Argus Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/27/2016 at 1:19 PM, Michael Hardner said: Argus, what would you do ? Limit someone's right to sue ? The cure could be worse than the disease. Yes, I would absolutely limit their right to sue, and make them pay for it themselves, as well as all court costs. Why should we pay this woman's legal fees? Why should we let her use the court's time for her frivolous lawsuits? Make her pay them all, and if she can't, then jail her. We jail people who won't pay their traffic fines, so why not her? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/27/2016 at 1:20 PM, Michael Hardner said: Also how much of a problem are outliers like this person ? Surely the system had people like this when it was healthier. I don't know how much people like this cost, but I've seen studies with regard to medical care which shows a very large percentage of costs is associated with a relatively small number of hypochondriacs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) On 11/27/2016 at 8:22 PM, dre said: The system has never been healthier. Complete and utter drivel. I can only assume you have some bureaucratic position within or associated with the legal system you are defending. Anyone who dismisses all the cites which have been posted with claims the system has never been better isn't being honest. Did it used to take three years just to start a trial? Edited November 29, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Why do you think that when it takes years for cases to be processed ? Poor organization, poor use of resources, poor judgement from those within the system, from police to crowns in terms of when and why to lay charges, to how judges spend their time, to the ridiculous complexity of even the simplest of cases. The system is in the hands of people who worship the process over results. In fact, results aren't even considered to be of interest. As long as all the forms are properly filled out and the process is undertaken as to the absolute rigid intricacies of every aspect of the rules, then all is good. Edited November 29, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted November 29, 2016 Report Posted November 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Argus said: Complete and utter drivel. I can only assume you have some bureaucratic position within or associated with the legal system you are defending. Anyone who dismisses all the cites which have been posted with claims the system has never been better isn't being honest. Did it used to take three years just to start a trial? The system isn't measured by the odd anomalous outcome. There's hundreds of thousands of cases completed each year... OF COURSE you're going to be able to find a handful of problematic or even ridiculous outcomes. The performance of the criminal justice system its measured against crime rates. Its purpose is to make people safe from crime, and we are the safest we ever have been. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted November 29, 2016 Report Posted November 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, dre said: The system isn't measured by the odd anomalous outcome. There's hundreds of thousands of cases completed each year... OF COURSE you're going to be able to find a handful of problematic or even ridiculous outcomes. The performance of the criminal justice system its measured against crime rates. Its purpose is to make people safe from crime, and we are the safest we ever have been. We are the safest we have ever been in many ways. Cars are safer than ever. Death rates due to disease are lower than ever. Etc etc. As society becomes more advanced, the expectations of safety get ever higher. Crime rates may be lower than ever but they are not yet zero, and until they are we should keep working to reduce them. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 29, 2016 Report Posted November 29, 2016 7 hours ago, dre said: The system isn't measured by the odd anomalous outcome. There's hundreds of thousands of cases completed each year... OF COURSE you're going to be able to find a handful of problematic or even ridiculous outcomes. The performance of the criminal justice system its measured against crime rates. Its purpose is to make people safe from crime, and we are the safest we ever have been. Yes but the system isn't necessarily to thank for lowering rates. Processing times and costs need to be examined and managed. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted November 29, 2016 Author Report Posted November 29, 2016 12 hours ago, dre said: The system isn't measured by the odd anomalous outcome. The odd anomalous outcome? Why do you suppose the Supreme court has found it necessary to impose a deadline beyond which stretching out the delays to a trial will be considered unconstitutional? Nor is this the first time the courts have had to make such statements. Legal analysts say Canadians can expect more accused murderers and others facing serious charges to walk free because their trials have been delayed beyond what the Supreme Court ruled last year is reasonable. More than 150 defendants have requested a stay of proceedings in Quebec alone since last July’s Supreme Court decision, according to Parti Quebecois justice critic Veronique Hivon. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/more-accused-murderers-could-walk-free-if-trial-delays-continue-critics-1.3180739 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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