ndpnic Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada. Here is a list of the "Freedoms" I thank Canada for : the Freedom to work for less than I need to survive the Freedom to not afford medicine I need the Freedom not have my voice heard politically because I belong to a smaller voting demographic the Freedom to go without utilities because I can't afford them the Freedom to live in inadiquate housing the Freedom to watch my child go without the Freedom to financially support the government and get no meaningful help from Thank YOU CANADA!!!!! Freedom and Democracy give us so much to be grateful for!!! Quote
Slavik44 Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada.Here is a list of the "Freedoms" I thank Canada for : the Freedom to work for less than I need to survive the Freedom to not afford medicine I need the Freedom not have my voice heard politically because I belong to a smaller voting demographic the Freedom to go without utilities because I can't afford them the Freedom to live in inadiquate housing the Freedom to watch my child go without the Freedom to financially support the government and get no meaningful help from Thank YOU CANADA!!!!! Freedom and Democracy give us so much to be grateful for!!! wow, your so thankfull.... Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 But think of all you do have in Canada ndpnic! The right to demand Fox News, CNN, Headline News, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC...... The right to place an American flag on your window. The right to own a gun for the exciting, if ficticious, war against the government. The right to complain about government giving too much to the poor because you are so rich. We do have to return to traditional Canadian values and stop this Bush ass kissing. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
August1991 Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada.You forgot the freedom to whine. Quote
Newfie Canadian Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 You know, I can think of many worse places on the planet to live and raise my daughter in than my beautiful Canada. You forgot the freedom to whine. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
ndpnic Posted November 25, 2004 Author Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada.You forgot the freedom to whine. I love how it's always called "Whinning" when you point out short comings within your society! Quote
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 I love how it's always called "Whinning" when you point out short comings within your society! You are wrong ndpnic. It is acceptable (particularly amongst the right in my experience) to whine about being unable to own automatic weapons, it is acceptable to whine about being unable to watch Fox News, it is acceptable to whine about taxes. It is just not acceptable to complain about poverty. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
Newfie Canadian Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 To put this in perspective ndpnic, watch some of the coverage of Martin prancing around Africa, catch just a minute glance at what they live through, and then think about what there is to be thankful about living in Canada. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 To put this in perspective ndpnic, watch some of the coverage of Martin prancing around Africa, catch just a minute glance at what they live through, and then think about what there is to be thankful about living in Canada. You are correct NC. Certainly, others have it worse, but is the issue not about improving life here in Canada? I think your intent is to be optimistic and realize how good we really have it (and I generally agree with you), but I wonder if this is much solace to someone currently living in poverty and really struggling. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
Newfie Canadian Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 but I wonder if this is much solace to someone currently living in poverty and really struggling Perhaps not Cartman. But I live on a fixed income, and only for the help of family I may very well be in that situation. I have thought, often, of what it would be like to be in other countries in my situation, and from what I know about the political, societal and economic structures of some other countries, I don't think we're doing that badly. Could we, as a society and government, do better? Certainly. Should we? Certainly. Hopefully one day soon, we'll get it perfect. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
ndpnic Posted November 25, 2004 Author Report Posted November 25, 2004 To put this in perspective ndpnic, watch some of the coverage of Martin prancing around Africa, catch just a minute glance at what they live through, and then think about what there is to be thankful about living in Canada. Easy to say whenyou don't have red disconnection notices!!! We might have it better than some, but NOT GOOD ENOUGH when some many Canadians are living in poverty. Do the math. $7/hr x 40 = $280 $280 x 4 = $1520 Out of that $1520, the government will take their share, say @ $300.00 That leaves $1220 rent = $600 utilities = $250 That leaves us with $370 Food, transportation, insurance,child care, clothing, medications, laundry, phone, all have to come out of this $370 every month. Hope your kids don't have bithdays or believe in Santa, because there is NO money for pesents! Even if you double the income, people are still short for the basics in Canada. Quote
Newfie Canadian Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Easy to say when you don't have red disconnection notices!!! What makes you think I don't, or haven't. You know nothing of my situation ndpnic, just as I know nothing of yours. but NOT GOOD ENOUGH when some many Canadians are living in poverty. I said as much. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
Argus Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada.Here is a list of the "Freedoms" I thank Canada for : the Freedom to work for less than I need to survive Apparently not true.the Freedom to not afford medicine I needMaybe you don't really need it that badly. Most provinces will pay for expensive medicines that are needed. Which is very generous of me, isn't it? Paying for other people's drugs.the Freedom not have my voice heard politically because I belong to a smaller voting demographicHey, welcome to the club. I'm a conservative. My voice is never heard either.the Freedom to go without utilities because I can't afford themAnd yet, you have a computer? And, I'm betting, a TV, DVD, microwave, etc.the Freedom to live in inadiquate housingSo clean up the place more.the Freedom to watch my child go withoutIf you couldn't afford the kid maybe you shouldn't have had it. Or do you think it appropriate to procreate based on the theory your neighbours will be forced to pay for the resulting bills?the Freedom to financially support the government and get no meaningful help fromIf you're poor it's most unlikely you are supporting the government at all. The reverse would be more likely.Thank YOU CANADA!!!!! Freedom and Democracy give us so much to be grateful for!!! Ever heard of the concept of self responsibility? Ever heard of looking after your own problems? Ever heard of doing the adult thing and taking care of yourself? What you seem to be bitching about is the government isn't taking more money away from me to make your life more comfortable. Excuse me for not crying. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
willy Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Name one country better than ours and why? Quote
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Maybe you don't really need it that badly. Most provinces will pay for expensive medicines that are needed. Which is very generous of me, isn't it? Paying for other people's drugs. It is very generous of me to pay for the debt that your generation created Argus. It is very generous of me to pay for all of the visits that you have made to the doctor. Don't you work for the government? How generous of me to pay for your wages.I'm a conservative. My voice is never heard either.Crocodile tears about here not so much.And yet, you have a computer? And, I'm betting, a TV, DVD, microwave, etc.And maybe even ketchup in the fridge!If you couldn't afford the kid maybe you shouldn't have had it. Or do you think it appropriate to procreate based on the theory your neighbours will be forced to pay for the resulting bills?Maybe ndpnic had the kid before the medical problems or is temporal sequence too difficult for you to comprehend?Ever heard of the concept of self responsibility? You mean like when you said you wanted the right to run down protestors? You sound like Dr. Evil Argus. Get over it...it was just a movie. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 D'oh! Messed up that last post. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
Argus Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 D'oh! Messed up that last post. Yes, and the coding was wrong too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 It is very generous of me to pay for the debt that your generation created Argus.I'm not a boomer.It is very generous of me to pay for all of the visits that you have made to the doctor. I rarely go to the doctor, and given I have to pay the "health care premium" not to mention taxes, I don't think you're needed to subsidise me. Don't you work for the government? How generous of me to pay for your wages.Like everyone else, I sell my skills to whomever pays the most. At the present time the government is one of those purchasing my services. You don't get them for nothing. If you couldn't afford the kid maybe you shouldn't have had it. Or do you think it appropriate to procreate based on the theory your neighbours will be forced to pay for the resulting bills? Maybe ndpnic had the kid before the medical problems or is temporal sequence too difficult for you to comprehend? ndp gave no reasons or specifics. He used himself as an example but wrote a post on generalities, so I responded to generalities. The fact is there are plenty of people on welfare who go out and have more and more kids - knowing it will get them bigger cheques. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Like everyone else, I sell my skills to whomever pays the most. At the present time the government is one of those purchasing my services. You don't get them for nothing. C'mon Argus, you don't see the contradiction here? You are angry at paying taxes on your income which is derived from taxes? Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
Argus Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 Like everyone else, I sell my skills to whomever pays the most. At the present time the government is one of those purchasing my services. You don't get them for nothing. C'mon Argus, you don't see the contradiction here? You are angry at paying taxes on your income which is derived from taxes? Nope. Because I am not angry at paying taxes. I well recognize the need for taxation to supply services, including social services, that I believe an enlightened society should have. If I am angry it is at the abuse of the generosity of those of us who do pay such high taxes. The money we pay is more than sufficient to have exellent health care, excellent schools, and to make sure no one goes without proper food, shelter and clothing. It is not enough only because of the corruption and incompetence of those in office. And yet if we complain about this some knee-jerk leftist is going to accuse us of being "selfish", for not wanting to fork over even more. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Cartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Posted November 25, 2004 And yet if we complain about this some knee-jerk leftist is going to accuse us of being "selfish", for not wanting to fork over even more. I would argue that I am a fiscally conservative New Democrat and I do not believe that they are mutually exclusive concepts (i.e. like military intel). I have complained in several places that the feds have wasted money and I created a thread about bureaucratic waste asking what should be done. Few people chimed in on that one and I think that here is where the solution is. Quote You will respect my authoritah!!
ndpnic Posted November 25, 2004 Author Report Posted November 25, 2004 Everyone keeps talking about "FREEDOM" these days in Canada.Here is a list of the "Freedoms" I thank Canada for : the Freedom to work for less than I need to survive Apparently not true.the Freedom to not afford medicine I needMaybe you don't really need it that badly. Most provinces will pay for expensive medicines that are needed. Which is very generous of me, isn't it? Paying for other people's drugs.the Freedom not have my voice heard politically because I belong to a smaller voting demographicHey, welcome to the club. I'm a conservative. My voice is never heard either.the Freedom to go without utilities because I can't afford themAnd yet, you have a computer? And, I'm betting, a TV, DVD, microwave, etc.the Freedom to live in inadiquate housingSo clean up the place more.the Freedom to watch my child go withoutIf you couldn't afford the kid maybe you shouldn't have had it. Or do you think it appropriate to procreate based on the theory your neighbours will be forced to pay for the resulting bills?the Freedom to financially support the government and get no meaningful help fromIf you're poor it's most unlikely you are supporting the government at all. The reverse would be more likely.Thank YOU CANADA!!!!! Freedom and Democracy give us so much to be grateful for!!! Ever heard of the concept of self responsibility? Ever heard of looking after your own problems? Ever heard of doing the adult thing and taking care of yourself? What you seem to be bitching about is the government isn't taking more money away from me to make your life more comfortable. Excuse me for not crying. What province? Not Ontario. The only program we have the "trillium", will cover my husbands Remicade, but not my Imitrex. Believe it or not, there are actually Canadians that don't fit into nice, neat groups. There are actually Canadians that for one reason or another don't seem to fit in anywhere. that is a serious problem in Canada, and it's getting worse because the 'boomers and the haves refuse to acknowlege this!!!!! Quote
willy Posted November 26, 2004 Report Posted November 26, 2004 Believe it or not, there are actually Canadians that don't fit into nice, neat groups. There are actually Canadians that for one reason or another don't seem to fit in anywhere. This is a good reason to not have the government look after us. They may not know whats best. Quote
Stoker Posted November 26, 2004 Report Posted November 26, 2004 Easy to say whenyou don't have red disconnection notices!!!We might have it better than some, but NOT GOOD ENOUGH when some many Canadians are living in poverty. Do the math. $7/hr x 40 = $280 $280 x 4 = $1520 Out of that $1520, the government will take their share, say @ $300.00 That leaves $1220 rent = $600 utilities = $250 That leaves us with $370 Food, transportation, insurance,child care, clothing, medications, laundry, phone, all have to come out of this $370 every month. Hope your kids don't have bithdays or believe in Santa, because there is NO money for pesents! Even if you double the income, people are still short for the basics Instead of bitching over the government not giving you and your family enough resources to "live", use your situation as incentive to better yourself.....be it a better education......higher paying job.....what ever. And before you reply the old adage, "easier said than done"......I'm not saying it's going to be easy, probably really hard......It just depends on you as a person, and from the sounds of your post, and the apparent expecataions you have of society and the expected debt that you think the world owes you, I think you will have a extra hard time...... Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
caesar Posted November 26, 2004 Report Posted November 26, 2004 Do the math. $7/hr x 40 = $280$280 x 4 = $1520 Out of that $1520, the government will take their share, say @ $300.00 That leaves $1220 rent = $600 utilities = $250 That leaves us with $370 I guess math was not your strong suit. There are four and one third weeks in a month. Even at only 7 dollars an hour that is an extra 91 dollars a month. No one forces you to stay at a minimum wage job; do they. Can you not find a better job; if not why are you having children. Does your spouse work? Why not. You are responsible for yourself ; the government (we the people) should only help able bodied people on a temporary basis; those who are handicapped or for some reason are mentally or physically unable to work need to get more money to live on; I can see giving more help for a single parent family until the child is of school age. Quote
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