On Guard for Thee Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) It has nothing to do with "getting over it". Of course I voted Harper, But I'll take Trudeau over Mulcair any day. ---SNIP--- Perhaps you didn't watch the debates. What you don't seem to get is that Trudeau was able and willing to discuss things Harper had kept quiet for so long. That brought a breath of fresh air to the party that swept him into power, and continues as we speak. Edited November 29, 2015 by Charles Anthony excessive quoting [---SNIP---] Quote
Smallc Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) The Liberals went into the campaign in third with Trudeau at the helm. It seems that it was more than his name that turned the tide. The reality is that the Liberals had the best platform. It won them the election. Edited November 29, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Smoke Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 The reality is that the Liberals had the best platform. It won them the election According to Ensight, their polling during the two days after the election showed that a majority of those who voted Liberal were actually unaware of the Liberal platform, and were merely voting "anybody but Harper". The segment was replayed on CPAC several times after the election. So it appears your opinion that the Liberals were voted in on policy is in fact, not reality. Quote
Smallc Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 At the outset of the election, the NDP was in the lead. Again, something other than a name changed things (though it played a part). The Liberal brand also played a part, as did Trudeau's energy. Quote
Argus Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 The Liberals went into the campaign in third with Trudeau at the helm. It seems that it was more than his name that turned the tide. The reality is that the Liberals had the best platform. It won them the election. Best platform translate into 'They offered us the most free stuff", right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 29, 2015 Report Posted November 29, 2015 Best platform translate into 'They offered us the most free stuff", right? So you didn't read it either? The Liberals offered real achievable democratic reforms (even leaving aside a change to the voting system(. The Liberals took the military off of the table by matching the Conservatives in spending. They also offered a way out of the F-35 saga and offer end hope for shipbuilding. They offered a revenue neutral tax change that benefits about half of earners that pay tax. They offered sorely needed infrastructure money. Quote
Smoke Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 So you didn't read it either? The Liberals offered real achievable democratic reforms (even leaving aside a change to the voting system(. The Liberals took the military off of the table by matching the Conservatives in spending. They also offered a way out of the F-35 saga and offer end hope for shipbuilding. They offered a revenue neutral tax change that benefits about half of earners that pay tax. They offered sorely needed infrastructure money. Yes they did, but, as the Ensight polls showed, none of that mattered to Liberal voters. Quote
socialist Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Yes they did, but, as the Ensight polls showed, none of that mattered to Liberal voters. When you are born with a silver spoon and a family trust and have no idea of how the average Canadian makes a living then the "Money Bucket" (Canadian Taxpayers) has no bottom. For all you liberal trolls out there show me an example of one thing that past liberal governments have ever accomplished without increasing the costs halfway through the project. This "Trudeau" government is well on its way to beggaring the Canadian taxpayer with its sanctimonious ideals of solving all of the world's problems. The refugee problem will only cost us 1.2 billion over six years, that's like the long gun registry only costing a couple of million. Then we have the upcoming carbon tax that will be "revenue neutral" but those of us that don't believe in unicorn pharts and pixie dust know it will be paid by the final consumer, you guessed it , the Canadian Taxpayer. Enjoy the decline because we will never see the Canada that we were so proud to be part of after WWII again. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
drummindiver Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 The Liberals went into the campaign in third with Trudeau at the helm. It seems that it was more than his name that turned the tide. The reality is that the Liberals had the best platform. It won them the election. Funny then that the Libs are doing what the Cons promised. Quote
Smallc Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Funny then that the Libs are doing what the Cons promised. The Conservatives didn't promise 35,000 refugees. Quote
drummindiver Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 The Conservatives didn't promise 35,000 refugees. Noooo They promised ten k What the Liberals are delivering after promising 25k Quote
Smeelious Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Noooo They promised ten k What the Liberals are delivering after promising 25k That's a good point actually. I'd be curious to see what Conservative campaign promises the current government keeps. Or rather which Liberal promises turn into Conservative promises... Quote
Smallc Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Noooo They promised ten k What the Liberals are delivering after promising 25k The Conservatives promised 10K a year from now. By then the Liberal total is to be 35K. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 The Conservatives promised 10K a year from now. By then the Liberal total is to be 35K. I'd re-word that to read "The Conservatives promised 10K over the course of the next year" and 30,000 over three years. I'd also add that many of those 10K have already been vetted and are in the pipeline for arrival......and will no doubt be counted as part of Trudeau's 25,000. In the end it will be interesting to see how long it actually takes for those 35,000 Syrian refugees to actually show up in Canada. I think you'll find it will take much closer to the three years that were proposed by the Conservatives. We'll see how it all pans out. Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 The Conservatives promised 10K a year from now. By then the Liberal total is to be 35K. More expensive mouths to fill on an ongoing basis. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Noooo They promised ten k What the Liberals are delivering after promising 25k 25 k is still the promise, only the dates have changed. Quote
Smallc Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 I'd re-word that to read "The Conservatives promised 10K over the course of the next year" and 30,000 over three years. I'd also add that many of those 10K have already been vetted and are in the pipeline for arrival......and will no doubt be counted as part of Trudeau's 25,000. In the end it will be interesting to see how long it actually takes for those 35,000 Syrian refugees to actually show up in Canada. I think you'll find it will take much closer to the three years that were proposed by the Conservatives. We'll see how it all pans out. Why would the original total not be counted towards the total? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 Why would the original total not be counted towards the total? When the Liberals were defending their goal of 25,000 by December 31st (now Feb. 28th) - I did not hear them saying that as many as 10,000 had already been at least partially vetted by the Conservative-initiated process, did you? We were led to believe that these were 25,000 brand new refugees who had to be fully vetted for security and health. So....should they be counted towards the 35K total? Absolutely. Should they be counted towards the Liberal promise of 25,000 new refugees by December 31? Hey, it's politics man - so it will be. Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 It always should have been. They said they were going to bring over 25K. Everyone else had different numbers. Of course a higher number is going to include the lower number. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 It always should have been. They said they were going to bring over 25K. Everyone else had different numbers. Of course a higher number is going to include the lower number. But it wasn't - and now that it is, that should make the end-of-February date that much "easier" - right? Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted November 30, 2015 Report Posted November 30, 2015 But it wasn't - and now that it is, that should make the end-of-February date that much "easier" - right? How do you know that it wasn't? I'm not understanding your line of thought. The number was 25K total, not additional. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 How do you know that it wasn't? I'm not understanding your line of thought. The number was 25K total, not additional. Trudeau promised 25,000 additional government-sponsored refugees. The 10,000 in the works from the pre-election Conservative promise were almost entirely privately-sponsored. That's another element to the confusion and why they shouldn't really be counted as part of Trudeau's promise. But hey, if he can get most of those 25,000 into Canada by the end of February - I'll give him credit for moving the government machinery at warp speed. Are we on the same page now? Trudeau always knew that if he became prime minister he would have only two months to vet, transport and settle the 25,000 government-sponsored refugees he wanted to bring in. Link: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/26/justin-trudeaus-backtracking-on-refugee-promise-casts-shadow-over-other-pledges-walkom.html Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 And so the promise is 35,000 - 10,000 private and 25,000 government. Only the timeline has changed. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 And so the promise is 35,000 - 10,000 private and 25,000 government. Only the timeline has changed. I didn't say anything to the contrary. SmallC - you were much more pragmatic and factual before the election. What happened to that guy? Only time will tell how long it will take to re-settle 35,000 Syrians in Canada. McCallum has said a year - I'm betting it will be closer to two. Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Actually most of you were much more pragmatic. At this point many of you are jumping all over the place trying to stick something to a guy that hasn't even been in power for a month. It's expected that some promises will have to be amended or even broken. What he hadn't broken is the spirit of his campaign. Quote
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