Which party is more left - Greens or the NDP?

[TimG]

Whether Harper's personal beliefs are driven by this fundamentalist biblical interpretation remain unknown because he refuses to discuss it.

Why does it matter where his beliefs come from and why should he have to talk about it? Your attempt to imply he has done anything wrong is pathetic propaganda. Perhaps, as a devout follower of the church of eco-fundamentalism, you should look in a mirror.

Care to tell me why Chretien's religious beliefs bother you and how they stack up?

Chretien is a devout Catholic and these beliefs probably affected many of his political opinions. But no one cared about that. These memes only get rolled out when someone needs to generate propoganda. Edited September 27, 2015 by TimG

[ReeferMadness]

Why does it matter where his beliefs come from and why should he have to talk about it?

Because religious leaders (mostly in the USA) who have religious views that come from a similar religious point of view have a habit of saying things that are positively scary. Fundamentalists believe that the end-times battle will start in Israel. If we have a PM with that point of view, we have a right to know.

Your attempt to imply he has done anything wrong is pathetic propaganda.

He's done plenty of things wrong. Those things have been documented in other threads - you can go look them up.

Perhaps, as a devout follower of the church of eco-fundamentalism, you should look in a mirror.

So, my views are informed by science. I know that's a scary thing to Harper and, apparently, to you. Were I a politician, I would be happy to discuss how my views relate to science and how it would inform my policy. I don't think it's asking to much for our imperious leader to discuss how his views are informed.

Chretien is a devout Catholic and these beliefs probably affected many of his political opinions. But no one cared about that. These memes only get rolled out when someone needs to generate propoganda.

Ooooohhhh. Poor Harper. Everyone picks on him.

First, that's not true. I knew that Chretien was a practicing Catholic and for me to know it, it must have been discussed in the news. I recall it being discussed that Chretien was personally opposed to abortion but he wouldn't let that interfere with his governments policies.

But more to the point, I know a few things about Catholics. They don't take literalist, fundamentalist views on the bible and how the world is expected to end. So your comparison is, unsurprisingly, shallow and specious. Thanks for playing.

[TimG]

Fundamentalists believe that the end-times battle will start in Israel. If we have a PM with that point of view, we have a right to know.

Your argument is basically 'there are people who like to kick puppies so you demand to know if the PM likes to kick puppies'. It is silly propaganda.

He's done plenty of things wrong.

Having a belief in a religion is not something wrong.

So, my views are informed by science.

ROTFL. You like to pretend that but they are really just a mishmash of irrational beliefs based on myths you have constructed from the teachings of your church. If your views were really 'informed by science' you would have a much more nuanced view of the issues.

I recall it being discussed that Chretien was personally opposed to abortion but he wouldn't let that interfere with his governments policies.

So. Why do you assume that Harper does not do the same?

They don't take literalist, fundamentalist views on the bible and how the world is expected to end.

And this is an uninformed stereotype created by people who want smear their political opponents instead of actually addressing the issues. Edited September 27, 2015 by TimG

[bush_cheney2004]

Because religious leaders (mostly in the USA) who have religious views that come from a similar religious point of view have a habit of saying things that are positively scary. Fundamentalists believe that the end-times battle will start in Israel. If we have a PM with that point of view, we have a right to know.

Because there are so few such religious leaders or televangelists / fundamentalists in Canada ? Google says there are plenty of them, eh ? I guess PM Harper only likes to watch the American versions to get his 'tea party' on, right ?

Edited September 27, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[On Guard for Thee]

Because religious leaders (mostly in the USA) who have religious views that come from a similar religious point of view have a habit of saying things that are positively scary. Fundamentalists believe that the end-times battle will start in Israel. If we have a PM with that point of view, we have a right to know.

A reminder of some of CAMA's points of view. And of course the whole thing came from an evangelical group in the US. No surprise there.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/03/26/Harper-Evangelical-Mission/

Edited September 27, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

[WIP]

That was true earlier on, but I don't think it is anymore. The Greens, as evidenced by their past two+ federal platforms, are more than a one issue party. They cover everything the NDP does.

But the Liberals and the NDP are shifting back and forth so much, I'm not sure which one's supposed to be the left party and which one's trying to be the centrists anymore.

Granted, the Green Party has filled out their platform a little better, but the "Sustainable Economy" plank is a little light on details. It comes across as a greener version of what we're doing now. There's nothing as bold as the Green Party USA's embrace of Steady State or Degrowth. The simple fact is that continued economic growth cannot made sustainable, and any carbon reductions will be quickly overtaken by expanded economic growth and related increased energy and resource use.

[angrypenguin]

The Greens are far more left.