china or korean or india.

Stopping subsidies could be our plan to face up china and india. And to do that, we should drop down the taxes of companies that won't let us down.

[Rovik]

This could be good for the NDP. Many, many people including myself, have always been leery of the union's influence on the NDP. Perhaps this may tell people that the union's influence on the NDP is waning and could result in more votes for the NDP.

[lovecanada]

Why is our federal government engaged in the corporate world?? Muckers off! If you prop up Ford, you must then prop up GM etc. etc. etc . etc. The federal government has no right to spend our tax money proping up firms that should live or die on their own.

I have a favorite charity that has had to lay off people just before Christmas because there is no government funding for guide dogs. Guide dogs make lives easier for people who can not see. Maybe the dog should explain it to you all.

Get real you NDP, Liberal supporters...you talk the talk, about helping the poor but when it comes down to REALLY helping the disadvantaged you fall way short of the mark.

[scribblet]

I think this is why we should try to stop subsidies as much as we can and drop the taxes down instead.

We should invest more in small and medium company that won't let us down constantly.

GM cars are the crappiest on the market, they can't compete with the asians and the european... they can't even compete with the other americans... I guess its partly because of the cost of the car and partly because they can't adapt to the market. One day or another they will have to send their production to china or korean or india.

Stopping subsidies could be our plan to face up china and india. And to do that, we should drop down the taxes of companies that won't let us down.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Are you sure they are the crappiest on the market, and its not just an incorrect perception?

After seeing Hargrove's mugshot with Paul Martin, I'm wondering if Buzz isn't angling for a senate seat. What a sell out he is.

[justcrowing]

Wow, wasn't it Hargrove who came up with the strategic voting, e.g.  don't vote NDP if it will split the vote, vote liberal to stop the conservatives?  These guys promote strategic voting, sell out the NDPers then moan and whine when they don't get enough seats to qualify for funding status etc.    Wow, what a sell out, and slimey.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How true - also, can you imagine a country controlled by unions? If we think we have it bad now - Hargrove is just licking his chops to get to the trough.

[scribblet]

Wow, wasn't it Hargrove who came up with the strategic voting, e.g.  don't vote NDP if it will split the vote, vote liberal to stop the conservatives?  These guys promote strategic voting, sell out the NDPers then moan and whine when they don't get enough seats to qualify for funding status etc.    Wow, what a sell out, and slimey.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How true - also, can you imagine a country controlled by unions? If we think we have it bad now - Hargrove is just licking his chops to get to the trough.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1 cannot imagine it, I can only image how much industry would flee Canada in a minute, if the NDP should ever become the government. How anyone NDPer can support Buzz is a mystery

[justcrowing]

Wow, wasn't it Hargrove who came up with the strategic voting, e.g.  don't vote NDP if it will split the vote, vote liberal to stop the conservatives?  These guys promote strategic voting, sell out the NDPers then moan and whine when they don't get enough seats to qualify for funding status etc.    Wow, what a sell out, and slimey.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How true - also, can you imagine a country controlled by unions? If we think we have it bad now - Hargrove is just licking his chops to get to the trough.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1 cannot imagine it, I can only image how much industry would flee Canada in a minute, if the NDP should ever become the government. How anyone NDPer can support Buzz is a mystery

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Easy - self interest; fill my pockets and be damned with everyone else and how it affects them.

[Duke]

Interesting how the BUZZARD always talks about the Auto industry in terms of GM and Ford. The non union shops of Toyota and Honda are building new plants in Ontario so the net auto production figures will not decline ...only the unionized jobs for the CAW. If there is this desire to our throw money at private companies I wold rather it got to winners like Toyota than to the losersl like GM.

[justcrowing]

Interesting how the BUZZARD always talks about the Auto industry in terms of GM and Ford. The non union shops of Toyota and Honda are building new plants in Ontario so the net auto production figures will not decline ...only the unionized jobs for the CAW. If there is this desire to our throw money at private companies I wold rather it got to winners like Toyota than to the losersl like GM.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You bet, I love our Toyota and I shall continue to support non-union businesses.