American Response to Refugees

[eyeball]

Maybe you make some valid points there. But what is done is done and can't be undone. The issue of the day is what to do about the present dilemma facing us.

If past mistakes led us to the position of danger that we now find ourselves in what would you suggest? That we just lay down arms and surrender? Would you agree to saying to the enemy, "We realize we made you what you are, therefore we will allow you to attack us at will?

No, I would agree to saying, "We're sorry for having caused you so much grief now what can we do to make amends?"

[notca]

No, I would agree to saying, "We're sorry for having caused you so much grief now what can we do to make amends?"

I suppose your view is shared by many. It seems so. But you must be referring to the refugees. Surely you don't think any outside action, right or wrong, was responsible for the creation of ISIS!

And it IS ISIS that the refugees claim to be fleeing from.

The Syrian government, brutal as it is, is nothing new in the Mid-east. Many of the Mid-eastern countries are run by dictators under Islamic law. And I really can't believe that America was the cause of the conflicts there because those conflicts have existed since the beginning of time. Long before America ever entered the picture. Before there even was an America.

What country could be more dictatorial and cruel to its citizens than Saudi Arabia, the country that America protects from its enemies?

You may very well be right and I may very well be wrong but that's what I think. Islam is a domineering religion that makes slaves of its followers and its followers have split into so many different sects that hate each other, I believe that is what is at the root of the conflict. ISIS is just another sect seeking to dominate.

I think that in accepting large numbers of Muslims we are accepting many different sects of Islam that are predisposed to fighting each other and other religions/non-religions as well.

That is the understanding I have come to from much reading on the history of Islam.

[eyeball]

I suppose your view is shared by many. It seems so. But you must be referring to the refugees. Surely you don't think any outside action, right or wrong, was responsible for the creation of ISIS!

Surely I do.

And it IS ISIS that the refugees claim to be fleeing from.

ISIS is just one more thing for people to flee.

The Syrian government, brutal as it is, is nothing new in the Mid-east. Many of the Mid-eastern countries are run by dictators under Islamic law. And I really can't believe that America was the cause of the conflicts there because those conflicts have existed since the beginning of time. Long before America ever entered the picture. Before there even was an America.

Sure, but how does that excuse anyone from exploiting the differences and then completely ignoring how exacerbating them has blown back in our faces?

What country could be more dictatorial and cruel to its citizens than Saudi Arabia, the country that America protects from its enemies?

I don't know, the more important question is why we protect them and further to that why we America should expect any kind of a break for doing so?

You may very well be right and I may very well be wrong but that's what I think. Islam is a domineering religion that makes slaves of its followers and its followers have split into so many different sects that hate each other, I believe that is what is at the root of the conflict. ISIS is just another sect seeking to dominate.

Well, I think you suffer the same confusion many do with regard to cause and effect. Islam, is just a thing and it's what people do with things that matters.

I think that in accepting large numbers of Muslims we are accepting many different sects of Islam that are predisposed to fighting each other and other religions/non-religions as well.

That is the understanding I have come to from much reading on the history of Islam.

I tend to derive my understanding from the history of living memory.

[notca]

Surely I do.

ISIS is just one more thing for people to flee.

Sure, but how does that excuse anyone from exploiting the differences and then completely ignoring how exacerbating them has blown back in our faces?

I don't know, the more important question is why we protect them and further to that why we America should expect any kind of a break for doing so?

Well, I think you suffer the same confusion many do with regard to cause and effect. Islam, is just a thing and it's what people do with things that matters.

I tend to derive my understanding from the history of living memory.

You are entitled to you opinion as we all are. I respect that. But I still disagree.

Countries that have been fighting within forever need to start finding a way to solve their own problems and start living peacefully with each other. They will never do that if they are constantly bailed out by foreigners who take them in. They are like adult children who constantly get into trouble and get their parents to fix it for them so they can go ahead and get into more trouble.

As for the interference by North Americans into their country, they are always happy to take monetary aid. They never tell us to 'stay out'. No country can interfere in another sovereign nation unless they are allowed to. And remember, in most cases it was the UN that wanted 'America to send troops' whenever trouble broke out anywhere in the world.

Somehow Turkey and Jordon (and a few other Mid-eastern countries have lived in peace for quite a while now. How did they manage it? If the warring countries really wanted peace they could take a lesson.

Turkey is now having trouble with terrorists too. No other western country has interfered in Turkey that I know of.

I also think that your understanding of history purely from living memory makes your understanding limited. What is happening in our time is NOT history, it is what has evolved from history. When you know what has led up to events of the past and it has happened in the same way time after time throughout the ages, it is a sure bet that the same preliminaries will bring about those same events again. And that is what is happening now.

[eyeball]

I also think that your understanding of history purely from living memory makes your understanding limited. What is happening in our time is NOT history, it is what has evolved from history.

What I understand is that a lot of people are dying, often as a result of events that happened recently enough for living people to actually recall them.

When you know what has led up to events of the past and it has happened in the same way time after time throughout the ages, it is a sure bet that the same preliminaries will bring about those same events again. And that is what is happening now.

You're preaching to the converted but it doesn't look like you're listening.

[GostHacked]

You are entitled to you opinion as we all are. I respect that. But I still disagree.

Countries that have been fighting within forever need to start finding a way to solve their own problems and start living peacefully with each other. They will never do that if they are constantly bailed out by foreigners who take them in. They are like adult children who constantly get into trouble and get their parents to fix it for them so they can go ahead and get into more trouble.

As for the interference by North Americans into their country, they are always happy to take monetary aid. They never tell us to 'stay out'. No country can interfere in another sovereign nation unless they are allowed to. And remember, in most cases it was the UN that wanted 'America to send troops' whenever trouble broke out anywhere in the world.

Somehow Turkey and Jordon (and a few other Mid-eastern countries have lived in peace for quite a while now. How did they manage it? If the warring countries really wanted peace they could take a lesson.

Turkey is now having trouble with terrorists too. No other western country has interfered in Turkey that I know of.

Turkey has been key in giving a base of operations to the Free Syrian Army trainied by Turkey and NATO, with financial, weapons and training by NATO forces. This is why Turkey is having this issue. Kind of expected that extremism and terrorism would ramp up in Turkey.

The problem is not that western nations are interferring in Turkey, it's that western nations (NATO) and Turkey have been interfering in Syria since the start of this so called civil war.

Not long ago it was Constantinople now it's Istanbul.

[Big Guy]

I was watching the Sunday morning political shows. One channel had American security people talking about refugees, home grown terrorists, immigration, gun control.

The good thing is that they are doing everything possible to keep terrorist out of the USA and have a very extensive "Terrorist Watch List".

The bad thing is that because of American gun laws, people on the "Terrorist Watch List" are allowed to purchase guns.

Good grief!

[notca]

What I understand is that a lot of people are dying, often as a result of events that happened recently enough for living people to actually recall them.

You're preaching to the converted but it doesn't look like you're listening.

People have been dying for centuries as a result of events that preceded their dying. It is a pattern that has been repeated over and over since time began. It isn't something new. That is how we can see that what is happening now is the same old, same old that has always been, and always will be because we never get smart enough to change the pattern and nip it in the bud.

I'm sorry you see it as preaching. That is not my intention. I AM listening to everything I can put my ears to that is going on in the world and simply expression the impressions I am getting from it all.

How, exactly have you been 'converted'?

[eyeball]

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings towards our actions in the ME.