BHS Posted July 10, 2005 Report Posted July 10, 2005 Adrienne Clarkson, our head of state, managed to get a new pacemaker installed within days of the diagnosis of her heart condition. Does anyone know how long it normally takes for this sort of operation to be performed? Does this seem unusual to anyone else? Quote "And, representing the Slightly Silly Party, Mr. Kevin Phillips Bong." * * * "Er..no. Harper was elected because the people were sick of the other guys and wanted a change. Don't confuse electoral success (which came be attributed to a wide variety of factors) with broad support. That's the surest way to wind up on the sidelines." - Black Dog
kimmy Posted July 10, 2005 Report Posted July 10, 2005 Unusual? Of course not. Who would have imagined that Ottawa's elite are subject to the same rules as everybody else? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Riverwind Posted July 10, 2005 Report Posted July 10, 2005 It is easy to throw mud when you have no information. The waiting times for cardiac patients vary greatly depending on the patient's condition. People do not need to wait very long if their is a risk of immediate death. The people who get stuck on cardiac waiting lists ususally have problems like severe angina which can be stabilized with medication and are not likely to kill you soon. So the only way to know if Clarkson got favourable treatment would be to compare her exact medical condition with someone else with a similar condition. That said, it is possible, even likely, that she did get faster treatment - however no one but her doctors would know for sure. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Big Blue Machine Posted July 10, 2005 Report Posted July 10, 2005 Too bad she didn't get a new consciene too! Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
BHS Posted July 10, 2005 Author Report Posted July 10, 2005 It is easy to throw mud when you have no information. The waiting times for cardiac patients vary greatly depending on the patient's condition. People do not need to wait very long if their is a risk of immediate death. The people who get stuck on cardiac waiting lists ususally have problems like severe angina which can be stabilized with medication and are not likely to kill you soon.So the only way to know if Clarkson got favourable treatment would be to compare her exact medical condition with someone else with a similar condition. That said, it is possible, even likely, that she did get faster treatment - however no one but her doctors would know for sure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I understand all of that. The news reports that I read didn't suggest any immediate danger. I wonder if the GG's office will clarify her condition. It's not exactly great PR if she got a free pass to the front of the line, but they aren't saying she was in danger either. Quote "And, representing the Slightly Silly Party, Mr. Kevin Phillips Bong." * * * "Er..no. Harper was elected because the people were sick of the other guys and wanted a change. Don't confuse electoral success (which came be attributed to a wide variety of factors) with broad support. That's the surest way to wind up on the sidelines." - Black Dog
Riverwind Posted July 10, 2005 Report Posted July 10, 2005 I understand all of that. The news reports that I read didn't suggest any immediate danger. I wonder if the GG's office will clarify her condition. It's not exactly great PR if she got a free pass to the front of the line, but they aren't saying she was in danger either. I agree. Given her high profile position and sensitivity of the issue it would make sense for the GG to waive her normal right to privacy and clarify this issue. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
cybercoma Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 It is easy to throw mud when you have no information. The waiting times for cardiac patients vary greatly depending on the patient's condition. People do not need to wait very long if their is a risk of immediate death. The people who get stuck on cardiac waiting lists ususally have problems like severe angina which can be stabilized with medication and are not likely to kill you soon.So the only way to know if Clarkson got favourable treatment would be to compare her exact medical condition with someone else with a similar condition. That said, it is possible, even likely, that she did get faster treatment - however no one but her doctors would know for sure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does your back hurt from shovelling all that shit? Just wondering. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 Of course she got special treatment. My Opa last year went in for a double bypass and had his pacemaker replaced. He waited for about 2 months before the surgury could be done. 2 MONTHS. If she had waited that long for the surgury then I would not complain, but I bet the diagnosis was one week, the operation the next. They do get special treatment. No doubt about it. Quote
kimmy Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 A relative of mine was involved in a car accident which caused the lead wire from her pacemaker to be dislodged and move down into her heart, to a position where it was not only not functioning properly, but also danger of damaging one of the valves. The situation was considered quite dangerous, and she was given priority treatment... but it wasn't next-day... -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
THELIBERAL Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 I find it very distastful to say the least when people will stoop to using a persons medical situation for nothing but political gain! I guess some people think we should have let her die! God this type of thinking upsets me! Quote
THELIBERAL Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 RE::Adrienne Clarkson, our head of state, managed to get a new pacemaker installed within days of the diagnosis of her heart condition. Does anyone know how long it normally takes for this sort of operation to be performed? Does this seem unusual to anyone else? Here are some posts from another forum about the same topic! Do you think these people got special treatment also? margrace Member posted 09-07-2005 20:56 A good friend of ours went to the hospital with heart pains, he was operated on in another city the next morning, triple heart bypass. henry j. Member posted 09-07-2005 19:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wifes brother wasn't feeling good went to the hospital was told he had to have a double by-pass. He was taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital that did open heart surgery. Spent a week in the hospital on a heart monitor and the next week he was operated on. He's doing fine now! nussy Member posted 09-07-2005 05:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not a high ranking official. I had chest pains and went to the emergency department in the North York Genreal Hospital in Toronto. Had test done including a cat scan the same day. The next day I had an angiograme done. And then after the weekend I had angioplasty done. She is not getting any special treatment. One of my friends got both a pacemaker and a defribulater intalled very fast after his diagnosis. Lets give credit where credit is due. I am talking for my local situation. HELLO!!! Quote
BHS Posted July 11, 2005 Author Report Posted July 11, 2005 I find it very distastful to say the least when people will stoop to using a persons medical situation for nothing but political gain! I guess some people think we should have let her die! God this type of thinking upsets me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think anyone was suggesting that we let her die. The question being discussed is whether she was allowed to jump queue because of her position in government, when the need was not pressing. This is a very important, moral question. The entire justification for a publicly funded health care system is it's "moral" element. If the people who, by law, have created a dearth of vital services for the general public, are allowed to place themselves at the front of the line "just because", then what does that say about the morality of the system? Quote "And, representing the Slightly Silly Party, Mr. Kevin Phillips Bong." * * * "Er..no. Harper was elected because the people were sick of the other guys and wanted a change. Don't confuse electoral success (which came be attributed to a wide variety of factors) with broad support. That's the surest way to wind up on the sidelines." - Black Dog
Argus Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 I find it very distastful to say the least when people will stoop to using a persons medical situation for nothing but political gain! I guess some people think we should have let her die! God this type of thinking upsets me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think this is an interesting post by THELIBERAL. I believe from the tone that he's almost cocky about Clarkson being bumped to the head of the line and getting special treatment. I think it demonstrates what I've long said about Martin and company. They really don't give a damn about public health care except as a political tool. I think the poster above is echoing that sentiment. The same people who will decry any hint of "two tier" health care almost chortle in smug satisfaction at evidence that high up Liberals consistently get special treatment. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Riverwind Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 I think the poster above is echoing that sentiment. The same people who will decry any hint of "two tier" health care almost chortle in smug satisfaction at evidence that high up Liberals consistently get special treatment.Argus, how many times have you complained about people taking comments made by individual conservatives and extrapolating them to suggest that the party leadership must feel the same way. Furthermore, THELIBERAL wasn't the only liberal supporter to respond. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
PocketRocket Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 Does anyone know how long it normally takes for this sort of operation to be performed? In my Godfather's case, it was six days from diagnosis to surgery. That was about 2 years ago. Does your back hurt from shovelling all that shit? Just wondering. This is a contribution to the subject at hand??? Perhaps I'm missing something. If so, please educate me. Quote I need another coffee
newbie Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 Talk about speculation. Every medical procedure in every Province is assessed individually. I got immediate attention when it was thought I had a brain tumour. It turned out to be optic neuritis. But I had seen 3 specialists in 3 days and had a cat scan to boot. I still believe the urgency of the situation determines the time factor for treatment. I also agree with THELIBERAL re using health issues for political purposes. It is distasteful IMO. Quote
crazymf Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 This is non-news. Good for her. NEXT!!!!! Quote The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name. Don't be humble - you're not that great. Golda Meir
I Miss Trudeau Posted July 11, 2005 Report Posted July 11, 2005 Does your back hurt from shovelling all that shit? Just wondering. You just have to love this. The people who are arriving at conclusions on this matter with no evidence at all accuse the people that point out that fact of shoveling dung? Priceless. Cybercoma, you may not be shoveling dung, but you're throwing a lot of mud. Quote Feminism.. the new face of female oppression!
BHS Posted July 11, 2005 Author Report Posted July 11, 2005 Thread update: Reviewing the posts so far on this thread, it seems unlikely that Clarkson's operation was pushed to the top of the queue because her political stature. Some people have posted nightmare stories, but others have posted stories consistent with the turnaround time Her Grace experienced. UPDATE: A number of posters have stated a certain disgust at the concept of discussing health care turnaround times, as if it weren't a political topic in a country where health care is controlled and meted out by the government. Not surprisingly, these posters also appear to be Liberal or NDP party supporters. Quote "And, representing the Slightly Silly Party, Mr. Kevin Phillips Bong." * * * "Er..no. Harper was elected because the people were sick of the other guys and wanted a change. Don't confuse electoral success (which came be attributed to a wide variety of factors) with broad support. That's the surest way to wind up on the sidelines." - Black Dog
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