Pateris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 How is it that AUSTRALIA's rapid response TEAMS are already in the most remote parts of Indonesia making 20,000 litres per hour of fresh water and Canada's is still sitting on the tarmac in Trenton? Seems to me that one small country is CLEARLY outperforming us... Quote
Stoker Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 How is it that AUSTRALIA's rapid response TEAMS are already in the most remote parts of Indonesia making 20,000 litres per hour of fresh water and Canada's is still sitting on the tarmac in Trenton?Seems to me that one small country is CLEARLY outperforming us... Probably a combination of two reasons, the RAAF having a vastly superior airlift capablity then our airforce and geography. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Pateris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Stoker, Probably a combination of two reasons, the RAAF having a vastly superior airlift capablity then our airforce and geography. Geography should give them a day on us... I would say that the lack of political will in this country to properly fund our military is the primary reason they will have beat us there by a week and be their in far greater numbers.... Quote
Stoker Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Geography should give them a day on us... I don't know........how many flights can be made with a single Hercules aircraft from Northern Australia, compared to from Canada in a 24 hr period to Indonesia? I would say that the lack of political will in this country to properly fund our military is the primary reason they will have beat us there by a week and be their in far greater numbers.... Sure, you're preaching to the converted though......I agree, I also think the lack of political will to send any amount of aid in the beganing also played a part. But in fairness to the Liberal government, I don't know that the Australians would have "beat us" had the diaster been in our backyard........ Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
caesar Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Seems to me that one small country is CLEARLY outperforming us Take a look at a world map. Australia is not a small country. Quote
PocketRocket Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 Back to the core question, ie; Why DART wasn't already dispatched. To those who speculated that they did not have transportation, you get a gold star in your notebook. According to CBC radio news last night, DART is on it's way, in a couple air-freighters leased from Russia. Quote I need another coffee
Common Sense Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 We do not send them until they are requested. Things do need to be organized; everyone cannot rush in willy nilly. You anti Canadians should just pack up and leave. This really doesn't seem to be their expertise anyhow, no one to rescue or dig out; simply bodies to recover and bury and food delivered to the inhabitants and water. Canada is sending money and have offered the use of the team. Yes, we do wait until we are requested after we make the offer. I was in the Emergency Planning part of the Federal Government for years and watched as the Fiberals literally destroyed our military's capability to respond to crises anywhere in the world. The socialist nut cases that exist in Canada including the Fiberals do not want a Canadian Military presence anywhere except for political reasons. Now we are renting hopefully safe aircraft from the Russians to transport our DART Team supplies and equipment because we can't do that ourselves. Disgusting !! Now we already know that the Fiberals are liars, cheats, incompetent and corrupt as hell. Their decision making ability to respond to this huge disaster is a joke. Not only that but all of this money that is being collected or alledgedly committed to provide aid is managed by? I betcha that most of the contracts to purchase food supplies medicines and so on will be allocated to the friends of the Fiberals and NOT to responsible and capable Canadian Firms. If you think I am kidding believe me I am not. I have seen this kind of thing many times when I worked in the Public Service which has since gone down the toilet because of a lack of the merit principal. If you speak French and are corrupt you are in. If not, Bye Bye! This government is an embarrassment to Canadians. Quote
Pateris Posted January 4, 2005 Report Posted January 4, 2005 caesar, Take a look at a world map. Australia is not a small country. Physical size is irrelevant in this discussion. Australia has less than 70% of Canada's population... and has a far bigger military than we do... You are clearly an idiot. Quote
Argus Posted January 5, 2005 Report Posted January 5, 2005 Take a look at a world map. Australia is not a small country. Physical size is irrelevant in this discussion. Australia has less than 70% of Canada's population... and has a far bigger military than we do... I think geography plays a bigger part in Australia's efforts and speed. Indonesia is probably not much further away from Australia than New Brunswick is from Ontario. Of course it's not hard for them to fly over there in a bunch of Hercules aircraft. It is true, however, that Australia's armed forces are bigger and better and more modern than Canada's. It is also true our military budget is bigger than theirs. Ponder that, if you will. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Pateris Posted January 5, 2005 Report Posted January 5, 2005 Argus, The latest data I have (2003 - CIA factbook) shows Canada spent US$9.8 billion and Australia spent US$14.1 Billion. Australia: There are 51 791 permanent full-time military personnel in the ADF. There are 21 588 reserve military personnel in the ADF. The Royal Australian Air Force has 276 aircraft in service. The Royal Australian Navy has a fleet of 56 ships. Canada There are 60 000 permanent full-time military personnel in the CF. There are 25 000 reserve military personnel in the CF. The Canadian Forces have 347 aircraft in service including 141 helicopters The Canadian Forces has a fleet of 34 ships Also note that Australia has more modern ships and aircraft, and is working with the US on development of the JSF and other future military technologies. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 5, 2005 Report Posted January 5, 2005 Why be so cynical about Canada's aid? It is not enough, but, proportionately, it will be far greater than either the US or Europe. More is needed but it is the world that must respond. Canada is being reasonably generous, but no one is ever as generous as the Americans. Their aid will be far, far higher. The money announced is mostly symbolic. Real aid will come from American Air Force cargo planes and the US Navy, and neither will be costed out. Land of the penny-pinchers So, is the U.S. "stingy" about helping poor countries?That accusation by a U.N. official, in veiled form, provoked indignation here. After all, we're the most generous people on earth ... aren't we? No, alas, we're not. And the tsunami illustrates the problem: When grieving victims intrude onto our TV screens, we dig into our pockets and provide the massive, heartwarming response that we're now displaying in Asia; the rest of the time, we're tightwads who turn away as people die in far greater numbers. ... Americans give 15 cents per day per person in official development assistance to poor countries. The average American spends four times that on soft drinks daily. In 2003, the latest year for which figures are available, we increased such assistance by one-fifth, for President Bush has actually been much better about helping poor countries than President Clinton was. But as a share of our economy, our contribution still left us ranked dead last among 22 top donor countries. We gave 15 cents for every $100 of national income to poor countries. Denmark gave 84 cents, the Netherlands gave 80 cents, Belgium gave 60 cents, France gave 41 cents, and Greece gave 21 cents (that was the lowest share, beside our own). It is sometimes said that Americans make up for low official aid with private charitable donations. Nope. By OECD calculations, private donations add 6 cents a day to the official U.S. figure - meaning that we still give only 21 cents a day per person. Quote
Argus Posted January 6, 2005 Report Posted January 6, 2005 The latest data I have (2003 - CIA factbook) shows Canada spent US$9.8 billion and Australia spent US$14.1 Billion.Well, I guess I was wrong. Though it certainly wasn't that way a few years back. Canada, however, has been steadily cutting back on its military while Australia has been increasing its. Australia has apparently decided to double its military budget over the next several years.The two forces aren't really comparable, though. Most of our equipment is rotting and rusting away. We have, as has been pointed out, no ability to move anywhere, while the Australians have C-130 aircraft and a number of landing craft. They are replacing their tanks with new Abrams while we have no plans to replace the Leopard. They have blackhawk helicopters while we have the old griffons (civilian helicopters painted green). In the quote below it says our navy has 54 ships. I'd really like to know what they are. As far as I know we have 12 frigates - often tied up at port for lack of manpower - 1 supply ship, 4 non working submarines, and that's pretty much it. I believe we bought a half dozen small minesweeping/coastal defence craft they gave to the reserves to practice on, but I have no idea how, even if you include these, they get up to 54 ships. It says the air force has over 200 aircraft not including helicopters. Well, I think we have about 4 dozen old CF-18s that aren't mothballed, and three dozen ancient hercules transports. There are perhaps a dozen (half of them working) Aurora coastal patrol planes, a couple of 727s and the tutor jet trainers the Snowbirds use. I suppose we have some of the bombardier planes for flying big shots around too. I presume they are counting everything in mothballs, even the crap that doesn't work and is merely being canibalized. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kimmy Posted January 10, 2005 Report Posted January 10, 2005 I'd been under the mistaken impression that the R in DART stood for "Rapid"; luckily it appears this is not the case. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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