Trudeau Government accused of Ethics breach?

[waldo]

clearly the OP blew up, blew up reeeal good! So... now deflect onto Senate appointments and the Gomery Inquiry! Oh my.

[Smallc]

clearly the OP blew up, blew up reeeal good! So... now deflect onto Senate appointments and the Gomery Inquiry! Oh my.

No kidding - pretending that somehow those things are relevant to Harper's future stacking (you can trademark that if you'd like).

[Derek 2.0]

clearly the OP blew up, blew up reeeal good! So... now deflect onto Senate appointments and the Gomery Inquiry! Oh my.

What "blew up"? Your ability to justify the Liberals wanting their own patronage appointments?

[Derek 2.0]

No kidding - pretending that somehow those things are relevant to Harper's future stacking (you can trademark that if you'd like).

Are the hundreds of appointments made by PM PM relevant, likewise the fact that on taking power, the Harper Tories didn't attempt to bully said appointments into resigning?

[Smallc]

Are the hundreds of appointments made by PM PM relevant, likewise the fact that on taking power, the Harper Tories didn't attempt to bully said appointments into resigning?

Were they appointments set to happen after a known election date?

Is PM PM Trudeau? Is he Harper?

Does any of this have any relevance?

[On Guard for Thee]

No kidding - pretending that somehow those things are relevant to Harper's future stacking (you can trademark that if you'd like).

"Apples to oranges" doesn't even come close to describing D2's comparisons. I guess if one is that hooked on a party they'll try anything.

[Derek 2.0]

Were they appointments set to happen after a known election date?

No, they were appointed before a sitting Government was set to fall due to scandal.

Is PM PM Trudeau? Is he Harper?

Does any of this have any relevance?

Of course it does, as Harper's Government didn't attempt to bully the previous Government's appointments into resigning.

[Smallc]

No, they were appointed before a sitting Government was set to fall due to scandal.

So - not relevant to the discussion.

[Derek 2.0]

So - not relevant to the discussion.

No, very relevant to the discussion, as it offers a historic contrast to this very topic, from the last Government.......the previous Liberal Government filled countless appointments that served through the following Government, and on forming Government, the previous Government didn't call for said appointments to resign.

This is the exact opposite of which this Government is doing......they want their own appointments and they don't want to wait for natural attrition, and this is being directed from the Trudeau PMO.

[On Guard for Thee]

No, very relevant to the discussion, as it offers a historic contrast to this very topic, from the last Government.......the previous Liberal Government filled countless appointments that served through the following Government, and on forming Government, the previous Government didn't call for said appointments to resign.

This is the exact opposite of which this Government is doing......they want their own appointments and they don't want to wait for natural attrition, and this is being directed from the Trudeau PMO.

Harper misused his authority, Trudeau did not, but you just don't seem to get that.

[Smallc]

No, very relevant to the discussion, as it offers a historic contrast to this very topic, from the last Government

So the last government would have been fine with Martin making appointments that were to take place in 2010.

[Shady]

And so it begins...

[Smallc]

And so it begins...

Misleading opening posts?

[Derek 2.0]

So the last government would have been fine with Martin making appointments that were to take place in 2010.

I have no idea, I would assume most of Martin's appointments lasted years into the Harper Government .....none the less, the Harper Government didn't ask them to leave.

[Smallc]

Harper misused his authority, Trudeau did not, but you just don't seem to get that.

If Martin had appointed Senators to replace those retiring all the way until 2010, he might have a point.

[Smallc]

I have no idea, I would assume most of Martin's appointments lasted years into the Harper Government

Did they start years into the Harper government - you don't seem to understand what the problem is. It isn't that appointments were made by Harper, it's that they were made for positions that didn't need filling until well into the next governments mandate.

[Derek 2.0]

If Martin had appointed Senators to replace those retiring all the way until 2010, he might have a point.

No, Martin appointed hundreds of patronage positions......and stacked the Senate months prior to his Government being brought down with scandal....Harper didn't stack the Senate (his biggest mistake in my opinion) and only a appointed a fraction of the appointments as PM PM.

[Derek 2.0]

Did they start years into the Harper government - you don't seem to understand what the problem is. It isn't that appointments were made by Harper, it's that they were made for positions that didn't need filling until well into the next governments mandate.

Who cares? The majority of his appointments were renewing existing appointments........none the less, PM Harper didn't attempt to strong-arm PM Martin's appointments, as this current Government is doing, on the direction of the Trudeau PMO.

[Smallc]

No, Martin appointed hundreds of patronage positions

And so did Harper.

......and stacked the Senate months prior to his Government being brought down with scandal

Martin regularly filled senate seats. Harper had a schizophrenic approach to the Senate

Harper didn't stack the Senate (his biggest mistake in my opinion) and only a appointed a fraction of the appointments as PM PM.

Over 10 years, Harper made a fraction of the appointments that Martin made in 2? Anyway, this is about Trudeau, not Harper. I know it's all about teams to you, but for most of us, it isn't.

No one would care all that much, were it not for the future stacking. It's not about the appointments Harper made during his mandate. It's about the appointments that are set to be that haven't even happened yet.

[Smallc]

Who cares? The majority of his appointments were renewing existing appointments

And that's the point - he had no real business making those appointments. Obviously, more than one constitutional scholar, media personality, and member of the government thinks so.

[Derek 2.0]

And so did Harper.

Not in the dwindling months of office.

Martin regularly filled senate seats. Harper had a schizophrenic approach to the Senate

Yet didn't stuff the Senate prior to leaving.

Over 10 years, Harper made a fraction of the appointments that Martin made in 2? Anyway, this is about Trudeau, not Harper. I know it's all about teams to you, but for most of us, it isn't.

As I clearly said, in the remaining months in office......and this is about Trudeau and his attempt to bully lawfully made appointments.....so he can get his own guys in.

No one would care all that much, were it not for the future stacking. It's not about the appointments Harper made during his mandate. It's about the appointments that are set to be that haven't even happened yet.

You mean extending contracts of several appointments?

[On Guard for Thee]

If you want to talk ethics breaches, then lets get to a real one: such as Harper and Mackay going after Beverly McLaclin. Oh well, it probably helped get them voted out so they got what was coming.

[Derek 2.0]

And that's the point - he had no real business making those appointments. Obviously, more than one constitutional scholar, media personality, and member of the government thinks so.

He had no more, or no less business making them than Paul Martin......and its done, and now Trudeau is bullying them out.

[Smallc]

Not in the dwindling months of office.

Martin didn't really have any other kinds of months.

Yet didn't stuff the Senate prior to leaving.

He couldn't break yet another promise on the Senate and maintain any credibility on the matter.

As I clearly said, in the remaining months in office......and this is about Trudeau and his attempt to bully lawfully made appointments.....so he can get his own guys in.

It's clearly about Harper making unprecedented future appointments. They're arguably not legitimate, and begin well into Trudeau's mandate. No one is asking anything of the appointees that actually started their jobs while Harper was still the Prime Minister.

You mean extending contracts of several appointments?

Why would the Prime Minister, in 2015, almost certain to lose his job, extend the appointment of someone from 2019 - 2020? I can think of only one reason - to deny his replacement the opportunity. Hence, futurestacking.

[Smallc]

He had no more, or no less business making them than Paul Martin.

How many like, starting years in the future appointments, did Martin make?