Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I think all campaigns are inherently dishonest. I fail to see why Trudeau deserves special mention here. But he's your shining, golden boy who is going to sweep in a new era of honesty and justice and openness! You're saying he's just another sleazy, lying, self-serving politician? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 But he's your shining, golden boy who is going to sweep in a new era of honesty and justice and openness! You're saying he's just another sleazy, lying, self-serving politician? No, but he is replacing one. Quote
Hydraboss Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 No, but he is replacing one. Yup. One Trudeau for another. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Yup. One Trudeau for another.I think you probably know who I am referring to. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 But he's your shining, golden boy who is going to sweep in a new era of honesty and justice and openness! You're saying he's just another sleazy, lying, self-serving politician? He's not my "shining golden boy". I have no particular party allegiance. I won't be voting Tory, it is true, but simply because I think the Tories need a few years in the wilderness to get new leadership and maybe excise the nastier elements in the leadership. I'm sure Trudeau will turn out to be a disappointment, perhaps not in the same way Harper has, but in his own way. That is the nature of government, and the best the voters can do is punish the incumbent and give someone else the reigns for a few years. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 Isn't it a bit early for all the bitterness? The Conservatives haven't even finished losing the election yet. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 It was difficult not to feel betrayed and abandoned by Prime Minister Harper. Mohamed Fahmy expresses his sentiments at being abandoned by this government. You have to wonder if the government would have pushed harder had he been white and had a Christian sounding name. Disgraceful. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Mohamed Fahmy expresses his sentiments at being abandoned by this government. You have to wonder if the government would have pushed harder had he been white and had a Christian sounding name. Disgraceful. If he was White he never would have been hired by Al Jazeera to work with the Muslim Brotherhood. He went to a police state in the midst of a revolution, on behalf of a station which clearly sided with the Muslim Brotherhood, and he got arrested. Big shocker. The Canadian government did all that it could reasonably be expected to have done on his behalf. More, probably, because of the publicity. As seems to be the tradition, he accepts none of the blame for his poor decisions, but instead seems to feel the Canadian government should have declared war on Egypt or something, on his behalf. Well, it doesn't work that way, you entitled little twerp. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Yup. One Trudeau for another. Like that line never gets old. I'm not my father, and JT isn't his. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 If he was White he never would have been hired by Al Jazeera to work with the Muslim Brotherhood. It never ceases to amaze me the types of statements that are made on MLW. You're a Conservative supporter, you say. Well, it doesn't work that way, you entitled little twerp. Maybe you should be a government spokes person. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hydraboss Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I sincerely doubt that JT is smart enough to be that crooked. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 You have to wonder if the government would have pushed harder had he been white and had a Christian sounding name. Sounds like you're the one blowing the dog whistle. The truth is, the Conservatives feel that everyone is on their own generally. It's part of their philosophy. But hey, he apparently loves Egypt, that bastion of democracy and freedom, since he can't wait to get his citizenship back. Quote
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Like that line never gets old. I'm not my father, and JT isn't his. In what way is he different? Style over substance in both of them. Lack of interest in balancing the budget in both of them. Fashionably left for both of them. Both are dishonest. Granted, the younger Trudeau isn't nearly as smart as his old man, but he does have better hair, which makes up for it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 If he was White he never would have been hired by Al Jazeera to work with the Muslim Brotherhood. He went to a police state in the midst of a revolution, on behalf of a station which clearly sided with the Muslim Brotherhood, and he got arrested. Big shocker. The Canadian government did all that it could reasonably be expected to have done on his behalf. More, probably, because of the publicity. As seems to be the tradition, he accepts none of the blame for his poor decisions, but instead seems to feel the Canadian government should have declared war on Egypt or something, on his behalf. Well, it doesn't work that way, you entitled little twerp. I'm not sure he'd want war declared on Egypt. He thinks it's a great place, apparently. Quote
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Sounds like you're the one blowing the dog whistle. The truth is, the Conservatives feel that everyone is on their own generally. It's part of their philosophy. The Liberals were even worse. The only cases that the government makes any effort on, or has ever made any effort on, are those that get into the press. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 In what way is he different? Style over substance in both of them. Sure. That's true of most politicians though. It's a personality that draws them to that. Lack of interest in balancing the budget in both of them. This Trudeau has committed to balancing the budget. Both are dishonest. As are...all human beings, to varying degrees. Harper can't really be on a pedestal on that point. Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 The Liberals were even worse. They may have been. The point is, it had nothing to do with his colour. Quote
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Sure. That's true of most politicians though. It's a personality that draws them to that. Not Harper. He has no style. The elder Trudeau had at least some substance to go with his style, and had spent years in cabinet before becoming PM. The younger Trudeau has two years as a high school drama teacher on his resume. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 They may have been. The point is, it had nothing to do with his colour. To the more brainless elements of the Left - and that's most of their representatives here - everything is about colour. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Not Harper. He has no style. The elder Trudeau had at least some substance to go with his style, and had spent years in cabinet before becoming PM. The younger Trudeau has two years as a high school drama teacher on his resume. That's why we have these things called Cabinets and the Civil Service. Government isn't supposed to be one person running the whole show. Quote
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 That's why we have these things called Cabinets and the Civil Service. Government isn't supposed to be one person running the whole show. Nothing about Trudeau that I've seen so far gives me any suspicion he will pay any attention to anyone who contradicts him when some bit of fanciful left wing policy catches his eye, any more than Dalton McGuinty did. Dalton was only going to run a deficit for a few short years, by the way. We're now in year ten of Liberal deficits. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Nothing about Trudeau that I've seen so far gives me any suspicion he will pay any attention to anyone who contradicts him when some bit of fanciful left wing policy catches his eye, any more than Dalton McGuinty did. Dalton was only going to run a deficit for a few short years, by the way. We're now in year ten of Liberal deficits. And I read him the exact opposite. He's no Harper, no matter how much you try to cast him in that light. Though it is fascinating that when you're guy is at the top of the heap, government by one man is just the bestest thing ever, but when it's someone else, OMG, THE SUN WILL EXPLODE! Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 In what way is he different? Style over substance in both of them. Lack of interest in balancing the budget in both of them. Fashionably left for both of them. Both are dishonest. Granted, the younger Trudeau isn't nearly as smart as his old man, but he does have better hair, which makes up for it. Good to see you have retained your sense of humour - even in the final days. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 And I read him the exact opposite. He's no Harper, no matter how much you try to cast him in that light. Though it is fascinating that when you're guy is at the top of the heap, government by one man is just the bestest thing ever, but when it's someone else, OMG, THE SUN WILL EXPLODE! If the other man was Mulcair I wouldn't be too concerned. Trudeau is not Mulcair or Harper. He's a junior teacher drafted by the Liberals because of his family name. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 If the other man was Mulcair I wouldn't be too concerned. I felt the same way at the beginning of the campaign. Now I'm not so sure about that. Mulcair isn't quite as smart as I gave him credit for. People have taken to Trudeau...people I'd never expect to. I'm actually starting to wonder how much the Liberals will win by. Quote
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