"US is forcing us to be suicide bombers"

[Altai]

Two ISIS suicide bombers who is caught buy Turkish security forces claims that their families are taken hostage by US and they are forced to carry out suicide bomb attacks in other countries. They said that thousands of ISIS members have made such agreements with US to be freed. Details are written in the link below.

http://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/cia-evacuated-daesh-terrorists-from-syria-on-condition-to-conduct-suicide-attacks-2798360


What do you think about it and about "the country of peace" ? 

Edited November 15, 2017 by Altai

[JamesHackerMP]

I'll tell you what I think. But first Altai, answer me: why do you so readily believe them? You don't believe the american government, so why would you believe ISIS, either?

[JamesHackerMP]

Still no reply? By the way, every country likes to think of itself as a country of peace. But it's bullshit: international relations/diplomacy/war, it's all a survival contest. People get killed.

[Altai]

On 10.02.2018 at 9:58 PM, JamesHackerMP said:

Still no reply? By the way, every country likes to think of itself as a country of peace. But it's bullshit: international relations/diplomacy/war, it's all a survival contest. People get killed.

Because you guys generally are not worth to reply. You are liars and hypocrites in general. Its proven many times in different topics. 

[JamesHackerMP]

Oh....sorry to hear that. We might disagree with each other frequently, but I've never considered you "not worth" a reply, or a "liar and a hypocrite".

[GostHacked]

On 2/16/2018 at 11:11 AM, Altai said:

Because you guys generally are not worth to reply. You are liars and hypocrites in general. Its proven many times in different topics. 

Maybe another forum would be better for you then.

[marcus]

On 11/15/2017 at 3:37 AM, JamesHackerMP said:

I'll tell you what I think. But first Altai, answer me: why do you so readily believe them? You don't believe the american government, so why would you believe ISIS, either?

I take Altai as seriously as people like Rue and jbg, who will go to any length to push their agenda. Never admitting to the mistakes of their tribe. So I understand where you're coming from.

I would recommend you read this article from the BBC (not known for being anti-Western or into conspiracy theories), about IS fighters who were taken safely from one area and spread around Syria, Iraq and possibly in Turkey. It's a head scratcher. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret

 

[Altai]

On 12.03.2018 at 3:08 AM, JamesHackerMP said:

Oh....sorry to hear that. We might disagree with each other frequently, but I've never considered you "not worth" a reply, or a "liar and a hypocrite".

This is the truth. Like it or not. People cant be disagree as long as they have the same informations. If they have the same information and still there are problems, its because of at least one of the sides rejects to recognize information and logical conclusions based on information because its against their personal interests. You guys and I think many people on the World, maybe sometimes me, behave such. At least I am aware of it and I am trying my best to avoid behave such. Such people are not worth to talk, we talk people and share informations with each other to solve problems. You cant solve any problem with obsessed-hypocrite-liar people. There is no point to talk to them.

[JamesHackerMP]

I have to respectfully disagree with your third sentence: people can still disagree even with the same information. Not all information is 100% certain, and it's human nature to disagree even when you look at the same thing. For example, we can look at the same picture but describe it differently; it may mean different things to each of us.

If I am incorrect about what I just said, how come there are so many different religions on Earth? Or so many different forms of government? Or--within a particular government--so many parties and factions? Are they ALL hypocrites? You see; it's not that black-and-white!

Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a liar, or a hypocrite. All of us would like to BELIEVE that we're telling only the truth, therefore anyone who disagrees with us must be lying. But that belief doesn't allow for the fact that human beings can be wrong, and that humans--finite beings--cannot see all ends.

I'm very sorry you think I'm a liar or a hypocrite for disagreeing with you, and therefore worthless to talk to. I may have my faults, but you have your own faults. Are you perfect? Is any human being perfect? Mostly, I am sorry that you don't think I am worth talking to because we have disagreements. I'd like to think that even with that disagreement, we can find some common ground somewhere.

[Altai]

1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said:

I have to respectfully disagree with your third sentence: people can still disagree even with the same information. Not all information is 100% certain, and it's human nature to disagree even when you look at the same thing. For example, we can look at the same picture but describe it differently; it may mean different things to each of us.

We call it as "information" when it is something proven. When its not certain %100, its not an information but a possiblity and anything is possible in life. There is no need possiblities to be considered as long as they are not "strong" possiblities. If you look at a pic and describe it different, you need to share your causes of your descriptions, so you need to tell people what information your descriptions depends on. When you do that, other people will start to see the same things with you.

 If I am incorrect about what I just said, how come there are so many different religions on Earth? Or so many different forms of government? Or--within a particular government--so many parties and factions? Are they ALL hypocrites? You see; it's not that black-and-white!

Most of the religion and their rules are just imaginal things, created by people in their imagine World. So their content in general are not  backed up by informations. There are many political parties because all of them contradicts with each other on some points. Because politicians and people rejects information when it does not fit with their personal ego.

 Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a liar, or a hypocrite. All of us would like to BELIEVE that we're telling only the truth, therefore anyone who disagrees with us must be lying. But that belief doesn't allow for the fact that human beings can be wrong, and that humans--finite beings--cannot see all ends.

If they are disagreeing with someone by rejecting information, yes this make them hypocrite and liar and some other vile adjectives. This is the point as you admit, you are creating your path based on your personal believes, not based on information. 

 I'm very sorry you think I'm a liar or a hypocrite for disagreeing with you, and therefore worthless to talk to. I may have my faults, but you have your own faults. Are you perfect? Is any human being perfect? Mostly, I am sorry that you don't think I am worth talking to because we have disagreements. I'd like to think that even with that disagreement, we can find some common ground somewhere.

Yes most of the time when you and me had a communication, you were acting hypocrite, I hope you give it up and start to be a honest person. None is perfect and ofcourse I have mistakes in my life as any other person but most of the time I am aware of my mistakes and trying to be much more mature person with each passing day. I am trying not to perform same mistakes. For example currently I may be a bit brutal while talking to you about your mistakes and what I am doing is a mistake, I am aware of it but I simply dont care.

[JamesHackerMP]

It's part of adulthood to disagree with other people even when they have provided you with the same information.

Edited March 16, 2018 by JamesHackerMP

[Centerpiece]

On 3/14/2018 at 5:26 AM, Altai said:

This is the truth. Like it or not. People cant be disagree as long as they have the same informations. If they have the same information and still there are problems, its because of at least one of the sides rejects to recognize information and logical conclusions based on information because its against their personal interests. You guys and I think many people on the World, maybe sometimes me, behave such. At least I am aware of it and I am trying my best to avoid behave such. Such people are not worth to talk, we talk people and share informations with each other to solve problems. You cant solve any problem with obsessed-hypocrite-liar people. There is no point to talk to them.

If we followed your definition - we'd all be robots - programmed to act exactly the same way under any condition. My friend, you have a lot to learn about human nature. Take the age old battle against poverty. Fact (information) - some people are poor. How do you help them? There are many people with many different opinions about why they are poor - and what to do about it. Perhaps you've heard the word "love". It can make you feel crazy - and sometimes do crazy things. Same girl, same guy that everyone else sees but it's different for them - they are in love - illogical love. Same information - different ideas. Human nature - emotion - creativity - survival. A final point - most people on this board have learned to get their information from multiple sources - and come to our own conclusion on how accurate stories are. In other words - don't immediately believe everything you read - or hear. Don't be a robot.