The_Squid Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I wonder if we can expect charges to be laid against Khadr's torturers at some point as well? Perhaps once there is a change in government, this will be accomplished. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/maher-arar-rendition-development-rcmp-1.3211088 RCMP have laid a charge in absentia against a Syrian intelligence officer accused of torturing Syrian-born Canadian Maher Arar, the first-ever charge of its kind in Canada. Arar's lawyer, Paul Champ, said in Ottawa today that RCMP will attempt to extradite Col. George Salloum to Canada to face a charge of torture, which RCMP later confirmed. A Canada-wide warrant and Interpol notice have been issued for his arrest. It is good to see at least a symbolic effort to bring some of the despots to justice who commit these acts. Quote
Topaz Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 What happen with the US, who sent him over there to be tortured? Quote
The_Squid Posted September 1, 2015 Author Report Posted September 1, 2015 What happen with the US, who sent him over there to be tortured? Canada also sent him to be tortured... He will have to sue the U.S. gov't for compensation, I guess. But that's a different topic. Will the RCMP issue a warrant for Khadr's American torturers? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) What happen with the US, who sent him over there to be tortured? Nothing....Arar was not tortured in the first place. He was a deserter from mandatory Syrian military service and suffered the same fate as any perp incarcerated in Syria. If he ever tries to enter the U.S. again, we will deport him right back to Syria ! Edited September 1, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Posted September 2, 2015 Nothing....Arar was not tortured in the first place. He was a deserter from mandatory Syrian military service and suffered the same fate as any perp incarcerated in Syria. If he ever tries to enter the U.S. again, we will deport him right back to Syria ! It took the RCMP 10 years to lay charges in the Arar case. It might be a few years, but there could very well be charges in the Khadr case. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 It took the RCMP 10 years to lay charges in the Arar case. It might be a few years, but there could very well be charges in the Khadr case. Maybe, but the charges are "in absentia". Ten years sounds about right...that's the about the tenure of an established Canadian PM. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe, but the charges are "in absentia". Ten years sounds about right...that's the about the tenure of an established Canadian PM. Of course they are.... He's a Syrian. Did you expect him to be in Scarborough? The charges may be purely symbolic, since there is probably no way to find and bring the perp to Canada for trial... But the torturers in the USA might be a different matter in the Khadr case. They could be extradited. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 ....But the torturers in the USA might be a different matter in the Khadr case. They could be extradited. Different topic...Khadr is a convicted murderer and war criminal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Posted September 2, 2015 Different topic...Khadr is a convicted murderer and war criminal. As if that makes torture legal.... his "conviction" has no bearing on whether crimes were committed against him. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Different topic...Khadr is a convicted murderer and war criminal. In a bogus court. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Posted September 2, 2015 In a bogus court. Even if it's upheld, it doesn't matter. Torture is illegal regardless of the victim's legal status. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 As if that makes torture legal.... his "conviction" has no bearing on whether crimes were committed against him. The on topic relevance is any attempt to charge and extradite from the USA. Sometimes nobody gives a damn. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Topaz Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 I thought he flew in to New York and its there he was stopped and sent oversea? Wrong? Quote
The_Squid Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Posted September 2, 2015 I thought he flew in to New York and its there he was stopped and sent oversea? Wrong? True. The RCMP were the ones to provide erroneous (false, lies, untruths...) information that led to his detainment, deportation and torture. Hence the Canadian government's apology and payment. Plus the Commission of Inquiry. Copy/paste from the report: http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/206/301/pco-bcp/commissions/maher_arar/07-09-13/www.ararcommission.ca/eng/AR_English.pdf • The RCMP provided American authorities with information, including the entire database from the aforementioned terrorism investigation, in ways that did not comply with RCMP policies requiring screening for relevance, reliability and personal information. Some of the information related to Mr. Arar. • The RCMP provided American authorities with information about Mr. Arar that was inaccurate, portrayed him in an unfairly negative fashion and overstated his importance in the RCMP investigation. • The RCMP provided American authorities with information about Mr. Arar without attaching written caveats,2 as required by RCMP policy, thereby increasing the risk that the information would be used for purposes of which the RCMP would not approve, such as sending Mr. Arar to Syria. • The RCMP requested that American authorities place lookouts for Mr. Arar and his wife, Monia Mazigh, in U.S. Customs’ Treasury Enforcement Communications System (TECS). In the request, to which no caveats were attached, the RCMP described Mr. Arar and Dr, Mazigh as “Islamic Extremist individuals suspected of being linked to the Al Qaeda terrorist movement.”3 The RCMP had no basis for this description, which had the potential to create serious consequences for Mr. Arar in light of American attitudes and practices at the time. • Project A-O Canada was the front-line investigative unit in the RCMP that conducted the investigation in which Mr. Arar was a person of interest, and it was that unit that provided information about Mr. Arar to American agencies. The RCMP, as an institution, gave Project A-O Canada unclear and, in some instances, misleading direction concerning the manner in which information should be shared, and failed to properly oversee the Project’s investigation, including its information-sharing practices. Quote
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