dre Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Where did I support the deal? I base my opinion on evidence. I will read about the deal and make a judgement. You read some authors' opinions about what might be in the deal and came to a conclusion. No I'm a little way more than half way through reading the deal myself and I have read dozens of articles about it. Its a fair point to mention that you didnt say you supported the deal... I guess that was an assumption. I hope you DO read the deal and make your own judgement, but the problem is almost nobody will, and not one single politician will read it either before they pass it. Quote You didn't answer my question about being a "truther".... Nope. Barack Obama was born in the US, aliens never landed in Roswell, and the US really did land on the moon. The claims I'm making are not conspiracy theory. I showed evidence that these deals are written not by politicians but by corporate lobbyists and active senior executives. I showed you evidence of various parts of these deals that are contrary to the public interest. Not only are these things not "conspiracy theories" but it would be impossible to not know about them if you are even vaguely paying attention. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TimG said: Often "buy local" policies have nothing to do with democratic will and everything to with local corporate cronies buying off politicians. In any case, there is really no point in signing a trade deal if governments can change their minds and simply outlaw the purchase of imports instead of taxing them. Pay attention. It has nothing to do with the government "outlawing" the purchase of imports. It has to do with the government DECIDING on where to procure stuff. Foreign companies and multi-nationals would still be free to shop their products and services in the open market, but governments spending tax payer dollars should be free to choose who they buy stuff from. Panels staffed with lobbyists and corporate executives should not make laws for Canadians that supersede our own. Edited October 30, 2016 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 2 hours ago, dre said: Sure... Here's a few. That is not evidence. It is fearmongering by a bunch of far left wack jobs. Europe isn't going to ban local buying since they're the king of it. They aren't going to be demanding to bid on small contracts, and the bigger ones are already open to any international bidder per our existing international trade agreements. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 2 hours ago, dre said: There's a ton of ways for this to happen. One is the revolving door lobby where politicians are promised high paying jobs after they leave office... Often as lobbyists. There just aren't that many lobbyist jobs in Canada, and most politicians, when they leave office, tend to go back to the same jobs they used to hold, other than for the PM. I'm aware things are different in the US, but this is not the US. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, Argus said: I'm aware things are different in the US, but this is not the US. True.....even some of Canada's party leaders go back to the U.S. (Michael Ignatieff). There are probably more Canadian lobbyists in Washington D.C. than in all of Canada, trade deals or not. It is a constant. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted October 30, 2016 Report Posted October 30, 2016 14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: True.....even some of Canada's party leaders go back to the U.S. (Michael Ignatieff). There are probably more Canadian lobbyists in Washington D.C. than in all of Canada, trade deals or not. It is a constant. Yes, you are a far more corrupt country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Choosing Trudeau over Trump "Whilst globally the tendency is to turn in on oneself, the EU and Canada are leading the way towards a world trading system that is open for business without compromising our values or way of life," the release said. "When it comes to trade, we're choosing Trudeau over Trump." http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ceta-brussels-trade-committee-vote-1.3949522 Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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