Yzermandius19 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, August1991 said: Woodrow Wilson "defined" Ukraine. To be progressive, these foreigners from abroad are now known in English as "Ukrainian". ===== Putin and so-called Ukrainians are doing what Trudeau Snr avoided for Canada. In Canada, we get along. This was the main idea of Trudeau Snr - a federal state - counterweights. bullshit when Russia and Ukraine were the same country Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians being one country doesn't cause Ukraine and Russia to get along history shows the exact opposite occurs Ukrainians are even more poorly treated by Russians than they are now Edited August 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
August1991 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 6:07 PM, TreeBeard said: Ukraine is well defined by internationally recognized borders. This was never in dispute. Until Russia decided so. Strongly disagree. Is Crimea part of Ukraine? Or is it Russian? ===== More broadly, is Slovakia part of Czechoslavakia? Or Europe? Quote
August1991 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: bullshit when Russia and Ukraine were the same country Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians .... I have a particular view of Europeans. They are not civilised. They are violent - every generation or so, they fight each other and cause mayhem for the rest of us. 1618-1648 -Thirty Years War 1789-1815 -Napoleonic Wars 1914-1945 -World War I and II Tolstoi wrote a book about this. Edited August 12, 2022 by August1991 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, August1991 said: I have a particular view of Europeans. They are not civilised. They are violent - every generation or so, they fight each other and cause mayhem for the rest of us. 1618-1648 1789-1815 1914-1945 Tolstoi wrote a book about this. false dichotomy violence and civilization are not mutually exclusive terms civilization is not the absence of war one can be both violent and civilized the most civilized nations on the planet are often quite violent and good at violence Edited August 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
August1991 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: false dichotomy violence and civilization are not mutually exclusive terms civilization is not the absence of war one can be both violent and civilized Precisely. Excepting the Civil War, the USA is a civilised place without war. Edited August 12, 2022 by August1991 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, August1991 said: Precisely. Excepting the Civil War, the USA is a civilised place without war. America is quite violent when they don't direct that energy at themselves they direct it at others it is hardly without war it is constantly at war yet it's the greatest civilization in the history of mankind Edited August 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
August1991 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) Now, "Europe"? The Finns fought the Russians. The Swedes stayed "neutral". The Norwegians were quislings. ==== We must bring several billion children into the modern world. I think Steve Jobs has done better than Ingvar Kamprad. Edited August 12, 2022 by August1991 Quote
michaelcarter Posted August 17, 2022 Report Posted August 17, 2022 They couldn't find peaceful and suitable solution for many years. What's the chance that they can do it now? Absolutely zero. War will continue until someone realizes that their citizens' lives are much more valuable than other benefits from the East or West. Quote
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