2,000 deaths too many

[Montgomery Burns]

Black Dog:

You morons. For all you know, the photog pointed the camera and yelled "smile!"

You trolling fool. If you weren't such a close-minded ideologue, you'd have read the article and noted that the photographer pointed out that he did not tell anyone to pose and smile. The mask is off. Everyone knows that the far left hates the USA and its militarymen and women who protect them.

I think you're just upset that you missed the 2000 American Deaths in Iraq Party.

[moderateamericain]

2000 lives for another 50 years of world domination? if i was a politican id make the same trade. And i promise you that GWB would do the same thing again.

[Montgomery Burns]

Why are the Iraqis the anointed people worthy of shedding so much US blood and money?

Typical leftie rebuttal; change the subject.

Hardly, you can't be self righteous about 'helping' the Iraqi people right now without answering that obvious question. In any case, the best thing the US could do right now for the Iraqis would be to pull all of its troops out and close any permanent bases. If the Iraqis want to have their civil war then let them. However, I suspect that things would get quite civilized quite fast as soon as the invaders have left the country.

But we know that won't happen because Bush does not want a free and democratic Iraq unless the democracy produces results that Bush wants. I don't really call that freedom.

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It is frightening, truly frightening, to think of what would happen to Iraq if Sparhawk had his way.

Man, the far left is SCARY.

[newbie]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

[Aslan]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

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I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

[tml12]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

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I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

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May I ask: would your support for Bush drop at all if he said: "I now have to raise your taxes and get rid of your social security to pay for the beauty of freedom and the end of fascist tyranny in Iraq?"

You have a president who is in economic denial. One of the reasons I support the conservative viewpoint is because I like a strong economy free of tax and spend liberals.

The problem with Bush is he spends carte blanche while cutting the taxes of the richest...you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Aslan]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

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I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

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May I ask: would your support for Bush drop at all if he said: "I now have to raise your taxes and get rid of your social security to pay for the beauty of freedom and the end of fascist tyranny in Iraq?"

You have a president who is in economic denial. One of the reasons I support the conservative viewpoint is because I like a strong economy free of tax and spend liberals.

The problem with Bush is he spends carte blanche while cutting the taxes of the richest...you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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More urban myths and intellectual dishonesty. You apparently are unaware that this war is the second cheapest military enterprise in US history (date here: www.logictimes.com/dissent.htm. We have an 11 trillion dollar economy and can afford to defend ourselves against Islamo-fascism. You may have missed the recent almost 4% rise in GDP this last quarter despite hurricanes and the war?

[Riverwind]

You apparently are unaware that this war is the second cheapest military enterprise in US history (date here: www.logictimes.com/dissent.htm.

Well the money might be well spent if it actually accomplished something other than turning the entire world against the US and ensuring that Al Queda will have no problem recruiting people for future terrorist attacks against the US.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Aslan,

That link is full of bunk. It should be called "Made Up Logic 101' if anything.

The overwhelming success of the United States military in overthrowing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein with casualties commensurate with a small Civil War skirmish and without collateral damage typical of modern warfare is a stunning tribute to our Armed Forces.  The lessons of this modern blitzkrieg will be taught in military textbooks for centuries to come.  There can be no dissent on this score.

No dissent? Afghanistan is far from 'secured'. This line

The lessons of this modern blitzkrieg will be taught in military textbooks for centuries to come

almost made me blow beer out my nose.

Why are Americans increasingly giving the same enemy who slaughtered thousands of civilians on 9/11 exactly what they want?

This is a good question, and in the book "Imperial Hubris", the author suggests that the invasion of Iraq was a gift Bin Laden and his ilk could only dream of.

[Riverwind]

Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go.  Start gearing up for your riots.

The roits in France have nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with poverty and racism. There is no difference between what is going on now in Paris and what happened in LA after the Rodney King beating tapes where aired in the early nineties.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission.

Right, Bush will bomb the Iraqis into democracy - that makes lots of sense.

[Guest eureka]

Do you live in the same fairyland as your namesake, Aslan? Perhaps you get your information from Harry Potter, too.

The second cheapest war in American history, my eye. Or perhaps the Grenada incident, for one, cost so much money for the medals after the war that it cost more than Iraq. Did you know that more medals were awarded for that campaign than there were troops taking part?

I could think of a few other adventures whose total cost would not equal Iraq. Every photo op for Georgie would cost more than some of the excursions to tiny "enemies."

The 4% rise in GDP is not atypical for an economy on a war footing.

No collateral damage! I suppose those many tens of thousand of Iraqi civilians who have been killed or injured are not collateral in the Bush sense. George probably thinks collateral refers only to loan securities that his friends put up for him to help him cover the losses in his business ventures and to scam the public into buying baseball stadiums for him.

[newbie]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

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I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

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No thanks. Any site that claims Ann Coulter is a brilliant thinker is not worthy of my attention.

[tml12]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

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May I ask: would your support for Bush drop at all if he said: "I now have to raise your taxes and get rid of your social security to pay for the beauty of freedom and the end of fascist tyranny in Iraq?"

You have a president who is in economic denial. One of the reasons I support the conservative viewpoint is because I like a strong economy free of tax and spend liberals.

The problem with Bush is he spends carte blanche while cutting the taxes of the richest...you can't have your cake and eat it too.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

More urban myths and intellectual dishonesty. You apparently are unaware that this war is the second cheapest military enterprise in US history (date here: www.logictimes.com/dissent.htm. We have an 11 trillion dollar economy and can afford to defend ourselves against Islamo-fascism. You may have missed the recent almost 4% rise in GDP this last quarter despite hurricanes and the war?

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You did not answer my question.

My question is, quite simply, the U.S. has a serious national debt problem right now and Iraq is a major part of that. The U.S. government underestimated the cost of the Iraq war by about 14 billion dollars.

So I ask my question again: are you willing to PAY for the U.S. spending many years in Iraq to rebuild it?

[moderateamericain]

Scarier still is wondering which country Bush will invade next.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I guess I should not surprised, being an American joining a Canadian forum, that this sort of ignorance exists up North. There are others who do show sense. Clearly you must feel that the French solution to Islamo-fascism is the way to go. Start gearing up for your riots.

Bush chooses to let liberty and freedom expose the lie of fascist Islam as opposed to bombing the Middle East into submission. Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

May I ask: would your support for Bush drop at all if he said: "I now have to raise your taxes and get rid of your social security to pay for the beauty of freedom and the end of fascist tyranny in Iraq?"

You have a president who is in economic denial. One of the reasons I support the conservative viewpoint is because I like a strong economy free of tax and spend liberals.

The problem with Bush is he spends carte blanche while cutting the taxes of the richest...you can't have your cake and eat it too.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

More urban myths and intellectual dishonesty. You apparently are unaware that this war is the second cheapest military enterprise in US history (date here: www.logictimes.com/dissent.htm. We have an 11 trillion dollar economy and can afford to defend ourselves against Islamo-fascism. You may have missed the recent almost 4% rise in GDP this last quarter despite hurricanes and the war?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You did not answer my question.

My question is, quite simply, the U.S. has a serious national debt problem right now and Iraq is a major part of that. The U.S. government underestimated the cost of the Iraq war by about 14 billion dollars.

So I ask my question again: are you willing to PAY for the U.S. spending many years in Iraq to rebuild it?

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actually the riots in paris were relgiously geared as well as frustration at poverty levels in muslim ghettos. ive posted several articles in other threads on the subject.

[Black Dog]

actually the riots in paris were relgiously geared as well as frustration at poverty levels in muslim ghettos. ive posted several articles in other threads on the subject.

The religious anghle never struck me as anything more than window dressing. I suspect the vast majority of the rioters don't know the Koran from Cocal Cola.

[moderateamericain]

actually the riots in paris were relgiously geared as well as frustration at poverty levels in muslim ghettos. ive posted several articles in other threads on the subject.

The religious anghle never struck me as anything more than window dressing. I suspect the vast majority of the rioters don't know the Koran from Cocal Cola.

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you could say the same thing about the riots in LA and such, nothing more than an excuse to steal some stuff.

[Black Dog]

you could say the same thing about the riots in LA and such, nothing more than an excuse to steal some stuff.

I wouldn't argue with that.

[PocketRocket]

Read and learn: www.logictimes.com/bushplan.htm

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Man, I went and read through this, and ASLAN, I have to congratulate you on the most preposterously laughable example of circular logic I've ever seen.

My first clue was.....

War dissent as commonly seen in the news today is immoral. Not illegal, for freedom of speech is and must be protected, but immoral in that it exposes our military to increased lethal risk as they attempt to defend this country.

Which is repeating that same old nonsense about how peace protests here cause soldiers to get killed.

That has been said time and again, but no one has ever pointed out any examples, or explained exactly HOW a protest here gets a soldier killed.

Therefore, hyperbolic bunk.

But then just a few short sentences later, you went on to say.....

The time for dissent is in the lead up to war as the people, through their representatives, publicly debate the threat and carefully decide to commit the lives of its military men and women to a just cause.

IOW, cast your vote for the representative of your choice, and then SHUT UP because that representative will make up your mind for you.

Hmmmm.

Two flaws in this.

It makes the assumption that each representative knows EXACTLY what each of his/her constituents desire, and it is also based on the assumption that these representatives are provided accurate information on which to make their decisions.

In light of everyone from CIA to FBI to high level brass saying that the information upon which the war was based was, *ahem* "bad intelligence" (we won't call it "lies"), then how can a "logical" decision be made when the "intelligence" is bad????

So I did indeed, as you suggested, "read and learn".

But what I learned was NOT what you were trying to "teach".

I learned that, just as the far-left has its share of whackos, the far right seems able to rationalize anything it sees fit under the guise of "logic", logic which is as bad as the "intelligence" upon which this war was based.