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1 hour ago, kimmy said:

And the first thing Hillary needs to do on November 9 is talk to the disenchanted millennials that supported Bernie and the angry rust-belt workers who supported Trump, and articulate how she's going to do a better job of sharing the "net benefits" than her predecessors.

 -k

If you listen to the commentary about what the media gets wrong about Trump supporters that I posted you might have reason to reconsider assumptions about rust belt workers being Trump supporters.

[cybercoma]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Said he was a bad actor...acting like he was the president.

Trump can't even act like a president.

[Argus]

13 hours ago, kimmy said:

People talk about the economy in aggregate terms. People throw around ideas like "net benefit" and "creative destruction" to describe the overall benefit that supposedly comes from trade agreements and globalization. "Sure, jobs will be lost in some sectors, but jobs will be created in others!" "Sure, there will be losers, but there will also be winners!"  "Overall, the economy will receive a net benefit." Which is well and good, except for the people on the losing side of the ledger.  Until policy-makers find a better way of sharing the "net benefits" with the people who are on the receiving end of the "creative destruction", the anger and resentment isn't going to go away.

That's absolutely true, and why the people in charge need to provide job retraining to those who are the victims of economic dislocation caused by 'creative destruction' or trade agreements. And this is where we have largely failed. Economists talk grandly about workers moving to different industries as if it's possible for someone who loses their job in a factory to simply change jobs and become a computer programmer. I think a lot of economists have their minds stuck in theories developed during the industrial revolution, where it was fairly easy for workers to move from a factory making widgets to one making something else. Well it ISN'T easy any more.

And it's going to get worse as the advance in automation picks up speed in the coming decades. Because it's going to be lower skilled workers who get hammered as automation takes over, as high-speed payment systems mean far fewer cashiers, and robots start making coffee so we don't need all those baristas, as self-driving vehicles push all the truck, taxi, bus drivers and backhoe operators out of the job market. All that is coming in the next 4-20 years. We need a robust job retraining system, or there's going to be a lot more bitterness and anger, and a lot more people turning to demagogues who offer up easy solutions.

 

[The_Squid]

39 minutes ago, Argus said:

We need a robust job retraining system, or there's going to be a lot more bitterness and anger, and a lot more people turning to demagogues who offer up easy solutions.

I agree with this.  However, many "right-wing" conservative types would tell you that this is socialism and/or social engineering and that taxes (and gov't services) need to be less, not more.

[Argus]

23 hours ago, The_Squid said:

I agree with this.  However, many "right-wing" conservative types would tell you that this is socialism and/or social engineering and that taxes (and gov't services) need to be less, not more.

What 'right wing' conservatives? Don't compare most of what call themselves conservative in the US for actual conservatives. Trump is not any kind of a conservative, and neither are the Tea Party types.

[The_Squid]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

What 'right wing' conservatives? Don't compare most of what call themselves conservative in the US for actual conservatives. Trump is not any kind of a conservative, and neither are the Tea Party types.

Yes, the non-conservative Republican tea party Trump people...  But also:

Libertarians would be opposed to this.

Small gov't conservatives would be opposed to this.

 

House Republicans however, are opting to cut these key programs. In April, they passed a budget that slashed nationwide job training programs. Their budgetary actions are at odds with the Republican promise to bring down the unemployment rate.

The Workforce Investment Act of 1998 was passed with bipartisan support, but in one swift partisan move Republicans would do away with federal grants to states to operate more than 3,000 job centers nationwide, which served more than 8 million people in 2010.

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2011/07/right-wings-job-training-cuts-shuts-doors-to-millions-of-jobs-870972.html

Your job training idea is a progressive program, not generally supported by Republicans and other conservatives in the USA (which is where we are talking about).

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21 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

 

Yes, the non-conservative Republican tea party Trump people...  But also:

Libertarians would be opposed to this.

Small gov't conservatives would be opposed to this.

 

 

Argus is no conservative he's merely a right-winger.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Yes, the non-conservative Republican tea party Trump people...  But also:

Libertarians would be opposed to this.

Small gov't conservatives would be opposed to this.

Maybe if they don't think things through. Small government is something I can relate to. Government should only do what needs to be done and that only government can or will do properly. I'm all for that. Education is one of those things government needs to do. And education needn't stop at high school. In this day and age with people working into their sixties it makes no sense whatsoever to leave millions of people high and dry, sucking on the tax base rather than producing taxes. If you're a business and you have a pile of employees who don't know enough to be useful at anything you fire those employees. But we can't fire citizens who aren't good for anything. The only sensible alternative, then, is to retrain them, wherever and whenever possible, so they're useful to the country.  To do otherwise is grossly inefficient and a huge waste of money and resources.

A proper conservative doesn't do things which are a huge waste of money and resources.

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House Republicans however, are opting to cut these key programs. In April, they passed a budget that slashed nationwide job training programs. Their budgetary actions are at odds with the Republican promise to bring down the unemployment rate.

There are some proper conservatives in the Republican party, but they're not in charge, and haven't been for years. A real conservative who tried to vote properly on issues like this would quickly find himself challenged in a primary by a well-financed Tea party lunatic who would call him a traitor for siding with the Kenyan Muslim against America. That's why that party stopped being conservative some time ago.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Argus

[Dangerrus]

Arctic Restaurant, the Trump Brothel 

Bloomberg, Arctic restaurant

Message to Americans.  There is no escape.  Canada loses its sovereignty once America has the three walls of Atlantic, Pacific and Trumps Mexican border plan.  They will not tolerate a liberal immigration policy.  We would be next.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Dangerrus
forgot link to validating bloomberg article