Goddess Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Altai said: This is the problem, Western Muslim countries dont want peace as you mentioned. Just the opposite they want to stay strong by terrorizing other countries. There are millions of examples for it. Western Muslim countries dont want peace in the World, they first want to complately destroy rest of the World. Secondly they want to destroy each other until a single Western Muslim ideology lefts alive. Fixed it for you. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Altai Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Posted October 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Fixed it for you. If this was true, today you would speak Arabic and Turkish or you would not even be alive. Muslim countries have ruled non-Muslim countries for really really long times. Western countries have colonized and still colonizing other countries in the World and many of these countries lost their native language, they talk English, France, Spanish, Russian despite its not their own language. I think this is enough to refute your false claim. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Goddess Posted October 18, 2016 Report Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) Quote If this was true, today you would speak Arabic and Turkish or you would not even be alive. Well, a big ol' Thank You for allowing me to continue to live. Quote This is the problem, Western Muslim countries dont want peace as you mentioned. Just the opposite they want to stay strong by terrorizing other countries. There are millions of examples for it. Western Muslim countries dont want peace in the World, they first want to complately destroy rest of the World. Secondly they want to destroy each other until a singleWestern Muslim ideology lefts alive. Which parts of this are not true? Quote I think this is enough to refute your false claim. You thought wrong..... I wonder if you realize that every time you tell us that "if Muslims were ruling the world we would all be dead" you are confirming what many already believe and fear. Edited October 18, 2016 by Goddess Forgot something..... Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Altai Posted October 20, 2016 Author Report Posted October 20, 2016 US-Europe-Russia-China-South America-Canada-Iran-Israel backed terror organization PYD shots 4 mortars in an empty area at Turkish town near Syria border. Turkish howitzers destroyed the area where fire was opened. Turkish Airforces held an operation, destroyed 18 targets including headquarters, shelters, ammunition depots and five vehicles, kills totally 160-200 PYD members.http://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/pydpkkya-hava-harekati-18-hedef-vuruldu-160-200-terorist-etkisiz-2550572 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted October 23, 2016 Author Report Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Turkish presidential spokesman; "We have very serious doubts that US is really figthing ISIS." http://www.takvim.com.tr/guncel/2016/10/23/kalin-abdden-cok-ciddi-suphemiz-var Edited October 23, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Posted October 25, 2016 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted October 25, 2016 Report Posted October 25, 2016 Pan-Turk-ism dreams mimicking again with the only difference that this time they have their eye on oil rich "mostly Kurdish populated" Mosul to wet their appetites...How disingenuous! Quote
Altai Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, kactus said: Pan-Turk-ism dreams mimicking again with the only difference that this time they have their eye on oil rich "mostly Kurdish populated" Mosul to wet their appetites...How disingenuous! We are Muslim Turks, PanTurkism is a quite opposite ideology to us. Its the ideology of Western backed Kemalists which had ruled Turkiye as Western puppets for 80 years after Ottoman State. You are the last person in the World could call us disingenuous. Leave ME or we will kick you out in a humiliating manner. Edited October 25, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted October 25, 2016 Report Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) Regardless, claiming another country (northern Iraq as part of Turkey) on the map resonates with expansionist dreams... Edited October 25, 2016 by kactus Quote
Altai Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: Regardless, claiming another country (northern Iraq as part of Turkey) on the map resonates with expansionist dreams... Which you call as "another country" is Ottoman Lands and today we legally have right to interfere in these lands based on international agreements. 90% of the people who live in these areas also want to be a part of Turkiye, we are going to make a public vote to made these areas a part of our territories. If today we would not interfere in this area, US was planning to create another sectarian war by steering psychopath Shia groups into Sunni civilian areas under the pretext of figthing ISIS. US gave up after we said that if they do such a thing, we are going to destroy all the groups they support. We still dont think that US completely gave up and probably we will have to interfere in this area by our armed forces. Edited October 25, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Ash74 Posted October 25, 2016 Report Posted October 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Altai said: Which you call as "another country" is Ottoman Lands and today we legally have right to interfere in these lands based on international agreements. 90% of the people who live in these areas also want to be a part of Turkiye, we are going to make a public vote to made these areas a part of our territories. If today we would not interfere in this area, US was planning to create another sectarian war by steering psychopath Shia groups into Sunni civilian areas under the pretext of figthing ISIS. US gave up after we said that if they do such a thing, we are going to destroy all the groups they support. We still dont think that US completely gave up and probably we will have to interfere in this area by our armed forces. Are we talking about Turkey or North Korea? Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
kactus Posted October 25, 2016 Report Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Altai said: Which you call as "another country" is Ottoman Lands and today we legally have right to interfere in these lands based on international agreements. 90% of the people who live in these areas also want to be a part of Turkiye, we are going to make a public vote to made these areas a part of our territories. If today we would not interfere in this area, US was planning to create another sectarian war by steering psychopath Shia groups into Sunni civilian areas under the pretext of figthing ISIS. US gave up after we said that if they do such a thing, we are going to destroy all the groups they support. We still dont think that US completely gave up and probably we will have to interfere in this area by our armed forces. Your double standards is staggering....it is bad for Western countries to invade Iraq or prominently northern Iraq (well known for its oil reserves ) but...it's ok for Turkey to invade on the basis of some historical claims to the land during the Ottoman era. Hmmm... The British had an empire that stretched across the continent. The Persians (much older civilisations than your country Turkey) had and empire that stretched from the far corners of India to Macedonia in the West and so did the Greeks and Romans. By this fallacy in your logic should all these great civilisations claim ownership to their colonies?? I wouldn't have thought so. If turkey was such a strong country it wouldn't have a problem to deal with PKK let alone take on the West. The demography of the population in Northern Iraq is made up of Kurds. They are not Shias nor do they have much inclination for Turkey and your government's policy. Furthermore, the Iraqi government have already expressed wishes against turkish interference. Edited October 26, 2016 by kactus Quote
Altai Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, kactus said: Your double standards is staggering....it is bad for Western countries to invade Iraq or prominently northern Iraq (well known for its oil reserves ) but...it's ok for Turkey to invade on the basis of some historical claims to the land during the Ottoman era. Hmmm... As I said, we will protect the rights of people in these areas and we will do that based on "international agreements". Its also does not matter that there is such international agreements. We are going to iinterfere in these areas to protect these people in all circumstances. Ofcourse we will benefit from its resources. We wont allow your countries to steal from these people under the pretext off figthing "synthetic terror groups" which is also created by your countries. You cant do that. Be a good person. Bad people are doomed to lose. This is the law of nature. Quote The British had an empire that stretched across the continent. The Persians (much older civilisations than your country Turkey) had and empire that stretched from the far corners of India to Macedonia in the West and so did the Greeks and Romans. By this fallacy in your logic should all these great civilisations claim ownership to their colonies?? I wouldn't have thought so. This part of my answer is deleted by mistake and I wont rewrite. Quote If turkey was such a strong country it wouldn't have a problem to deal with PKK let alone take on the West. This part of my answer is deleted twice and I wont rewrite. Quote The demography of the population in Northern Iraq is made up of Kurds. They are not Shias nor do they have much inclination for Turkey and your government's policy. Furthermore, the Iraqi government have already expressed wishes against turkish interference. Yes Northern Iraq is mostly populated Kurdish people and huge part of them want to be a state of Turkiye. Because they know that they are going to be banged by Britain-US if they wont partipicate in Turkish State. Iraqi govt is a British tool, all of them are British citizens. They have no power on Northern Iraq. Just a few days ago all the Kurdish tribal leaders from Turkiye and Iraq swore allegiance to Turkish state. Edited October 26, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) Thanks to forum software, deleted parts are saved. The British had an empire that stretched across the continent. The Persians (much older civilisations than your country Turkey) had and empire that stretched from the far corners of India to Macedonia in the West and so did the Greeks and Romans. By this fallacy in your logic should all these great civilisations claim ownership to their colonies?? I wouldn't have thought so. As I said in another topic of mine, I am against claiming ownership on lands. The World is our common property but this does not mean we wont interfere and wont put an end to injustices. The history of Persians dates back to 4000 BC. The history of Turks dates back to 8000-16000 BC. If turkey was such a strong country it wouldn't have a problem to deal with PKK let alone take on the West. What a simple and flat logic this is about such a complex issue ? No terror organizations can stand against an army, except they receive a huge support from other countries or by the country itself. You need a big lesson about the history of my country. Edited October 26, 2016 by Altai Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Altai said: Thanks to forum software, deleted parts are saved. As I said in another topic of mine, I am against claiming ownership on lands. The World is our common property but this does not mean we wont interfere and wont put an end to injustices. The history of Persians dates back to 4000 BC. The history of Turks dates back to 8000-16000 BC. What a simple and flat logic this is about such a complex issue ? No terror organizations can stand against an army, except they receive a huge support from other countries or by the country itself. You need a big lesson about the history of my country. Here is some interesting facts about old civilisations: Can you cite where you get 8000 years history for Turkey? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire http://www.ancienthistorylists.com/ancient-civilizations/10-oldest-ancient-civilizations-ever-existed/ http://www.ancient.eu/Asia_Minor/ On another note...Annexing another country like Iraq as you have demonstrated in your map is not exactly the behaviour of a civilised country in modern world. What you are advocating is assimilation of kurdish identity into Turkish by depriving and increase your influence into middle east. I don't believe this is what the kurdish population want at large. So far PJAK and PKK camps whichever way you are looking at them have been quite successful to stand up to Iran and your country. Edited October 26, 2016 by kactus Quote
Altai Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, kactus said: Here is some interesting facts about old civilisations: Can you cite where you get 8000 years history for Turkey? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire http://www.ancienthistorylists.com/ancient-civilizations/10-oldest-ancient-civilizations-ever-existed/ http://www.ancient.eu/Asia_Minor/ From Prof.Kazim Mirsan's books. I am not talking about old states, I am talking about old nations. Turks had a nomadic life style for long time and today we have relatives all over the World. For example American natives are our relatives. Quote On another note...Annexing another country like Iraq as you have demonstrated in your map is not exactly the behaviour of a civilised country in modern world. What you are advocating is assimilation of kurdish identity into Turkish by depriving and increase your influence into middle east. I don't believe this is what the kurdish population want at large. Its not a map demonstrated by my country, its a map demonstrated by me. As I said, the people who live in the area also want to be a part of our state, they wont get mad at the map, just the opposite they will be happy. If we would like to assimilete someones, we simply would do it. It does not matter whether or not you believe in something. We dont care your idea, it is none of your business, its between us and the people who live in these areas. You will just leave ME, we dont want bad intentioned people here. You are welcomed as a tourist or as a peaceful person who want to live here. But you are not allowed to steal oil or something else anymore. Quote So far PJAK and PKK camps whichever way you are looking at them have been quite successful to stand up to Iran and your country. Why are you such proud of terror organizations ? You are openly supporting terror organizations and you should be banned for that. You have been reported. Edited October 26, 2016 by Altai 1 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Altai said: From Prof.Kazim Mirsan's books. I am not talking about old states, I am talking about old nations. Turks had a nomadic life style for long time and today we have relatives all over the World. For example American natives are our relatives. Its not a map demonstrated by my country, its a map demonstrated by me. As I said, the people who live in the area also want to be a part of our state, they wont get mad at the map, just the opposite they will be happy. If we would like to assimilete someones, we simply would do it. It does not matter whether or not you believe in something. We dont care your idea, it is none of your business, its between us and the people who live in these areas. You will just leave ME, we dont want bad intentioned people here. You are welcomed as a tourist or as a peaceful person who want to live here. But you are not allowed to steal oil or something else anymore. Why are you such proud of terror organizations ? You are openly supporting terror organizations and you should be banned for that. You have been reported. Such drakonian measures have resulted to the fall of many nations. Do not mix the policies of your government with your nationalism sentiments. It is sure a receipe for disaster. Your apetite to expand the sunni version of islam in the middle east is evident by the responses you have given so far.... You are also assuming that the kurds will simply assimilate into the turkish society which is not the case. Only a look at the Diarbakir region in South Eastern Turkey will reveal the level of alienation that exists. The place has literally turned into ghetto, which is why the kurds have fought for their independence. On your note about Persia it is by far a greater civilisation than Turkey with significant influence in every aspect of your lives....It brought literature, sufism, poetry, philosophy, politics ans many other things. But let there be no mistake that a Turkey alone standing up to the West will crumble and implode. We saw the 'sick man in Europe' (Ottomans) fell apart... Edited October 26, 2016 by kactus Quote
Altai Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, kactus said: Such drakonian measures have resulted to the fall of many nations. Do not mix the policies of your government with your nationalism sentiments. It is sure a receipe for disaster. Your apetite to expand the sunni version of islam in the middle east is evident by the responses you have given so far.... You are also assuming that the kurds will simply assimilate into the turkish society which is not the case. Only a look at the Diarbakir region in South Eastern Turkey will reveal the level of alienation that exists. The place has literally turned into ghetto, which is why the kurds have fought for their independence. On your note about Persia it is by far a greater civilisation than Turkey with significant influence in every aspect of your lives....It brought literature, sufism, poetry, philosophy, politics ans many other things. But let there be no mistake that a Turkey alone standing up to the West will crumble and implode. We saw the 'sick man in Europe' (Ottomans) fell apart... LoLoL wtf you are talking about. You need a doctor. You are a terrorist supporter and this makes you a terrorist. My mother told me not to talk with terrorists. Now I put you in ignore list. Edited October 26, 2016 by Altai 1 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 Kactus, here a daily life of your friends Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted October 27, 2016 Report Posted October 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Altai said: Kactus, here a daily life of your friends PKK is not my friend! Have not mentioned anything as such.... Quote
kactus Posted October 27, 2016 Report Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) On 26/10/2016 at 11:55 PM, Altai said: LoLoL wtf you are talking about. You need a doctor. You are a terrorist supporter and this makes you a terrorist. My mother told me not to talk with terrorists. Now I put you in ignore list. I would rather re-visit my history using a credible source than some wishy washy turkishpedia that is just a good receipe for turkish delight...I will suggest you do the same if you want to learn about history. 100% agree with the advise given to you by your mom and I would have said the same...That way I wouldn't have to waste my time teaching you about Persian civilization and the great things they did achieve... From the UK with love Edited October 28, 2016 by kactus Quote
Ash74 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Posted October 27, 2016 She ignores everybody that disagrees with her Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Argus Posted November 3, 2016 Report Posted November 3, 2016 On 10/26/2016 at 4:13 AM, Altai said: As I said, we will protect the rights of people in these areas You will? What 'rights' do Turks presently hold? The right to agree with whatever the government tells them or be arrested as a 'terrorist supporter'? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 3, 2016 Report Posted November 3, 2016 On 10/26/2016 at 0:14 PM, Altai said: Why are you such proud of terror organizations ? You are openly supporting terror organizations and you should be banned for that. You have been reported. By far the largest and most dangerous terrorist organization in Turkey today is The AKP. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Altai Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Posted November 21, 2016 Western backed PYD terror organization and Western armies special forces rejects to withdraw from Syria town Munbij despite serious warnings of Tukiye, keeps invading it under the pretext of figthing ISIS. Turkish Army is going to shot them all. Please withdraw, we are not Russia or Iran. We will shot you suddenly, you wont even understand what is happening. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
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