caesar Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 Family 'heartbroken' – CARE director believed executed in IraqLast Updated Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:13:44 EST LONDON - British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says he now believes it is likely that kidnapped aid worker Margaret Hassan is dead. This makes no sense at all. She was an Iraqi citizen married to an Iraqi man for 30 years. I believe that I heard an appeal from some "terrorist" group demanding that she be released unharmed. Something just does not make sense. There may be more to this than we know. I just have a feeling that this is something other than terrorists killing a "western" hostage. Quote
theloniusfleabag Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 Dear caesar, I agree, this is heinous. As far as I can tell, her only crime was being born in Britain. This murder will not endear the perpetrators to anyone, 'insurgent or terrorist'. Only the US or the UK could stand to gain from this. Oddly, she was not beheaded like all the others. Another curious thing was that she was murdered after the 'video slaughterhouses' were captured. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
caesar Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Posted November 17, 2004 CARE International is suspending operations in Iraq because of Ms. Hassan's kidnapping. Patients of an Iraqi hospital (where her work had some effect) have taken to the streets in protest against the hostage takers' actions. On 25 October, between 100 and 200 Iraqis protested outside CARE's offices in Baghdad, demanding her release. Prominent elements of the Iraqi resistance, such as the the Shura Council of Fallujah Mujahedeen, have also condemned the kidnapping and called for her release.On 2 November, Al Jazeera reported that the kidnappers threatened to hand her over to the group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who were responsible for the murder of Kenneth Bigley. On 6 November, a statement purportedly from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi appeared on an Islamist website calling for the release of Ms. Hassan unless the kidnappers had information she was aligned with the invading coalition. However, the statement could not immediately be authenticated. Ms. Hassan's whereabouts are unknown. Who is responsible and why??? we may never know. Quote
kimmy Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 Only the US or the UK could stand to gain from this. I disagree, Fleabag. The insurgents seem to want to oppose rebuilding efforts. They have been attacking pipelines that would be key to restoring Iraq's economy. They've been attacking foreign workers who are participating in rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure. Attacking a humanitarian worker, and scaring off other humanitarian workers, doesn't seem unlikely to me. The theory seems to be that if they undermine rebuilding efforts, the general population will grow impatient with the lack of progress, and lose faith in the new government. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Black Dog Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 What I find very interresting is that Hassan's kidnapping was roundly condemmed in Iraqi society: the Fallujah mujahadeen demanded her release, as did Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Meanwhile, the videos differed markedly from similar ones that have percolated: no Islamic banners, no armed and hooded men. No declarations of jihad from the Qu'ran. Something's fishy here. Quote
kimmy Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 If what you guys are leading up to is that somebody must be trying to frame the Islamists for this murder... uh, don't you think they'd have done things to make it look like it? Some people believe the Americans went to elaborate steps to try to frame Islamists for the murder of Nick Berg. I'd think somebody wanting to try to blame Islamists for an unpopular murder would at least go to the trouble of wearing masks... -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
caesar Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Posted November 18, 2004 They wore hoods, I thought. It could be someone she knew personally, too????? Just doesn't help the Iraqi insurgents case. It has angered many Iraqis; they will pay a huge penalty if they are ever discovered, whomever did this foul act. Quote
maplesyrup Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 Do you remember what was found in the rented vehicle followed the September 11 attacks? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
caesar Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Posted November 18, 2004 I imagine many things were found; what are you refering to maple and how does it tie in????? Quote
kimmy Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 Do you remember what was found in the rented vehicle followed the September 11 attacks? What was it? If if was my jacket, please send me a private mail. I would like that back. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
maplesyrup Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 There was a rented vehicle found after the plane crashes on September 11 with some identification, plans, whatever, etc. A little bizarre for such a sophisticated group of killers, don't you think? I think it is reasonable to believe these documents were planted there, so there is no reason to not suspect something may be also unusual with Hassan's killing. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
caesar Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Posted November 18, 2004 A little bizarre for such a sophisticated group of killers, don't you think? No, The 9/11 group had no reason to attempt to hide their idenity. They were sending a message. The kidnappers and murderers of Mrs Hassan have a desperate need to hide their identy from the world and the "terrorist group" they "claim" to be acting on behalf of. This acts sends no clear message, It really makes no sense for killing her Quote
Argus Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 There was a rented vehicle found after the plane crashes on September 11 with some identification, plans, whatever, etc. A little bizarre for such a sophisticated group of killers, don't you think? Sophisticated? They were religious wackos from the desert who probably thought a flush toilet was a magic fountain. They visited strip clubs while in the US to get an idea of what their 72 virgins would look like when they died in glorious jihad. The only ones to compare them to are the deluded conspiracy theorists who somehow believe that you can have hundreds and even thousands of people involved in a nationwide conspiracy without word getting out. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
caesar Posted November 19, 2004 Author Report Posted November 19, 2004 Sophisticated? They were religious wackos from the desert who probably thought a flush toilet was a magic fountain. Your description of those people is just as unenlightened. They may have been brain washed by their religion but they were quite modern and living for some time in the USA. Most were quite well educated. While I completely condemn their methods; I believe they did it to bring attention to the plight of the Palestinian people and their rights to a homeland which were being ignored in favour of Israel. Both peoples rights to survive and live in a free hoemland should have been recognized. With the unwitting help of GW Bush (with his heavy handed one sided unfair actions) I think they did succeed in bringing the plight of the Palestinian people into focus Quote
kimmy Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 I think they did succeed in bringing the plight of the Palestinian people into focus Whaaaaaa? The September 11 attacks created no dialogue on the Paliestinian issue. The only focus on Palestinians on Sept 11 was the video of that stupid bitch dancing in the streets and handing out little cakes to all her celebrating friends. I don't think the Sept 11 attacks did anything to change US policy towards the Palestinians. The departure of Colin Powell will probably be a bigger factor for them than the 9/11 attacks were, as Bush will have one less voice of reason in his inner circle. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
maplesyrup Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 They were religious wackos from the desert who probably thought a flush toilet was a magic fountain. They visited strip clubs while in the US to get an idea of what their 72 virgins would look like when they died in glorious jihad. What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? /75 Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
kimmy Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? /75 Well, that's an excellent question, syrup. I think part of the answer is that North American bible-thumpers are less likely to blow up resorts, kidnap and behead humanitarian workers, and crash airliners full of people into skyscrapers full of people. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
maplesyrup Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 QUOTE (maplesyrup @ Nov 19 2004, 12:55 PM) What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? Well, that's an excellent question, syrup. I think part of the answer is that North American bible-thumpers are less likely to blow up resorts, kidnap and behead humanitarian workers, and crash airliners full of people into skyscrapers full of people. kimmy.....I see. So our North American bible thumpers are benign over there in Iraq just killing, what is it now, 100,000 Iraqis, torturing prisoners, shooting wounded soldiers. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
caesar Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Posted November 20, 2004 Well Kimmy; many of us now no longer blindly look at Israel as "one of us" I have become much more informed of issues and now realize that Israel is not the benign country but a instigator of abuses as much as any country in the middle east. Israel is not the vicitim we have been lead to believe; it is; with the help of the USA guilty of causing much hardship to the Palestinian people. Of course, it was Bush's insistence on invading Iraq despite the fat that the country was cooperating with the UN weapons inspectors that really got me taking a good look at reality. Quote
Argus Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 They were religious wackos from the desert who probably thought a flush toilet was a magic fountain. They visited strip clubs while in the US to get an idea of what their 72 virgins would look like when they died in glorious jihad. What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? /75 So far they haven't blown up any buildings, nor do they seem to have any inclination to do so. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 QUOTE (maplesyrup @ Nov 19 2004, 12:55 PM) What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? Well, that's an excellent question, syrup. I think part of the answer is that North American bible-thumpers are less likely to blow up resorts, kidnap and behead humanitarian workers, and crash airliners full of people into skyscrapers full of people. kimmy.....I see. So our North American bible thumpers are benign over there in Iraq just killing, what is it now, 100,000 Iraqis, torturing prisoners, shooting wounded soldiers. You said "our" bible thumpers. Now you're veering off to include American bible thumpers.First, that's dishonest. Second, the 100,000 figure has long been discredited and, in the minds of all fair individuals - discarded. Third, you seem unable to understand the difference between attacking military forces and attacking civilians. That is interesting in light of your claim to a superior morality. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 What is the difference between them and our own bible thumpers here? /75 ................................................................................ ...... So far they haven't blown up any buildings, nor do they seem to have any inclination to do so. I disagree: seen any photos from Fallujah lately. the 100,000 figure has long been discredited and, in the minds of all fair individuals - discarded. Says you. Any evidence to back this up? Quote
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