Psy-ops...What is 'too much'?

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Montgomery Burns,

and the mass graves would be filling up again with innocents. You are strongly against the Iraq war.

If anyone appears to loathe the Iraqis, it is you.

Most of the portrayal of Saddam 'murdering his own people' comes from the Kurds trying to secede. Using this as 'proof he is a murderous tyrant', or suggesting that mass murder in Iraq was commonplace, is like saying the Civil War demonstrates that America was also founded on the killing of their own people.

Don't forget that it was the military who started investigating allegations of some abuse at Abu Ghraib back in January 2004 - months before the liberal media had a month-long frenzy when they saw those pictures.

Yes, the US military managed to keep it secret for a while....why the 'frenzy'? Two reasons, firstly, 'If it bleeds, it leads'. Controversy sells, and selling 'sensationalism' is what American entertainment is all about.

Secondly, the US keeps on pretending to be 'the good guys', and it is hard to imagine John Wayne or The Lone Ranger sodomizing or murdering a prisoner.

Thanks again to the liberal MSM

The 'MSM' is so far right it is disgusting. I can't pick up a newspaper without reading op-eds with the words 'those idiot lefties', etc.

[Montgomery Burns]

Dear Montgomery Burns,

and the mass graves would be filling up again with innocents. You are strongly against the Iraq war.

If anyone appears to loathe the Iraqis, it is you.

Most of the portrayal of Saddam 'murdering his own people' comes from the Kurds trying to secede. Using this as 'proof he is a murderous tyrant', or suggesting that mass murder in Iraq was commonplace, is like saying the Civil War demonstrates that America was also founded on the killing of their own people.

Don't forget that it was the military who started investigating allegations of some abuse at Abu Ghraib back in January 2004 - months before the liberal media had a month-long frenzy when they saw those pictures.

Yes, the US military managed to keep it secret for a while....why the 'frenzy'? Two reasons, firstly, 'If it bleeds, it leads'. Controversy sells, and selling 'sensationalism' is what American entertainment is all about.

Secondly, the US keeps on pretending to be 'the good guys', and it is hard to imagine John Wayne or The Lone Ranger sodomizing or murdering a prisoner.

Thanks again to the liberal MSM

The 'MSM' is so far right it is disgusting. I can't pick up a newspaper without reading op-eds with the words 'those idiot lefties', etc.

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1) Words can't convey the disappointment I felt when I read your causal dismissal of Saddam murdering 1.5 million of his own Iraqi people.

2) Why are you upset that the military didn't run to the MSM media in January 2004 and show them those Abu Ghraib pics?

Because it wouldn't serve your propaganda purposes? The US military broke the Abu Ghriab "abuse" long before the MSM did.

3) You are completely off the mark when you claim that the MSM is biased to the right. Study after study has proven beyond a doubt that the MSM is biased to the left. Even the leftwing media "watchdogs" (MediaMatters, FAIR, etc) spend 90% of their time attacking one news source--the Fox News Channel.

Canada's state-run, taxpayer-funded Soviet-style CBC is a far leftwing news source. I was disgusted at the Passionate Eye episode that aired on CBC Newsworld last Saturday. Nothing but pure American and especially, Bush-bashing. It is an outrage that Canadian righties are forced to pay for this Pravda-type reporting.

[Guest eureka]

Saddam is being charged with responsibility for the deaths of 100,000. The American government is charged in moral circles with responsibility for the dearhs of 500,000 children under 5 let alone an unknown number of older and adults. The US even sgrees that the US enforced sanctions killed this number.

A little perspective might help. Add to that the number of Iraquis killed by the aggressive invasion by Americans and Britons and you have a number that makes Saddam look almost saintly by comparison.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Montgomery Burns,

Even the leftwing media "watchdogs" (MediaMatters, FAIR, etc) spend 90% of their time attacking one news source--the Fox News Channel.

Perhaps it is because the others are telling the truth...in a fair and balanced manner?

CBC is a far leftwing news source

Not so far, but left, I'll freely admit.

from... http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp.../154590/1/.html

ISTANBUL : The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI), a grouping of NGOs, intellectuals and writers opposed to the war in Iraq, on Friday accused the United States of causing more deaths in Iraq than ousted president Saddam Hussein.

"With two wars and 13 years of criminal sanctions, the United States have been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam Hussein," Larry Everest, a journalist, told hundreds of anti-war activists gathered in Istanbul

from the BBC,

However, prosecution lawyers also want to bring charges concerning the gassing of 5,000 people in the Kurdish village of Halabja in March 1988, and the suppression of a Shia revolt following the first Gulf War.

1) Words can't convey the disappointment I felt when I read your causal dismissal of Saddam murdering 1.5 million of his own Iraqi people.

This is a falsification of the facts, equal to blaming GW Bush for the deaths of the 3,000+ victims of 9/11. Further, some 620,000 died during the Civil War. Would you call this 'mass murder' as well?

Most of the 1.5 million deaths are from an 8 year war with Iran, a war in which the US was all too happy to sell arms to both sides.

[Army Guy]

Newbie:

Actually i think we both wrong.

The general meaning of the word "sodomy", or peccatum Sodomiticum (the sin of Sodom) is any form of sexual intercourse with a person of the same or opposite sex, except normal (penis-to-vagina) intercourse between man and woman. More often it is used to mean intercourse through the anal passage, especially between males.

At the risk of being politically correct, the action described falls well within the definition of rape:

rape: forced or manipulated nonconsensual sexual contact, including vaginal or anal intercourse, oral sex, or penetration with an object.

This act was not about sexual contact, it was about torture, causing pain, and humility. what catogory it falls into i do not know, perhaps just torture.

[Black Dog]

This act was not about sexual contact, it was about torture, causing pain, and humility. what catogory it falls into i do not know, perhaps just torture.

Rape isn't about sex either. Hence its use as a torture technique.

Journalist Who Filmed Burning Taliban Bodies Suggests Media Got it All Wrong

And promptly contradicts himself:

STEPHEN DUPONT: They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them.

So what was it, pal? "Honourable intentions" or act of provacation? It can't be both. If it was an act of provacation, then obviously they knew what they were doing would be offensive.